Setting Up Custom Historical Teams

[Joy in Mudville]

Two questions: What's the easiest way to set up a historical league with the following situations?

1. How do I set up a league with my favorite teams such as the '80 Royals, '82 Brewers, '84 Tigers, etc.?

2. How do I set up teams with the players I want on their rosters such as a '57 Hank Aaron in right, a '56 Mickey Mantle in center and an '82 Rickey Henderson in left?

Thanks.

[pstrickert]

1. See this section of the manual: OOTP Baseball Manual - League Structure Editor

2. The AI should make most of these assignments properly.

[Joy in Mudville]

Thanks for your help!

[skunkle333]

Thanks for the thread Joy in Mudville...

Similar to something I have been trying to do. Thanks for the tip PStrickert.

Just printed it out. I have used it but only online so my eyes probably missed something.

[Cornelius McGillicuddy]

The question that I keep asking and have never found an answer. If I setup teams from different eras in a year, say 1950, how do I get them all to equalize? Like how do I get the best HR hitters from the deadball era to hit the proper number of HRs in 1950? Is this done automatically when I set the year or is there a setting somewhere?

[Cornelius McGillicuddy]

If I setup teams from different eras in a year, say 1950, how do I get them all to equalize? Like how do I get the best HR hitters from the deadball era to hit the proper number of HRs in 1950? Is this done automatically when I set the year or is there a setting somewhere?

Nobody knows this?

[Skrabec1]

I have ask this also with no response..... After reading the maunal over and over, it seems if you import individual Historical Teams (say the 1972 A's) into a pre-existing League (say 1950), the ratings for that team will be based on the year the team is actually from 1972. That is my best guess on what I have read.

Neil

[skunkle333]

That would be disappointing if there isn't a ERA adjustment. Can't believe OOTP would leave that out.

[Solonor]

There is no era adjustment in OOTP.

[batted balls]

Originally Posted by Joy in Mudville

Two questions: What's the easiest way to set up a historical league with the following situations?

1. How do I set up a league with my favorite teams such as the '80 Royals, '82 Brewers, '84 Tigers, etc.?

2. How do I set up teams with the players I want on their rosters such as a '57 Hank Aaron in right, a '56 Mickey Mantle in center and an '82 Rickey Henderson in left?

Thanks.

So, does the manual also answer question #2?

[skunkle333]

Originally Posted by Solonor

There is no era adjustment in OOTP.

Well...that is a big negative. Drat.

[pstrickert]

I may be wrong, but here's how I think it works. Each player is rated RELATIVE TO others in a particular season. For example, in 1968, Carl Yastrzemski led the league with a .301 batting average. In OOTP, he will import with a high contact rating (20 out of 20, perhaps, since he was the best hitter RELATIVE TO everyone else). If we import the 1968 Red Sox into a modern league, Yastrzemski's contact rating should be the same (20 out of 20). He might hit .350 or so (whatever a 20 out of 20 contact rating would produce in a modern environment). He would still be one of the best hitters RELATIVE TO everyone else. He will not be penalized for having played at a time when offense was suppressed. Likewise, if Yastrzemski had hit .238 in 1968, he would import with a contact rating of (about) 10 out of 20. Why? Because the LEAGUE batting average in 1968 was .238. He would then import into a modern league with the same contact rating (10 out of 20) and probably hit about .267. Why? Again, because the LEAGUE batting average in 2009 was .267. Does this make sense?

[skunkle333]

PStrickert...

I think your explanation makes a good point. I don't see anything wrong with that setup.

A question. So if I choose to go with the default setup of 1-20 for a players contact rating would that mean you are basically saying:

1. That a 10-11 rating would be the average batting average rating for that particular...let's say historical season?

2. If that is so then one could prorate by % a scale using 1-20 to somewhat check or verify a player's BA for that season. Say the BA for that season was .250. Then players who hit .240-250 should have a contact rating of about 10. Lower BA and higher BA adjusting accordingly.

Is that somewhat how the contact rating works? Then one would need to see how the other various player ratings impact the contact % to get a final accurate idea on that players total rating. Right?

I realize some of this is probably obvious to most but I'm still studying. When I finally figure out how to import teams to a mixed created league I could make adjustments if I feel like a player's contact rating is off quite a bit. I'm also thinking down the road that the L/R could be adjusted accordingly for those players that had extreme real life L/R totals.

