Does the game pinch hit with pitchers?

WWBL Commissioner · 12-29-2001, 09:31 PM

I was wondering if the AI ever uses a pitcher to pinch hit in an extra inning game? Does it ever use them as pinch runners? Has anybody ever seen a posistion player pitch? If so how often does this happen?

Steve Kuffrey · 12-30-2001, 01:01 AM

I don't believe so, but could be mistaken. I hope that this can be tweaked in the future.

sporr · 12-30-2001, 01:05 AM

Nope, the game does not do this.

Scott Vibert · 12-30-2001, 06:33 AM

The game doesn't do this automatically... if you are playing out the games you can do this yourself... however you have to do some manipulation to do it.

hellfrozeover · 12-30-2001, 09:31 AM

You beat me to it Scott.

WWBL Commissioner · 12-30-2001, 08:08 PM

What exactly do you have to do to get it to work, I played out an 18 inning game one time and wanted to use a pitcher as a pinch hitter. Another question...does anybody know how to use a posistion player as a pitcher?

hellfrozeover · 12-30-2001, 09:39 PM

This is how I get it. Turn on the editor, then change the pitcher's position to anything other than pitcher. Insert him into the lineup then just change him back to a pitcher after. Do just the opposite to get a position player to pitch.

This is a pretty rough description of the workaround, I think Scott could explain it better.

statfreak · 12-31-2001, 04:53 AM

Actually, in my current 12 team league using a designated hitter, a couple of pitchers have had AB's and a couple more were used as pinch runners (at least I am assuming they were PR as they had scored and even had some stolen bases without any AB's or BB's)

The computer simmed all games.

hellfrozeover · 12-31-2001, 05:14 AM

Really, I've never seen that in OOTP before. But hey, that's even better that it's already there.

statfreak · 01-01-2002, 04:00 PM

Okay, I just checked the 1980 season stats for the 12 team league I mentioned. As I said above, all teams in this league use designated hitters.

11 pitchers appeared in 15 games with 1 AB, 7 runs scored, and 1 stolen base.

I have also seen minor league pitchers with an AB and runs scored.

Scott Vibert · 01-02-2002, 02:19 AM

Could this have occured because the team was forced to put their DH in the field... thereby putting the pitcher in the lineup? I still have never (in about 5 seasons of playing out games and 10+ of simming games) seen a pitcher used as a pinch hitter or pinch runner. (I have seen the minor league pitchers get at bats, but only in one game so I chalked it up to the DH having to go into the field and thereby the pitcher was forced to hit.

Scott Vibert · 01-02-2002, 02:24 AM

[quote]Originally posted by GBC Tres League President:
What exactly do you have to do to get it to work, I played out an 18 inning game one time and wanted to use a pitcher as a pinch hitter. Another question...does anybody know how to use a posistion player as a pitcher?<hr></blockquote>

See the longest game post.. but to paraphrase:

Pitcher hitting or running:
Click on Pitcher
Turn on Editor
Change Position to anything other than pitcher
Insert into Lineup as hitter or runner
Return to player editor and make player back to being a pitcher

Position player pitcher:
Click on Player
Turn on Editor
Make him a Pitcher
Insert into game
Return to Player Editor and change position back to normal.

Hope this helps

blmeanie · 01-02-2002, 05:42 AM

I've seen it recently too, just last night I had simmed a weeks worth of games and looked at my team's roster screen and sorted by avg and my best hitter was Mike Stanton! In his two at bats (both in that week) he had a hit. I think in my case it was because of a bunch of minor injuries where the recovery was less than 15 days but I didn't move them off active and the AI ran out of players to use in some situation so it used a pitcher.

I promptly moved Stanton to DH as he clearly showed his potential...lol

blmeanie

Rizon · 01-02-2002, 07:05 AM

Somehow one of my starting pitchers ended the season with 1 AB. I am in the AL and didn't have interleague play. It had to have happened during a simmed game, because I never had the need to insert a pitcher as a PH.

sporr · 01-02-2002, 07:29 AM

[quote]Originally posted by ScottVib:
Could this have occured because the team was forced to put their DH in the field... thereby putting the pitcher in the lineup<hr></blockquote>

This is something else that I wish we were allowed to do. Every time I try I get the message telling me that such a move would force my pitcher to bat when I lose my DH privelege. Using your method it's probably possible, but it'd be nice to be allowed to do this regularly for those rare cases where we choose to.

hellfrozeover · 01-02-2002, 08:10 PM

[quote]Originally posted by blmeanie:
I've seen it recently too, just last night I had simmed a weeks worth of games and looked at my team's roster screen and sorted by avg and my best hitter was Mike Stanton! In his two at bats (both in that week) he had a hit. I think in my case it was because of a bunch of minor injuries where the recovery was less than 15 days but I didn't move them off active and the AI ran out of players to use in some situation so it used a pitcher.

