BZ 3233: Illegal number of players on active roster

The Meal · 06-07-2009, 11:24 AM

Am running OOTP10.

Have done a quick search on the tech support forum, but haven't seen this issue.

Had shuffled players between various minor league levels, but nothing different than I had done multiple times already this season. I get this message when I try to advance to the end of the day/week/month.

Am receiving an attention message stating: "Birmingham [my AAA squad] has an illegal number of players on the active roster! (4)" My AAA's were set to allow 25 men on the roster. I have gone through the league settings to disable a roster limit, but the message persists. I have moved everyone off my AAA squad, but the message persists (but with a "(0)" at the end). I have double checked the rest of my minor leagues to ensure that none are over their set limits. I have disabled the limits at all my minor league levels. I have scanned all CPU teams minors for being over the limits (before and after disabling the limits). Nothing allows me to advance to the next day. Closing the software and reopening does not help.

This is a custom fictional solo league with radical adjustment to the league structure (2 leagues, 4 divisions in each league, each made up of 2 teams). There are five levels of minor leagues, each containing 16 teams.

I'm running on Vista on a PC.

Please let me know how I can share my league files such that this may be better troubleshat. Thanks,
~Neal

The Meal · 06-07-2009, 11:29 AM

I have uploaded my league's .dat files to the ootpsupport.com/.../saved_games/ folder with the name TheMeal.lg.rar

jabrown6940 · 06-07-2009, 12:42 PM

It let's you exceed the limit on AAA rosters on Mac too.

endgame · 06-07-2009, 01:02 PM

Meal, I haven't looked at your league file, but the zero usually indicates that THAT is the illegal number, or 4 in the other case. When you go to the AAA squad, do you in fact find that there are no players on the roster?

jabrown, exceeding the limit will usually generate a message that says just that: Alvaran has more than 25 players on the Active Roster. So this may be two separate issues. In Meal's case, it doesn't appear there are enough players on the roster. In yours, it may be an indication that roster limits are not working as intended. Could you start another thread on that subject, please?

The Meal · 06-07-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by endgame

Meal, I haven't looked at your league file, but the zero usually indicates that THAT is the illegal number, or 4 in the other case. When you go to the AAA squad, do you in fact find that there are no players on the roster?

The (0) and (4) were accurate representations of the number of players on the roster at the time. In both cases the Transactions-Overview pages showed 0/25 and 4/25 players on my Birmingham roster (or 0 and 4 players, respectively, after I disabled the roster size limitation).

I have my settings to allow for ghosting in my minor leagues. Mine is not an issue of too few players on the minor league rosters.

endgame · 06-07-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meal

The (0) and (4) were accurate representations of the number of players on the roster at the time. In both cases the Transactions-Overview pages showed 0/25 and 4/25 players on my Birmingham roster (or 0 and 4 players, respectively, after I disabled the roster size limitation).

I have my settings to allow for ghosting in my minor leagues. Mine is not an issue of too few players on the minor league rosters.

Okay, help me out. Maybe I haven't hit my caffeine level yet, but if you have 0 players and 4 players on a 25 man rosters, how is that not an issue of too few players? Limits disabled, disables the high end, but you still need enough players to field for a game.

Horks · 06-07-2009, 02:35 PM

He said he has the ghost setting turned on. Setting option reads "Allow incomplete minor league rosters (ghost players)" ... Having 0 or 4 players on a 25 man roster should not be an issue (but it is, thus his post). This issue is fairly easy to reproduce. Make a 1920s league, add minor leagues, and many AI teams will not fill their minor league rosters, thus making the season unplayable (less you edit the AI rosters).

The Meal · 06-07-2009, 02:51 PM

I successfully played the first few months of the season with significantly fewer than 25 men on my AAA roster. (This issue is not related to a major league club.)

endgame · 06-07-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Horks

He said he has the ghost setting turned on. Setting option reads "Allow incomplete minor league rosters (ghost players)" ... Having 0 or 4 players on a 25 man roster should not be an issue (but it is, thus his post). This issue is fairly easy to reproduce. Make a 1920s league, add minor leagues, and many AI teams will not fill their minor league rosters, thus making the season unplayable (less you edit the AI rosters).

