Rosters

kidk34 · 01-30-2002, 03:08 AM

I appreciate those of you that put out new roster sets and updates. I am just wondering.....if V3 rosters can be imported into V4, why can't rosters be created using V3 format and then imported into V4 once it is released?

Steve Kuffrey · 01-30-2002, 03:16 AM

They can, but v4 adds some additional ratings.

Chappy · 01-30-2002, 04:01 AM

I can see it now...

You open up your league in V4 to see that Rafael Furcal is 6'5" and weighs 270 lbs.

And Jason Giambi is a trim 180 lbs.

It will be interesting to see how/if the Ht/Wt are connected to the player ratings (speed, power, etc).

kidk34 · 01-30-2002, 04:47 AM

That's fine...was just curious

JWay · 01-30-2002, 06:12 AM

it would almost be better if this were turned off while importing don't you think?

SmoothLikeNick · 02-03-2002, 09:38 AM

When do you guys think that Player Names will be avaliable for OOTP4?

Erich Ingram · 02-03-2002, 10:24 AM

The other problem with importing the rosters from V3 into v4 is that the rosters in v3 will not have the stats from 2001 included, as there is no way at this point to create a league that is through 2001 on v3.

Scott Vibert · 02-04-2002, 04:37 AM

[quote]Originally posted by SmoothLikeNick:
When do you guys think that Player Names will be avaliable for OOTP4?<hr></blockquote>

Probably fairly quickly.... the players in the game all will have names.

Oh... you mean real player names

In all seriousness I suspect (just a guess) that they'll come out with in the first week that the game is released. (I'm sure someone will rush out a patch with the real names, pretty quickly)

Edit - fix grammar

[ February 04, 2002: Message edited by: ScottVib ]

Shorty · 02-04-2002, 10:22 AM

Will the height/weight be correlated? I don't want players being generated at 5'5", 300 pounds.

There should be a min./max. for each height level...

SmoothLikeNick · 02-04-2002, 10:55 AM

If I recall correctly there were several people that had the v3 REAL names out within like a day or 2 of the release of the game. I guess my question was if Markus is sending some of these people an advanced copy so that they can get a head start on this, or if they are just that good and will be able to get them correct in a span of 48 hrs or so?

hellfrozeover · 02-05-2002, 08:52 PM

Unless they are beta testers, I doubt that they'll get a copy of the game. What they probably do is get their database set up beforehand in a spreadsheet or something then once they get the game and ogle it for a little, they just use the data they've already collected and copy. I'm just guessing here since I'm not one of those guys, but it seems to me that that's the way I'd do it.

Scott Vibert · 02-06-2002, 02:51 AM

[quote]Originally posted by hellfrozeover:
Unless they are beta testers, I doubt that they'll get a copy of the game. What they probably do is get their database set up beforehand in a spreadsheet or something then once they get the game and ogle it for a little, they just use the data they've already collected and copy. I'm just guessing here since I'm not one of those guys, but it seems to me that that's the way I'd do it.<hr></blockquote>

You are correct on all counts.

edm · 02-06-2002, 10:32 PM

just wondering, will the rosters that ship with OOTP4 be based on real MLB players, and have the correct career stats like last years version?

[ February 07, 2002: Message edited by: edm ]

Henry · 02-07-2002, 01:16 AM

Charles Centrelli came out with his "real name" rosters on March 31st of last year for OOTP3, so if he's still "in business", that's the turnaround I would expect.

edm · 02-07-2002, 09:25 AM

[quote]Originally posted by edm:
just wondering, will the rosters that ship with OOTP4 be based on real MLB players, and have the correct career stats like last years version?
<hr></blockquote>

anyone???

Draft Dodger · 02-07-2002, 10:14 AM

my guess -

if I'm correct, OOTP3 was going to have real players, but then, late in the development, it was decided that the MLBPA wasn't going to dig that too much, so the real players were hastily edited to have fake names.

since OOTP4 wasn't supposed to have real players from the getgo, my suspicion is that the players wont resemble real players this time.

Scott Vibert · 02-07-2002, 10:19 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Draft Dodger:
my guess -

if I'm correct, OOTP3 was going to have real players, but then, late in the development, it was decided that the MLBPA wasn't going to dig that too much, so the real players were hastily edited to have fake names.

since OOTP4 wasn't supposed to have real players from the getgo, my suspicion is that the players wont resemble real players this time.<hr></blockquote>

We shall see..

SmoothLikeNick · 02-07-2002, 10:29 AM

if the players don't resemble real MLB players.. in my book thats a HUGE negative for the game. Almost to the point where I don't want it anymore.

