eye/ Discipline vs. Avoid strikeouts

PSUColonel · 01-30-2011, 07:10 PM

Shouldn't a players "eye/Discipline" rating determine on it's own how well a player can avoid strikeouts? Why the need for "avoid strikeouts" as a rating?

Afino · 01-30-2011, 07:16 PM

Two words: Adam Dunn.

snepp · 01-30-2011, 07:17 PM

How would you account for the various player types, high walk / high k, high walk / low k, low walk / high k, low walk / low k, with just a single rating?

Adam Dunn, Albert Pujols, Alfonso Soriano, Placido Polanco.

Masenko · 01-30-2011, 07:56 PM

Eye: the ability of the hitter to discern between balls and strikes; strikezone judgement.

Avoid K's: the ability of the hitter to make contact (of any quality) with the ball once he decides to swing; hand-eye coordination.

PSUColonel · 01-30-2011, 08:15 PM

good answers

tejdog1 · 01-31-2011, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afino

Two words: Adam Dunn.

Two more: David Eckstein

RonCo · 01-31-2011, 07:47 AM

It's a problem based on old design techniques, a desire to have an actual rating for batting average (which is really not needed, it turns out), and the desire to latch ratings to common english terms. In a more ideal world: Eye/Discipline = knowledge of the strike zone (walks), Contact = Number of Balls in Play (avoid K), and BABIP (well, BABIP) ... and the three, along with Power (Home Runs), would merge to result in batting average. But for several reasons it doesn't work quite like that. I think, anyway. It's always possible V11 fundamentally changed this and I'm just out of it.

01-30-2011, 07:10 PM	#1
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,106	eye/ Discipline vs. Avoid strikeouts Shouldn't a players "eye/Discipline" rating determine on it's own how well a player can avoid strikeouts? Why the need for "avoid strikeouts" as a rating?

01-30-2011, 07:16 PM	#2
Afino Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,828	Two words: Adam Dunn. __________________ GUBA: Moscow Enforcers

01-30-2011, 07:17 PM	#3
snepp All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,496	How would you account for the various player types, high walk / high k, high walk / low k, low walk / high k, low walk / low k, with just a single rating? Adam Dunn, Albert Pujols, Alfonso Soriano, Placido Polanco.

01-30-2011, 07:56 PM	#4
Masenko Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 24	Eye: the ability of the hitter to discern between balls and strikes; strikezone judgement. Avoid K's: the ability of the hitter to make contact (of any quality) with the ball once he decides to swing; hand-eye coordination.

01-30-2011, 08:15 PM	#5
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,106	good answers

01-31-2011, 07:47 AM	#7
RonCo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 10,396	It's a problem based on old design techniques, a desire to have an actual rating for batting average (which is really not needed, it turns out), and the desire to latch ratings to common english terms. In a more ideal world: Eye/Discipline = knowledge of the strike zone (walks), Contact = Number of Balls in Play (avoid K), and BABIP (well, BABIP) ... and the three, along with Power (Home Runs), would merge to result in batting average. But for several reasons it doesn't work quite like that. I think, anyway. It's always possible V11 fundamentally changed this and I'm just out of it.