Okay, sorry I don't play with ghosts. So you're saying the 0 or 4 is the number of real players on the roster. So the game isn't recognizing the fact that there ARE ghost players?

Bear with me, I'll create the league as you suggested and probably learn something in the process. And I will be sure to BZ this if I can get to the point where I understand it.

The Meal · 06-07-2009, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by endgame

Okay, sorry I don't play with ghosts. So you're saying the 0 or 4 is the number of real players on the roster. So the game isn't recognizing the fact that there ARE ghost players?

Yes, 0 or 4 are the actual number of "real" players on the roster. It's reporting that number correctly.

I don't think there's any problem related to the ghosted players.

I think there must be a corruption where the game thinks my AAA roster has more players than is permissible (25 or infinite) on the roster.

Quote:

Bear with me, I'll create the league as you suggested and probably learn something in the process. And I will be sure to BZ this if I can get to the point where I understand it.

I'm certain that there's something non-standard (a corruption) wrong with my .dat files, as I'm absolutely certain that other folks are playing with ghosted players and capped-sized minor-league squads, but I'm the only person who is reporting having this problem.

But I certainly appreciate any and all efforts made to make my league work.

The Meal · 06-08-2009, 06:50 PM

Anything else I can provide to be helpful?

Nutlaw · 06-08-2009, 06:57 PM

Hey Neal.

Have you tried playing around with different roster sizes to determine exactly which ones give you errors? Will 10 players on your AAA roster cause the same error?

The Meal · 06-08-2009, 07:54 PM

WTF.

(5) -- gave error.
(6) -- gave error.
(7) -- gave error.
(8) -- gave error.
(9) -- worked just fine. 1SP 2MR 2CL 1-2B 1SS 1LF 1CF, FWIW.

Soon as I went back down to (8) -- gave error.

I'm giving up on this league. I'm much less interested in getting my file to work than I am worried that this may happen to someone (me!) again in the future.

Like I said before, my files are uploaded if someone wants to give a proper troubleshooting job.

Nutlaw · 06-09-2009, 01:15 PM

Neal, the error is clearly that you have too few players on the roster, not that the game thinks that you have too many.

Are you absolutely certain that you have ghost players enabled? If so, then we have a problem with the way that that is currently functioning.

The Meal · 06-10-2009, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nutlaw

Neal, the error is clearly that you have too few players on the roster, not that the game thinks that you have too many.

Are you absolutely certain that you have ghost players enabled? If so, then we have a problem with the way that that is currently functioning.

I am absolutely certain that this setting was selected.

Nutlaw · 06-10-2009, 07:12 PM

Okay, then. Logged as BZ 3233. Thanks for reporting it.

Nutlaw · 06-11-2009, 12:28 PM

Markus says that you have ghost players disabled when looking at your files. Enable them and you'll be fine.

As a former GGNL/BJHL associate, I trusted you on this, Neal.

The Meal · 06-11-2009, 05:43 PM

Then the bug was that the game crapped out my setting, as I certainly didn't manually change anything.

Apologies if I got you in trouble with the Big Guy.

Nutlaw · 06-11-2009, 05:55 PM

I'm teasing.

In Game Setup -> League Setup -> Options (in your major league), under the Player Options heading, you see "Allow incomplete minor league rosters (ghost players)" checked?