Thanks

[Solonor]

Originally Posted by pstrickert

I may be wrong, but here's how I think it works. Each player is rated RELATIVE TO others in a particular season. For example, in 1968, Carl Yastrzemski led the league with a .301 batting average. In OOTP, he will import with a high contact rating (20 out of 20, perhaps, since he was the best hitter RELATIVE TO everyone else). If we import the 1968 Red Sox into a modern league, Yastrzemski's contact rating should be the same (20 out of 20). He might hit .350 or so (whatever a 20 out of 20 contact rating would produce in a modern environment). He would still be one of the best hitters RELATIVE TO everyone else. He will not be penalized for having played at a time when offense was suppressed. Likewise, if Yastrzemski had hit .238 in 1968, he would import with a contact rating of (about) 10 out of 20. Why? Because the LEAGUE batting average in 1968 was .238. He would then import into a modern league with the same contact rating (10 out of 20) and probably hit about .267. Why? Again, because the LEAGUE batting average in 2009 was .267. Does this make sense?

Actually, that is not correct at all. What you are describing is an era adjustment that the game should do, but OOTP isn't that smart about merging historical eras. If you import Yaz from 1968 into 2010, it's just going to look at his .301 BA and compare it to the 2010 league average and give him a crappy contact rating.

I tested this specific scenario, and Yaz comes in with an 11 Contact.

EDIT: HOLD THE PHONE! I just realized that the 2010 game I had setup defaulted to having Scouts ON, whereas the 1968 league did not. When I turned off Scouts in 2010 and ran the OSA rescout, Yaz had the nearly the same ratings in both. HUZZAH! OOTP does do era adjustments!

[skunkle333]

Now I'm really confused. Would be nice if OOTP just had a complete step by step process explaining things so you didn't have to jump all over in the manual and hope you remember everything.

[Solonor]

No, it's very simple...far simpler than it ever has been (it must have changed in 10 or 11). An historical player is rated against his own league and time. It doesn't matter where you put him, he'll have those same ratings. So, Babe Ruth is still Babe Ruth in 2010.

Of course, it doesn't work exactly according to percentages. If he hit 54 HR in 1928 when HR's were about 35% of the 2009 average, then he should (in theory) hit about 154 HR's in 2010. The league totals and modifiers and stuff will limit him. He's still only going to have a max rating in Power. So, it's not going to be ridiculous, but you should still see him as someone leading the league in HR's.

This is exciting, actually. I somehow missed that OOTP even did this kind of era adjustment. (I'm usually looking at online stuff when testing and don't do much more than dabble in historical.)

[Skrabec1]

Guys- Here is Markus's explaination:



No, the ratings are always relative to the modern era, and not the imported season. That'S why you see very low power ratings and high pitcher movement ratings when importing dead-ball seasons for example.


Cheers,
Markus

Am 24.04.2010 um 23:13 schrieb theskras119@comcast.net:

Markus- On the boards we can't get a clear answer on this. Can you help?? Although there is no ERA adjustment, are historical players created (if you base ratings on historical performance), based on a comparision to the year they played in, as described below?



I may be wrong, but here's how I think it works. Each player is rated RELATIVE TO others in a particular season. For example, in 1968, Carl Yastrzemski led the league with a .301 batting average. In OOTP, he will import with a high contact rating (20 out of 20, perhaps, since he was the best hitter RELATIVE TO everyone else). If we import the 1968 Red Sox into a modern league, Yastrzemski's contact rating should be the same (20 out of 20). He might hit .350 or so (whatever a 20 out of 20 contact rating would produce in a modern environment). He would still be one of the best hitters RELATIVE TO everyone else. He will not be penalized for having played at a time when offense was suppressed. Likewise, if Yastrzemski had hit .238 in 1968, he would import with a contact rating of (about) 10 out of 20. Why? Because the LEAGUE batting average in 1968 was .238. He would then import into a modern league with the same contact rating (10 out of 20) and probably hit about .267. Why? Again, because the LEAGUE batting average in 2009 was .267. Does this make sense?

[skunkle333]

Yep...that's exactly what Paul said in his above post. Now to decipher it all.

[Solonor]

Booo! Hiss!