Not sure the runner should ever tag up in this situation

robc · 08-15-2010, 07:10 PM

Top of the 9th, visitors down by 3, 0 out
Map on 3B
Line drive to 89M
Runner tags and thrown out at home.

There is no reason the runner should ever try to tag up. The run means nothing.

Is this something I should open a ticket on?

edm · 08-15-2010, 07:35 PM

Where is 89m?

SteveP · 08-15-2010, 07:38 PM

How was the guy rated for baserunning instincts and speed?

robc · 08-16-2010, 12:08 AM

instincts 55
speed 75
I think 89M is a medium depth location between center and right field.

In my opinion, the guy on 3B shouldn't even try to tag up even if he is a speed demon. Him scoring means nothing, but him getting thrown out takes his team out of the game. I don't watch baseball anymore so I don't really know if anyone tags up in this situation.

SteveP · 08-16-2010, 12:16 AM

So have your bench coach talk to him, and if he screws up again, send him back down to AAA for some more coaching. OTOH, everyone deserves a second chance.

Left-handed Badger · 08-16-2010, 12:44 AM

Well, if it is Johnny Damon that caught the ball, it would be ok to tag up.

phenom · 08-16-2010, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Left-handed Badger

Well, if it is Johnny Damon that caught the ball, it would be ok to tag up.

Obviously it wasn't Johnny Damon - the runner got thrown out.

damientheomen3 · 08-16-2010, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Left-handed Badger

Well, if it is Johnny Damon that caught the ball, it would be ok to tag up.

If the runner was on first, it would have been okay to run around all the way to home, if Johnny Damon caught the ball.

Curtis · 08-16-2010, 05:21 PM

I don't suppose the runner on third had a really poor Baserunning rating? This sort of situation is what that is supposed to represent. Think Angel Pagan c.2009.

SteveP · 08-16-2010, 05:37 PM

I just had two guys score successfully on FOs hit to Med OF range. OTOH, guys get thrown out sometimes, just like they do trying to stretch singles into doubles, or trying to get from 1B to 3B on marginal singles. Lot of variables involved.

Now trying to score on a FO hit to Short OF range would certainly raise some questions.

I'm more puzzled about the fact that I have seen guys not try to score on FOs hit deep. I've seen this more than once. Don't recall ever seeing this before v.11, but I don't think it's a bug. Still ...

robc · 08-16-2010, 06:13 PM

My only gripe is the timing of the attempt:
top of the 9th
visitor losing
runner at 3B doesn't represent tieing or winning run

In any other inning the attempt may well be worth it. In the above scenario I don't think I would ever send the runner because there is no benefit to it and only possible harm. Heck a fast runner could stumble and get thrown out.

I believe the game should look at this situation and never tag up (or extremely rarely if the game wants to model an occaisional mental error). Maybe this was the case in my game?

SteveP · 08-16-2010, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by robc

(or extremely rarely if the game wants to model an occaisional mental error).

Why "extremely rarely"? I suspect that the number of mental errors by a team is probably somewhere around a one-to-one ratio with number of games played.

In any event, we haven't checked your setting in the baserunning slider. Maybe you've got it more aggressive than you really want. If the guy was playing on an AI team, maybe you need to look at that team's strategy page.

OregonBeavers · 08-20-2010, 01:09 PM

I can see this happening in poor baserunning rating and being realistic.

Watch Tori Hunter of Angel try to steal with no outs, 9th inning, Angels down by two or three a few nights back, he was thrown out by a mile Classic bonehead play I've seen in a long time. I'm sure Mike Scioscia tore him a new hinny in the clubhouse. Sometimes player do stupid things for greedy reason or just because they are not too bright :P.

bailey · 08-20-2010, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by robc

Is this something I should open a ticket on?

Yes, I think a ticket should be opened. Baserunning in 9th inning is a little different than innings 1-8, but I don't think OOTP changes for that situation.
Similarly, I've seen the runner get thrown out at home trying to score from 2B on a single.

08-15-2010, 07:10 PM	#1
robc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,095	Not sure the runner should ever tag up in this situation Top of the 9th, visitors down by 3, 0 out Map on 3B Line drive to 89M Runner tags and thrown out at home. There is no reason the runner should ever try to tag up. The run means nothing. Is this something I should open a ticket on?

08-16-2010, 12:44 AM	#6
Left-handed Badger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: at the altar of the baseball god praying for middle infield that can catch the ball Posts: 2,036	Well, if it is Johnny Damon that caught the ball, it would be ok to tag up. __________________ -Left-handed groundball specialist -Strikeouts are for wimps

08-15-2010, 07:35 PM	#2
edm All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 1,999	Where is 89m?

08-15-2010, 07:38 PM	#3
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,109	How was the guy rated for baserunning instincts and speed?

08-16-2010, 12:08 AM	#4
robc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,095	instincts 55 speed 75 I think 89M is a medium depth location between center and right field. In my opinion, the guy on 3B shouldn't even try to tag up even if he is a speed demon. Him scoring means nothing, but him getting thrown out takes his team out of the game. I don't watch baseball anymore so I don't really know if anyone tags up in this situation.

08-16-2010, 12:16 AM	#5
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,109	So have your bench coach talk to him, and if he screws up again, send him back down to AAA for some more coaching. OTOH, everyone deserves a second chance.

08-16-2010, 05:21 PM	#9
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 4,567	I don't suppose the runner on third had a really poor Baserunning rating? This sort of situation is what that is supposed to represent. Think Angel Pagan c.2009.

08-16-2010, 05:37 PM	#10
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,109	I just had two guys score successfully on FOs hit to Med OF range. OTOH, guys get thrown out sometimes, just like they do trying to stretch singles into doubles, or trying to get from 1B to 3B on marginal singles. Lot of variables involved. Now trying to score on a FO hit to Short OF range would certainly raise some questions. I'm more puzzled about the fact that I have seen guys not try to score on FOs hit deep. I've seen this more than once. Don't recall ever seeing this before v.11, but I don't think it's a bug. Still ...

08-16-2010, 06:13 PM	#11
robc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,095	My only gripe is the timing of the attempt: top of the 9th visitor losing runner at 3B doesn't represent tieing or winning run In any other inning the attempt may well be worth it. In the above scenario I don't think I would ever send the runner because there is no benefit to it and only possible harm. Heck a fast runner could stumble and get thrown out. I believe the game should look at this situation and never tag up (or extremely rarely if the game wants to model an occaisional mental error). Maybe this was the case in my game?

08-20-2010, 01:09 PM	#13
OregonBeavers Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 7	I can see this happening in poor baserunning rating and being realistic. Watch Tori Hunter of Angel try to steal with no outs, 9th inning, Angels down by two or three a few nights back, he was thrown out by a mile Classic bonehead play I've seen in a long time. I'm sure Mike Scioscia tore him a new hinny in the clubhouse. Sometimes player do stupid things for greedy reason or just because they are not too bright :P.