I promptly moved Stanton to DH as he clearly showed his potential...lol

blmeanie<hr></blockquote>

That reminds me, I've been wanting to be able to convert pitchers to hitters in spring training. More than once I've had minor league pitchers with 5 batting average ratings but who have never amounted to more than a two inning appearance in September. I would like to be able to change them to something like 1B or 3B or any position just to be able to do something with those decent/good batting ratings.

Scott Vibert · 01-03-2002, 01:57 AM

How about using the editor you make them a DH this will put them on the hitters spring training grid... from there you can spend the points to teach them a position?

statfreak · 01-03-2002, 02:57 AM

[quote]Originally posted by ScottVib:
Could this have occured because the team was forced to put their DH in the field... thereby putting the pitcher in the lineup? I still have never (in about 5 seasons of playing out games and 10+ of simming games) seen a pitcher used as a pinch hitter or pinch runner. (I have seen the minor league pitchers get at bats, but only in one game so I chalked it up to the DH having to go into the field and thereby the pitcher was forced to hit.<hr></blockquote>

I suppose that could account for the 1 AB, but the only explanation for the other 14 games, 7 runs scored and 1 stolen base would be pitchers being used as pinch runners. Keep in mind most of the pitchers used were starting pitchers who appeared in 30-33 games each as a pitcher and 1 to 4 games as a pinch runner/hitter.

hellfrozeover · 01-03-2002, 11:52 AM

[quote]Originally posted by ScottVib:
How about using the editor you make them a DH this will put them on the hitters spring training grid... from there you can spend the points to teach them a position?<hr></blockquote>

Yes, good point, I could do this, but it would still be nice to be able to do it with the regular spring training features just like any other position conversion.

Scott Vibert · 01-04-2002, 03:12 AM

[quote]Originally posted by hellfrozeover:


Yes, good point, I could do this, but it would still be nice to be able to do it with the regular spring training features just like any other position conversion.<hr></blockquote>

How do you mean... I would think you wouldn't want to do it from the pitchers spring training menu... I mean if you want a guy to be a hitter wouldn't you want to train him for hitting and not pitching? By changing him to DH converting his position becomes just like every other player position conversion during spring training... you're just going from DH (think of it as if he was a perminant PH the year before since he could hit but not pitch well) to the field position and using the remaining points to train his hitting further, rather than going from P to the field position and using the remaining points to train his pitching..

Perhaps you're saying you wish hitters and pitchers were on the same menu? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

12-29-2001, 09:31 PM	#1
WWBL Commissioner All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Hawaii Posts: 887	Does the game pinch hit with pitchers? I was wondering if the AI ever uses a pitcher to pinch hit in an extra inning game? Does it ever use them as pinch runners? Has anybody ever seen a posistion player pitch? If so how often does this happen? __________________ Offey WWBL Commissioner(2004-2014 real life years) WWBL: Hawaii Island Warriors 2005 Pacific League Champion 2006 Pacific League Champion 2007 Pacific League Champion 2008 WWBL WORLD CHAMPION 2010 WWBL WORLD CHAMPION 2019 WWBL WORLD CHAMPION 2029 WWBL WORLD CHAMPION The Island Warriors are 21-23 in World Series play. BadAssBaseball: Boston Red Sox 1906 American League Champion 1907 WORLD CHAMPION

12-30-2001, 01:01 AM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	I don't believe so, but could be mistaken. I hope that this can be tweaked in the future. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

12-30-2001, 09:31 AM	#5
hellfrozeover All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,130	You beat me to it Scott. __________________ FBA Chicago Syndicate Former Owner: WBL Minnesota Twins 2004 - 2007 AL Central Division Champs OOL Chicago Whales 2006, 2009 UL East Champs; 2006, 2009 United League Champs IBA Lehigh Valley Diamonds 2006 Governor's Cup Champions VSLB New York Yankees 2001, 2002 AL East Division Champs ILBL Commissioner/Chicago Cubs 2002 NL Central Division Champs; 2002 National League Champs ASBL New York Yankees 2006 AL East Division Champs

12-30-2001, 08:08 PM	#6
WWBL Commissioner All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Hawaii Posts: 887	What exactly do you have to do to get it to work, I played out an 18 inning game one time and wanted to use a pitcher as a pinch hitter. Another question...does anybody know how to use a posistion player as a pitcher? __________________ Offey WWBL Commissioner(2004-2014 real life years) WWBL: Hawaii Island Warriors 2005 Pacific League Champion 2006 Pacific League Champion 2007 Pacific League Champion 2008 WWBL WORLD CHAMPION 2010 WWBL WORLD CHAMPION 2019 WWBL WORLD CHAMPION 2029 WWBL WORLD CHAMPION The Island Warriors are 21-23 in World Series play. BadAssBaseball: Boston Red Sox 1906 American League Champion 1907 WORLD CHAMPION

