Easy way to avoid steroid era?

edm · 08-12-2010, 03:39 AM

I am starting a league from 1989 to present. Is there an easy way to avoid players like Sosa, Mcgwire, etc. from hitting 60-70 home runs through the 90's, without messing with the modifiers every season, or editing players?

Would simply unchecking the "Automatically adjust league totals modifiers after each season for historical accuracy" option work? or would that mess up stats even more?

Thanks for any help

Bluenoser · 08-12-2010, 05:08 AM

Steroid Era is not built into the game. If you're getting a high number of HR's, then you'll likely have to adjust modifiers.

Malleus Dei · 08-12-2010, 09:12 AM

The easiest way would be to edit all the known cheaters.

TribeFanInNC · 08-12-2010, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by edm

I am starting a league from 1989 to present. Is there an easy way to avoid players like Sosa, Mcgwire, etc. from hitting 60-70 home runs through the 90's, without messing with the modifiers every season, or editing players?

Would simply unchecking the "Automatically adjust league totals modifiers after each season for historical accuracy" option work? or would that mess up stats even more?

Thanks for any help

Yep, you are right IIRC. Unchecking that should keep the league totals at 1989 levels going forward. Now, that doesn't 100% stop players from hitting 60 HRs because it is controlling league totals not individuals. But in general that should avoid a steroid era.

I've done this in fictional leagues to model historic eras. I think it works the same way in historical leagues.

ashantewarrier · 08-12-2010, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

The easiest way would be to edit all the known cheaters.

We know about A-Rod, Ortiz and Manny from that 2003 list of 100+ positive users. What about the 100 other unknowns who are on the 2003 list?

Tram2Whitaker · 08-12-2010, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ashantewarrier

We know about A-Rod, Ortiz and Manny from that 2003 list of 100+ positive users. What about the 100 other unknowns who are on the 2003 list?

It should be noted that there were cheaters that have either been caught, or confessed, that nobody would've figured. Such as Benji Gil admitted using steroids and amassed all of 4 HRs in a season. Alex Sanchez, whose preferred method of hitting was the bunt and run was caught, 3 times. (tried the I don't know what's in my suppliments cuz I speak only spanish excuse)

Then one also has to wonder about Gabe Kapler. This dude was a professional body-builder first, baseball player second. Whatever the cultural norm would've been in the body building community, would've superceded the cultural norm for baseball players.

Malleus Dei · 08-12-2010, 01:10 PM

It's not reasonable to assume that everybody cheated.

fhomess · 08-12-2010, 04:11 PM

Whether you agree or disagree with the conclusions of this article, it's an interesting read:
Steroids, Other "Drugs", and Baseball

SteveP · 08-12-2010, 04:28 PM

As commissioner of my own solo league, I'm frustrated about what to do in the case of guys who weren't sluggers IRL, but who get a lot of HRs in my league. I haven't been able to find the option that I could use to force them to get tested. AFAIK, Markus did not get this into the game design. I really have to wonder what good it does to be commissioner, and not the have to ability to do something about drug use in my own league.

Dan Kalvoski · 08-12-2010, 10:45 PM

The game in the Steroid Era was played in hitter-friendly ballparks, with lots of pitchers who threw hard (and whose stats are going to say they give up HR fairly consistently) off of a low mound, with big hitters (even the clean ones) with whip-action bats and uppercut swings. For several of those years, the strike zone was the size of a rural route mailbox.
To counteract those factors, I would think overcompensating while adjusting the modifiers in the first season, turning off auto-readjust-for-historical and probably turning the stats down at least one more time would be in order.
If you just want to take roids out of the game, turn down the HR modifier by 15 percent and live with the homers.

ashantewarrier · 08-13-2010, 12:01 AM

A few years ago Seiiven released a mod that tampered down effects of the steroid error...I mean era!

You can find it here:
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...t-edition.html

Attached is Seiiven's file as well. Please make sure you back up your default era_stats.txt file before using.

iggyhood · 08-13-2010, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tram2Whitaker

It should be noted that there were cheaters that have either been caught, or confessed, that nobody would've figured. Such as Benji Gil admitted using steroids and amassed all of 4 HRs in a season. Alex Sanchez, whose preferred method of hitting was the bunt and run was caught, 3 times. (tried the I don't know what's in my suppliments cuz I speak only spanish excuse)

Then one also has to wonder about Gabe Kapler. This dude was a professional body-builder first, baseball player second. Whatever the cultural norm would've been in the body building community, would've superceded the cultural norm for baseball players.

Wow - imagine what the drop off in Benji Gil's performance would have been like without taking steroids.....errr....on second thoughts.......who would have noticed??!

falkonisback · 08-13-2010, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by iggyhood

Wow - imagine what the drop off in Benji Gil's performance would have been like without taking steroids.....errr....on second thoughts.......who would have noticed??!

Yeah, being that he did take steroids, it probably doubled his homerun total for that season. He probably would have only hit 2 instead of a ridiculous 4!!!

Killing Time · 08-13-2010, 07:45 PM

The easiest way to avoid the steroid era? Play fictional.

08-12-2010, 03:39 AM	#1
edm All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 1,999	Easy way to avoid steroid era? I am starting a league from 1989 to present. Is there an easy way to avoid players like Sosa, Mcgwire, etc. from hitting 60-70 home runs through the 90's, without messing with the modifiers every season, or editing players? Would simply unchecking the "Automatically adjust league totals modifiers after each season for historical accuracy" option work? or would that mess up stats even more? Thanks for any help

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fhomess Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,649	Whether you agree or disagree with the conclusions of this article, it's an interesting read: Steroids, Other "Drugs", and Baseball __________________ StatsLab- PHP/MySQL based utilities for Online Leagues Baseball Cards - Full list of known templates and documentation on card development.

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Dan Kalvoski Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: In Red Sox Nation Posts: 131	The game in the Steroid Era was played in hitter-friendly ballparks, with lots of pitchers who threw hard (and whose stats are going to say they give up HR fairly consistently) off of a low mound, with big hitters (even the clean ones) with whip-action bats and uppercut swings. For several of those years, the strike zone was the size of a rural route mailbox. To counteract those factors, I would think overcompensating while adjusting the modifiers in the first season, turning off auto-readjust-for-historical and probably turning the stats down at least one more time would be in order. If you just want to take roids out of the game, turn down the HR modifier by 15 percent and live with the homers. __________________ Chief gag writer, Dr. Tongue's 3-D House of Clones dynasty.

08-12-2010, 05:08 AM	#2
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,209	Steroid Era is not built into the game. If you're getting a high number of HR's, then you'll likely have to adjust modifiers.

08-12-2010, 04:28 PM	#9
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,109	As commissioner of my own solo league, I'm frustrated about what to do in the case of guys who weren't sluggers IRL, but who get a lot of HRs in my league. I haven't been able to find the option that I could use to force them to get tested. AFAIK, Markus did not get this into the game design. I really have to wonder what good it does to be commissioner, and not the have to ability to do something about drug use in my own league.