06-07-2009, 11:24 AM	#1
The Meal Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Colorado Posts: 12	BZ 3233: Illegal number of players on active roster Am running OOTP10. Have done a quick search on the tech support forum, but haven't seen this issue. Had shuffled players between various minor league levels, but nothing different than I had done multiple times already this season. I get this message when I try to advance to the end of the day/week/month. Am receiving an attention message stating: "Birmingham [my AAA squad] has an illegal number of players on the active roster! (4)" My AAA's were set to allow 25 men on the roster. I have gone through the league settings to disable a roster limit, but the message persists. I have moved everyone off my AAA squad, but the message persists (but with a "(0)" at the end). I have double checked the rest of my minor leagues to ensure that none are over their set limits. I have disabled the limits at all my minor league levels. I have scanned all CPU teams minors for being over the limits (before and after disabling the limits). Nothing allows me to advance to the next day. Closing the software and reopening does not help. This is a custom fictional solo league with radical adjustment to the league structure (2 leagues, 4 divisions in each league, each made up of 2 teams). There are five levels of minor leagues, each containing 16 teams. I'm running on Vista on a PC. Please let me know how I can share my league files such that this may be better troubleshat. Thanks, ~Neal

06-07-2009, 01:02 PM	#4
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	Meal, I haven't looked at your league file, but the zero usually indicates that THAT is the illegal number, or 4 in the other case. When you go to the AAA squad, do you in fact find that there are no players on the roster? jabrown, exceeding the limit will usually generate a message that says just that: Alvaran has more than 25 players on the Active Roster. So this may be two separate issues. In Meal's case, it doesn't appear there are enough players on the roster. In yours, it may be an indication that roster limits are not working as intended. Could you start another thread on that subject, please? __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

06-07-2009, 02:35 PM	#7
Horks Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 52	He said he has the ghost setting turned on. Setting option reads "Allow incomplete minor league rosters (ghost players)" ... Having 0 or 4 players on a 25 man roster should not be an issue (but it is, thus his post). This issue is fairly easy to reproduce. Make a 1920s league, add minor leagues, and many AI teams will not fill their minor league rosters, thus making the season unplayable (less you edit the AI rosters). Last edited by Horks; 06-07-2009 at 02:37 PM.

06-07-2009, 11:29 AM	#2
The Meal Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Colorado Posts: 12	I have uploaded my league's .dat files to the ootpsupport.com/.../saved_games/ folder with the name TheMeal.lg.rar

06-07-2009, 12:42 PM	#3
jabrown6940 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 270	It let's you exceed the limit on AAA rosters on Mac too.

06-07-2009, 02:51 PM	#8
The Meal Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Colorado Posts: 12	I successfully played the first few months of the season with significantly fewer than 25 men on my AAA roster. (This issue is not related to a major league club.)

06-08-2009, 06:50 PM	#11
The Meal Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Colorado Posts: 12	Anything else I can provide to be helpful?

06-08-2009, 06:57 PM	#12
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	Hey Neal. Have you tried playing around with different roster sizes to determine exactly which ones give you errors? Will 10 players on your AAA roster cause the same error?

06-08-2009, 07:54 PM	#13
The Meal Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Colorado Posts: 12	WTF. (5) -- gave error. (6) -- gave error. (7) -- gave error. (8) -- gave error. (9) -- worked just fine. 1SP 2MR 2CL 1-2B 1SS 1LF 1CF, FWIW. Soon as I went back down to (8) -- gave error. I'm giving up on this league. I'm much less interested in getting my file to work than I am worried that this may happen to someone (me!) again in the future. Like I said before, my files are uploaded if someone wants to give a proper troubleshooting job.

06-09-2009, 01:15 PM	#14
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	Neal, the error is clearly that you have too few players on the roster, not that the game thinks that you have too many. Are you absolutely certain that you have ghost players enabled? If so, then we have a problem with the way that that is currently functioning.

06-10-2009, 07:12 PM	#16
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	Okay, then. Logged as BZ 3233. Thanks for reporting it.

06-11-2009, 12:28 PM	#17
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	Markus says that you have ghost players disabled when looking at your files. Enable them and you'll be fine. As a former GGNL/BJHL associate, I trusted you on this, Neal.

06-11-2009, 05:43 PM	#18
The Meal Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Colorado Posts: 12	Then the bug was that the game crapped out my setting, as I certainly didn't manually change anything. Apologies if I got you in trouble with the Big Guy.

06-11-2009, 05:55 PM	#19
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	I'm teasing. In Game Setup -> League Setup -> Options (in your major league), under the Player Options heading, you see "Allow incomplete minor league rosters (ghost players)" checked?