12-30-2001, 09:39 PM	#7
hellfrozeover All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,130	This is how I get it. Turn on the editor, then change the pitcher's position to anything other than pitcher. Insert him into the lineup then just change him back to a pitcher after. Do just the opposite to get a position player to pitch. This is a pretty rough description of the workaround, I think Scott could explain it better. __________________ FBA Chicago Syndicate Former Owner: WBL Minnesota Twins 2004 - 2007 AL Central Division Champs OOL Chicago Whales 2006, 2009 UL East Champs; 2006, 2009 United League Champs IBA Lehigh Valley Diamonds 2006 Governor's Cup Champions VSLB New York Yankees 2001, 2002 AL East Division Champs ILBL Commissioner/Chicago Cubs 2002 NL Central Division Champs; 2002 National League Champs ASBL New York Yankees 2006 AL East Division Champs

12-30-2001, 01:05 AM	#3
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Nope, the game does not do this.

12-30-2001, 06:33 AM	#4
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,251	The game doesn't do this automatically... if you are playing out the games you can do this yourself... however you have to do some manipulation to do it.

12-31-2001, 04:53 AM	#8
statfreak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 2,434	Actually, in my current 12 team league using a designated hitter, a couple of pitchers have had AB's and a couple more were used as pinch runners (at least I am assuming they were PR as they had scored and even had some stolen bases without any AB's or BB's) The computer simmed all games. __________________ Roll out the barrel!

12-31-2001, 05:14 AM	#9
hellfrozeover All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,130	Really, I've never seen that in OOTP before. But hey, that's even better that it's already there. __________________ FBA Chicago Syndicate Former Owner: WBL Minnesota Twins 2004 - 2007 AL Central Division Champs OOL Chicago Whales 2006, 2009 UL East Champs; 2006, 2009 United League Champs IBA Lehigh Valley Diamonds 2006 Governor's Cup Champions VSLB New York Yankees 2001, 2002 AL East Division Champs ILBL Commissioner/Chicago Cubs 2002 NL Central Division Champs; 2002 National League Champs ASBL New York Yankees 2006 AL East Division Champs

01-01-2002, 04:00 PM	#10
statfreak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 2,434	Okay, I just checked the 1980 season stats for the 12 team league I mentioned. As I said above, all teams in this league use designated hitters. 11 pitchers appeared in 15 games with 1 AB, 7 runs scored, and 1 stolen base. I have also seen minor league pitchers with an AB and runs scored. __________________ Roll out the barrel!

01-02-2002, 02:19 AM	#11
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,251	Could this have occured because the team was forced to put their DH in the field... thereby putting the pitcher in the lineup? I still have never (in about 5 seasons of playing out games and 10+ of simming games) seen a pitcher used as a pinch hitter or pinch runner. (I have seen the minor league pitchers get at bats, but only in one game so I chalked it up to the DH having to go into the field and thereby the pitcher was forced to hit.

01-02-2002, 02:24 AM	#12
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,251	[quote]Originally posted by GBC Tres League President: <strong>What exactly do you have to do to get it to work, I played out an 18 inning game one time and wanted to use a pitcher as a pinch hitter. Another question...does anybody know how to use a posistion player as a pitcher?</strong><hr></blockquote> See the longest game post.. but to paraphrase: Pitcher hitting or running: Click on Pitcher Turn on Editor Change Position to anything other than pitcher Insert into Lineup as hitter or runner Return to player editor and make player back to being a pitcher Position player pitcher: Click on Player Turn on Editor Make him a Pitcher Insert into game Return to Player Editor and change position back to normal. Hope this helps

01-02-2002, 05:42 AM	#13
blmeanie All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,044	I've seen it recently too, just last night I had simmed a weeks worth of games and looked at my team's roster screen and sorted by avg and my best hitter was Mike Stanton! In his two at bats (both in that week) he had a hit. I think in my case it was because of a bunch of minor injuries where the recovery was less than 15 days but I didn't move them off active and the AI ran out of players to use in some situation so it used a pitcher. I promptly moved Stanton to DH as he clearly showed his potential...lol blmeanie __________________ blmeanie email me at blmeanie Above link works for some email client programs but not all, email me at blmeanie33@earthlink.net

01-02-2002, 07:05 AM	#14
Rizon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: SF Area, California Total Posts: 531,691 Posts: 2,370	Somehow one of my starting pitchers ended the season with 1 AB. I am in the AL and didn't have interleague play. It had to have happened during a simmed game, because I never had the need to insert a pitcher as a PH. __________________ JML MILKSHAKES

01-02-2002, 07:29 AM	#15
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	[quote]Originally posted by ScottVib: <strong>Could this have occured because the team was forced to put their DH in the field... thereby putting the pitcher in the lineup</strong><hr></blockquote> This is something else that I wish we were allowed to do. Every time I try I get the message telling me that such a move would force my pitcher to bat when I lose my DH privelege. Using your method it's probably possible, but it'd be nice to be allowed to do this regularly for those rare cases where we choose to.

