bummer - 1 arm catcher in extra innings

SoCal Doug · 10-07-2010, 10:58 PM

hehe That would be a catcher with a 1 rated arm I am referring to.

Had an extra inning game with me playing vs the AI.
My opponent only had two catchers and in extra innings I had to do a double take when I saw that the catcher had a 1 arm.

I thought maybe it was because something had happened.
But although the starting catcher was indeed out of the game, the backup was playing First base!

I don't have enough details to try and report it as something to be looked at, but it would seem that of all things the AI should always, if possible, keep the integrity of the catcher position during a game. I felt awfully bad with the steal I got off the guy that ended up being the game winning run!

SoCal Doug

bwburke94 · 10-08-2010, 12:41 PM

It's a well known issue that the AI doesn't move a player to another position during the game. This is not going to be fixed anytime soon.

BusterKing · 10-08-2010, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bwburke94

It's a well known issue that the AI doesn't move a player to another position during the game. This is not going to be fixed anytime soon.

Oh come on, there's no such thing as Legacy Bugs..... LOL

They always say they can't replicate the errors so they're not bugs, therefore no legacy there. Convenient, I know. Lets move on to the next version, all is fixed now.

SteveP · 10-08-2010, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bwburke94

It's a well known issue that the AI doesn't move a player to another position during the game.

I don't understand this. Please clarify. The AI moves players from one position to another in conjunction with a fielding substitution (e.g., after a PH) all the time. OTOH, it doesn't always do it when it should. It also doesn't do a very good job (still) of keeping the backup catcher available.

Sabermetric Baseball · 10-08-2010, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveP

I don't understand this. Please clarify. The AI moves players from one position to another in conjunction with a fielding substitution (e.g., after a PH) all the time. OTOH, it doesn't always do it when it should. It also doesn't do a very good job (still) of keeping the backup catcher available.

I think what he's saying is this....

If the backup C was already playing another position (i.e. started at 1B or came into play 1B earlier in the game) - if the starting C is later taken out of the game, the AI will just substitute the most capable C currently on the bench. This happens all the time.

Logically, you'd expect the backup C would move from 1B to C, and then the bench player would go to 1B. What this boils down to is the AI isn't fielding the best defensive alignment possible.

I'm not sure this is really a bug. Lots of real life teams carry a "secondary backup C" who sees lots of innings as a catcher. In-game defensive changes involving a C are also fairly rare in real life. Very reasonable to suggest the manager just left the primary backup at 1B since that's where they were already playing.

If there's any problem, it might be that a C with a 1-arm is viewed as a legitimate catcher.

SteveP · 10-08-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sabermetric Baseball

What this boils down to is the AI isn't fielding the best defensive alignment possible..

Yes, that is true. Also, I suspect that this is not likely to change in the foreseeable future. It's probably a very difficult programming problem.

kingcharlesxii · 10-08-2010, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveP

Yes, that is true. Also, I suspect that this is not likely to change in the foreseeable future. It's probably a very difficult programming problem.

It might be or it might not (you just have to consider the guys on the field in addition to the guys on the bench). Still should be in the bug database if it isn't already.

lt2cents · 10-08-2010, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveP

Yes, that is true. Also, I suspect that this is not likely to change in the foreseeable future. It's probably a very difficult programming problem.

Why difficult? (compared to other AI already in the program)-- at this point it doesn't involve looking at the bench or making other substitutions-- it is adjusting the 8 fielders to make the strongest defensive alignment, swapping their defensive placement, not even the batting lineup.

It is not just weak catchers. It is 1 rated CF or 1 rated SS when a wing outfielder or another infielder would do better at the critical defensive position.

While you can argue about weakening one position to strengthen another, it is pretty clear that almost every manager would always put noticeably better fielders in certain positions at the expense of say LF or 1B. The AI should too.

10-07-2010, 10:58 PM	#1
SoCal Doug Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 42	bummer - 1 arm catcher in extra innings hehe That would be a catcher with a 1 rated arm I am referring to. Had an extra inning game with me playing vs the AI. My opponent only had two catchers and in extra innings I had to do a double take when I saw that the catcher had a 1 arm. I thought maybe it was because something had happened. But although the starting catcher was indeed out of the game, the backup was playing First base! I don't have enough details to try and report it as something to be looked at, but it would seem that of all things the AI should always, if possible, keep the integrity of the catcher position during a game. I felt awfully bad with the steal I got off the guy that ended up being the game winning run! SoCal Doug

10-08-2010, 12:41 PM	#2
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,523	It's a well known issue that the AI doesn't move a player to another position during the game. This is not going to be fixed anytime soon.