this isn't right

jazzrack · 11-02-2009, 07:35 AM

i did a search and couldn't find anything so,

so i was playing out a game (1st game of the season FWIW) and the game went into the 15th. my pitcher gets through the top of the 15th. bottom of the inning starts and since i have a guy warming up in the pen & this guy has pitched 2 innings anyway i go ahead and put the guy in the pen into the game. the start to play the bottom of the 15th, second guy up slaps a HR and we win. woohoo. but the guy who never threw a pitch, hell he never even got on the field, gets the win. it should have gone to the guy who was the last pitcher of record... should it not have?

spleen1015 · 11-02-2009, 07:54 AM

I agree with you.

In real life, Yamamoto wouldn't have become the pitcher on record until he actually took the field.

jazzrack · 11-02-2009, 08:36 AM

yeah, roberts got hosed by the official scorer

spleen1015 · 11-02-2009, 09:13 AM

I think if you would have waited until you took the field in the 16th, it would have been scored correctly. Since you put Yamamoto in while you were batting made him the pitcher on record.

I wonder if the same thing would happen in real life if the manager did the same thing.

f.montoya · 11-02-2009, 09:13 AM

Bug. This should not happen.

Malleus Dei · 11-02-2009, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by f.montoya

Bug. This should not happen.

What Fidel wrote. Bug bug bug bug bug.

Dark Horse · 11-02-2009, 12:49 PM

nm

esovia23 · 11-02-2009, 02:07 PM

Yeah, it's a bug. Shouldnt happen. In real life the manager would have to wait until Roberts was up to the plate and was pitch hit for by Yamamoto or hed have to wait until the half inning was over to announce the change. You cant replace a pitcher officially until your team is out on defense.

TribeFanInNC · 11-02-2009, 02:15 PM

Right, this is an OOTP implementation thing (i.e. OOTP implements something slightly different than RL because it is a computer game). Really, you need to do the thinking for the program and not put the player in until you are done batting. As noted, IRL the player is not announced until he takes the mound (or bats or whatever) and isn't in the game until he does something.

esovia23 · 11-02-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

Right, this is an OOTP implementation thing (i.e. OOTP implements something slightly different than RL because it is a computer game). Really, you need to do the thinking for the program and not put the player in until you are done batting. As noted, IRL the player is not announced until he takes the mound (or bats or whatever) and isn't in the game until he does something.

The program shouldnt allow that tho. It should pop up a warning box stating that the player cannot be substituted at that time.

In real life when youre on offense you cant announce a defensive position switch during an inning like that. The only thing you can do is pinch hit for one of your batters.

TribeFanInNC · 11-02-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by esovia23

The program shouldnt allow that tho. It should pop up a warning box stating that the player cannot be substituted at that time.

Yeah, I suppose this is true. I guess I've just always inserted the new pitcher as the inning starts as habit. I'll fall inline with the 'bug' crowd.

NCBeachBum · 11-02-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

I wonder if the same thing would happen in real life if the manager did the same thing.

Actually, this does happen IRL in a double switch (the pitcher's changing while on offense without batting, I mean). And it still does not make the new guy the pitcher of record.

esovia23 · 11-02-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by NCBeachBum

Actually, this does happen IRL in a double switch (the pitcher's changing while on offense without batting, I mean). And it still does not make the new guy the pitcher of record.

That always happens when the team is pitching, tho. Never when theyre hitting.

When youre hitting you can only swap out a pitcher for a pinch hitter. The pinch hitter is then considered as the pitcher. You have to wait until the half inning is over to make a pitching change and obviously the pinch hitter doesnt then become the pitcher of record.

So basically the game allows illegal substitutions. It allows you to place a pinch hitter into the lineup before the player pinch hit for comes to bat.

jazzrack · 11-02-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

Right, this is an OOTP implementation thing (i.e. OOTP implements something slightly different than RL because it is a computer game). Really, you need to do the thinking for the program and not put the player in until you are done batting. As noted, IRL the player is not announced until he takes the mound (or bats or whatever) and isn't in the game until he does something.

not possible beause of the way the warm-up thing works (i usually don't use warm-ups but i forgot to change the option when i installed it on the new system) if i had left the player in the pen warming up & we hadn't won, he would have been tired by the time the 16th started, if i had set him down he wouldn't have been ready. so what i was supposed to sit him, get up a guy i didn't want in the game?

thats why i don't play with the warm-up rule, it can't work the way it really needs to.

it is clearly a bug.

jazzrack · 11-02-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by esovia23

That always happens when the team is pitching, tho. Never when theyre hitting.

When youre hitting you can only swap out a pitcher for a pinch hitter. The pinch hitter is then considered as the pitcher. You have to wait until the half inning is over to make a pitching change and obviously the pinch hitter doesnt then become the pitcher of record.

So basically the game allows illegal substitutions. It allows you to place a pinch hitter into the lineup before the player pinch hit for comes to bat.

but what if you use a pitcher as your pinch hittter,(orel hersiser did it many, many times)& he hit the game winning HR, would he get the win & also if the batter is a pitcher until you put a pitcher in wouldn't the batter then get the win since he is the pitcher at the time the winning run is scored.

no, it's the l;ast pitcher of record, none of the lineup changes i make should matter

NCBeachBum · 11-04-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by esovia23

That always happens when the team is pitching, tho. Never when theyre hitting.

When youre hitting you can only swap out a pitcher for a pinch hitter. The pinch hitter is then considered as the pitcher. You have to wait until the half inning is over to make a pitching change and obviously the pinch hitter doesnt then become the pitcher of record.

So basically the game allows illegal substitutions. It allows you to place a pinch hitter into the lineup before the player pinch hit for comes to bat.

Nope. In a double switch, the manager is required to go out and tell the ump about it right then, while on offense, or the lineup switch isn't allowed. And if you have a great inning and get around to the point at which you have told the ump the new pitcher is now occupying, it will be that pitcher for the following inning who is to come to bat, not the hitter he was to replace. The ump has already marked it on the scorecard.

And he still would not be the pitcher of record.

11-02-2009, 07:35 AM	#1
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esovia23 Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 154 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	Yeah, it's a bug. Shouldnt happen. In real life the manager would have to wait until Roberts was up to the plate and was pitch hit for by Yamamoto or hed have to wait until the half inning was over to announce the change. You cant replace a pitcher officially until your team is out on defense. Last edited by esovia23; 11-02-2009 at 02:16 PM.

11-02-2009, 07:54 AM	#2
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,005	I agree with you. In real life, Yamamoto wouldn't have become the pitcher on record until he actually took the field.

11-02-2009, 02:15 PM	#9
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,019	Right, this is an OOTP implementation thing (i.e. OOTP implements something slightly different than RL because it is a computer game). Really, you need to do the thinking for the program and not put the player in until you are done batting. As noted, IRL the player is not announced until he takes the mound (or bats or whatever) and isn't in the game until he does something.