01-02-2002, 08:10 PM	#16
hellfrozeover All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,130	[quote]Originally posted by blmeanie: <strong>I've seen it recently too, just last night I had simmed a weeks worth of games and looked at my team's roster screen and sorted by avg and my best hitter was Mike Stanton! In his two at bats (both in that week) he had a hit. I think in my case it was because of a bunch of minor injuries where the recovery was less than 15 days but I didn't move them off active and the AI ran out of players to use in some situation so it used a pitcher. I promptly moved Stanton to DH as he clearly showed his potential...lol blmeanie</strong><hr></blockquote> That reminds me, I've been wanting to be able to convert pitchers to hitters in spring training. More than once I've had minor league pitchers with 5 batting average ratings but who have never amounted to more than a two inning appearance in September. I would like to be able to change them to something like 1B or 3B or any position just to be able to do something with those decent/good batting ratings. __________________ FBA Chicago Syndicate Former Owner: WBL Minnesota Twins 2004 - 2007 AL Central Division Champs OOL Chicago Whales 2006, 2009 UL East Champs; 2006, 2009 United League Champs IBA Lehigh Valley Diamonds 2006 Governor's Cup Champions VSLB New York Yankees 2001, 2002 AL East Division Champs ILBL Commissioner/Chicago Cubs 2002 NL Central Division Champs; 2002 National League Champs ASBL New York Yankees 2006 AL East Division Champs

01-03-2002, 01:57 AM	#17
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,251	How about using the editor you make them a DH this will put them on the hitters spring training grid... from there you can spend the points to teach them a position?

01-03-2002, 02:57 AM	#18
statfreak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 2,434	[quote]Originally posted by ScottVib: <strong>Could this have occured because the team was forced to put their DH in the field... thereby putting the pitcher in the lineup? I still have never (in about 5 seasons of playing out games and 10+ of simming games) seen a pitcher used as a pinch hitter or pinch runner. (I have seen the minor league pitchers get at bats, but only in one game so I chalked it up to the DH having to go into the field and thereby the pitcher was forced to hit.</strong><hr></blockquote> I suppose that could account for the 1 AB, but the only explanation for the other 14 games, 7 runs scored and 1 stolen base would be pitchers being used as pinch runners. Keep in mind most of the pitchers used were starting pitchers who appeared in 30-33 games each as a pitcher and 1 to 4 games as a pinch runner/hitter. __________________ Roll out the barrel!

01-03-2002, 11:52 AM	#19
hellfrozeover All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,130	[quote]Originally posted by ScottVib: <strong>How about using the editor you make them a DH this will put them on the hitters spring training grid... from there you can spend the points to teach them a position?</strong><hr></blockquote> Yes, good point, I could do this, but it would still be nice to be able to do it with the regular spring training features just like any other position conversion. __________________ FBA Chicago Syndicate Former Owner: WBL Minnesota Twins 2004 - 2007 AL Central Division Champs OOL Chicago Whales 2006, 2009 UL East Champs; 2006, 2009 United League Champs IBA Lehigh Valley Diamonds 2006 Governor's Cup Champions VSLB New York Yankees 2001, 2002 AL East Division Champs ILBL Commissioner/Chicago Cubs 2002 NL Central Division Champs; 2002 National League Champs ASBL New York Yankees 2006 AL East Division Champs

01-04-2002, 03:12 AM	#20
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,251	[quote]Originally posted by hellfrozeover: <strong> Yes, good point, I could do this, but it would still be nice to be able to do it with the regular spring training features just like any other position conversion.</strong><hr></blockquote> How do you mean... I would think you wouldn't want to do it from the pitchers spring training menu... I mean if you want a guy to be a hitter wouldn't you want to train him for hitting and not pitching? By changing him to DH converting his position becomes just like every other player position conversion during spring training... you're just going from DH (think of it as if he was a perminant PH the year before since he could hit but not pitch well) to the field position and using the remaining points to train his hitting further, rather than going from P to the field position and using the remaining points to train his pitching.. Perhaps you're saying you wish hitters and pitchers were on the same menu? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">