Quick question about scouting/ratings

Centre · 06-27-2011, 09:32 PM

I'm a little confused about the rating system and how scouting works.

As you can see in the first picture, Seay is rated as 61 overall and 61 potential. But on the scouting reports screen, my scouting director gives him 42/42 and the numbers from last year are also different from 61/61.

Where does the 61/61 number even come from? If my scouting director thinks he's 42/42, why doesn't that show on his profile?

I'm used to Football Manager scouting. Have no clue what's going on here!

Centre · 06-30-2011, 11:53 PM

I feel bad for bumping this, but I'm still confused.

My scouting director just rated my first round draft pick a 80 potential when I was drafting him, and then after he signed with me, he was rated a 21 potential.

I'm obviously missing something here, and I don't know what it is.

Centre · 07-27-2011, 05:25 PM

One last try.

RonCo · 07-27-2011, 06:22 PM

Good luck

Seriously, I love the idea of a good scouting algorithm, but they'll almost certainly not end up working like you think they should. It's just as good to turn scouts off, but use a 1-10 or 2-8 scale for ratings (and talent changes at least at default, or higher to taste). That way you still get a nice "fog of war" and you don't have to deal with all the strangeness of the scouting algorithms.

RonCo · 07-27-2011, 06:23 PM

Of course, that means you have to do just a little more imagining, but for a guy playing a fake baseball game that really should be kinda fun.

*

* That last is, of course, just my snarky opinion. Your point of view might vary and be very legitimate, too, though it isn't mine, nor perhaps is it very snarky.

Centre · 07-27-2011, 08:43 PM

Turned off scouting. One of my top prospects had an 80 potential rating. The new season started and all of a sudden he has a 21 rating. Turn scouting back on with very high accuracy and he has a 71 rating.

GiantYankee · 07-27-2011, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Centre

Turned off scouting. One of my top prospects had an 80 potential rating. The new season started and all of a sudden he has a 21 rating. Turn scouting back on with very high accuracy and he has a 71 rating.

Take a look at the links in post #4:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ame-scout.html

Centre · 07-27-2011, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GiantYankee

Take a look at the links in post #4:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ame-scout.html

Thanks. Got some reading to do, I suppose.

Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 07-28-2011, 12:54 AM

I was looking for the answer to this myself, and came across this page:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ng-please.html

In which Markus says:

Quote:

The reason is rather simple: On the scouting page, you see the stars the way there were at the time the scouting report was issued, using the player position the scout thinks the player should be. On the profile it is the current position that's used.

In this case, on 4/16/2010 the scout rates the guy being a 1.5 star starting pitcher compared to league average. On the profile though, the current position is used, which is relief pitcher, and in the meantime the league average (ratings are always relative to this) probably has changed a bit, hence the different potential rating (which still applies to SP since this is what the scout thinks the pitcher will eventually be).

I'm assuming the situation is the same in OOTP 12 as in OOTP 10.

mrking81012 · 08-11-2011, 08:08 PM

So basically the feeling is right now, looking at all those topics, that

1. BBN/OSA/BA/Scouting Director Top 100 are different sources

2.Someone's current and potential rating doesn't change necessarily, instead, adjusts to the competition in the league. As well as position the players is at. Of course, the player can improve his abilities as well.

3. Discussion on whether this is all implemented correctly

4. Scouts can disagree with each on what position a player should be at, thus changing the ratings

Am I right? Or no?

hluraven · 08-15-2011, 05:18 AM

1. Yes, the Top-100, Scouting director and OSA are three different sources and will show different results

2. I think this depends on your options under global set-up. But yes, it is possible the player can change, or that the ratings you see can change even when the player doesn't

3. Always lots of discussion

4. AFAIK, all scouting reports will show the player at the position he is current set to - but past scouting reports could show a report from a different position if this has changed. This happens a lot with young pitchers drafted as MR, changed to SP in the minors, and returned to MR in the majors.

06-27-2011, 09:32 PM	#1
Centre Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 27	Quick question about scouting/ratings I'm a little confused about the rating system and how scouting works. As you can see in the first picture, Seay is rated as 61 overall and 61 potential. But on the scouting reports screen, my scouting director gives him 42/42 and the numbers from last year are also different from 61/61. Where does the 61/61 number even come from? If my scouting director thinks he's 42/42, why doesn't that show on his profile? I'm used to Football Manager scouting. Have no clue what's going on here!

08-11-2011, 08:08 PM	#10
mrking81012 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 68	So basically the feeling is right now, looking at all those topics, that 1. BBN/OSA/BA/Scouting Director Top 100 are different sources 2.Someone's current and potential rating doesn't change necessarily, instead, adjusts to the competition in the league. As well as position the players is at. Of course, the player can improve his abilities as well. 3. Discussion on whether this is all implemented correctly 4. Scouts can disagree with each on what position a player should be at, thus changing the ratings Am I right? Or no? Last edited by mrking81012; 08-11-2011 at 08:13 PM.

06-30-2011, 11:53 PM	#2
Centre Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 27	I feel bad for bumping this, but I'm still confused. My scouting director just rated my first round draft pick a 80 potential when I was drafting him, and then after he signed with me, he was rated a 21 potential. I'm obviously missing something here, and I don't know what it is.

07-27-2011, 05:25 PM	#3
Centre Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 27	One last try.

07-27-2011, 06:22 PM	#4
RonCo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 10,506	Good luck Seriously, I love the idea of a good scouting algorithm, but they'll almost certainly not end up working like you think they should. It's just as good to turn scouts off, but use a 1-10 or 2-8 scale for ratings (and talent changes at least at default, or higher to taste). That way you still get a nice "fog of war" and you don't have to deal with all the strangeness of the scouting algorithms. Last edited by RonCo; 07-27-2011 at 09:33 PM.

07-27-2011, 06:23 PM	#5
RonCo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 10,506	Of course, that means you have to do just a little more imagining, but for a guy playing a fake baseball game that really should be kinda fun. * * That last is, of course, just my snarky opinion. Your point of view might vary and be very legitimate, too, though it isn't mine, nor perhaps is it very snarky.

07-27-2011, 08:43 PM	#6
Centre Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 27	Turned off scouting. One of my top prospects had an 80 potential rating. The new season started and all of a sudden he has a 21 rating. Turn scouting back on with very high accuracy and he has a 71 rating.

08-15-2011, 05:18 AM	#11
hluraven Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: London, England Posts: 357	1. Yes, the Top-100, Scouting director and OSA are three different sources and will show different results 2. I think this depends on your options under global set-up. But yes, it is possible the player can change, or that the ratings you see can change even when the player doesn't 3. Always lots of discussion 4. AFAIK, all scouting reports will show the player at the position he is current set to - but past scouting reports could show a report from a different position if this has changed. This happens a lot with young pitchers drafted as MR, changed to SP in the minors, and returned to MR in the majors.