Scott Vibert · 02-07-2002, 10:55 AM

[quote]Originally posted by SmoothLikeNick:
if the players don't resemble real MLB players.. in my book thats a HUGE negative for the game. Almost to the point where I don't want it anymore.

<hr></blockquote>

Remember there WILL be roster sets out and probably fairly quickly. And there is no definitive answer yet from the developers whether or not the players will resemble true major leaguers.

For what its worth (which isn't much) I highly suspect the players will be based at least somewhat on real major leaguers, most games in the baseball genre have always been based slightly on the actual major leaguers when they ship with the same alignment as MLB, there is nothing that would turn players off more to see all of a sudden Tampa (instead of New York) winning every year, especially in a simulation game. As a result they almost have to keep the players somewhat real, just so that the teams keep the correct realitive strengths.

I also wouldn't expect much in the way of a definitive answer from the development team on this, as they run the risk of getting in trouble if they appear to be supporting anyones efforts to create a roster set with real players. I believe (and I'm not a legal expert so this is purely speculation) that real MLB players or players based on 2001 can't officially be a selling point for this game, or they run the risk of being sued for using the MLB players to market the game. But if you buy the game and you just happen to find that Boston has a star starting pitcher named Peter Martin from the Dominican Republic, thats ok, because the games selling point wasn't that the players were based on real life players.

It's just my opinion so I could be wrong.. but I suspect the players might just have a bit of resemblance to real guys... just don't expect much of an "official" confirmation.

Hammer755 · 02-07-2002, 10:57 AM

[quote]Originally posted by SmoothLikeNick:
if the players don't resemble real MLB players.. in my book thats a HUGE negative for the game. Almost to the point where I don't want it anymore.

<hr></blockquote>

I really don't understand why this would be a problem at all. Based on history and recent conversations here on the board, all indications are that there will be a 3rd-party roster file created within a week of OOTP4's release.

[ February 07, 2002: Message edited by: Hammer755 ]

01-30-2002, 03:08 AM	#1
kidk34 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Springfield, Illinois Posts: 88	Rosters I appreciate those of you that put out new roster sets and updates. I am just wondering.....if V3 rosters can be imported into V4, why can't rosters be created using V3 format and then imported into V4 once it is released?

01-30-2002, 03:16 AM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	They can, but v4 adds some additional ratings. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

01-30-2002, 04:01 AM	#3
Chappy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 2,721	I can see it now... You open up your league in V4 to see that Rafael Furcal is 6'5" and weighs 270 lbs. And Jason Giambi is a trim 180 lbs. It will be interesting to see how/if the Ht/Wt are connected to the player ratings (speed, power, etc). __________________ NPBL - Pennsylvania Freedom AFBL - North Carolina Aviators MLB-Pro - Kansas City Royals

02-03-2002, 09:38 AM	#6
SmoothLikeNick Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 70	When do you guys think that Player Names will be avaliable for OOTP4? __________________ Lick it... Lick it good. vrMLB- Minnesota Twins

02-03-2002, 10:24 AM	#7
Erich Ingram Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,217	The other problem with importing the rosters from V3 into v4 is that the rosters in v3 will not have the stats from 2001 included, as there is no way at this point to create a league that is through 2001 on v3. __________________ Erich Ingram (Rolen17) IOSBL San Diego Aztecs 2010, 2012,2013, 2014 World Series Champions Maelstrom Padres 2026 World Champions eMLB Washington Nationals

01-30-2002, 04:47 AM	#4
kidk34 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Springfield, Illinois Posts: 88	That's fine...was just curious

01-30-2002, 06:12 AM	#5
JWay Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,031	it would almost be better if this were turned off while importing don't you think?

02-04-2002, 04:37 AM	#8
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,267	[quote]Originally posted by SmoothLikeNick: <strong>When do you guys think that Player Names will be avaliable for OOTP4?</strong><hr></blockquote> Probably fairly quickly.... the players in the game all will have names. Oh... you mean real player names In all seriousness I suspect (just a guess) that they'll come out with in the first week that the game is released. (I'm sure someone will rush out a patch with the real names, pretty quickly) Edit - fix grammar [ February 04, 2002: Message edited by: ScottVib ]</p>

02-04-2002, 10:22 AM	#9
Shorty All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 992	Will the height/weight be correlated? I don't want players being generated at 5'5", 300 pounds. There should be a min./max. for each height level... __________________ Here we go Redlegs here we go!

02-04-2002, 10:55 AM	#10
SmoothLikeNick Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 70	If I recall correctly there were several people that had the v3 REAL names out within like a day or 2 of the release of the game. I guess my question was if Markus is sending some of these people an advanced copy so that they can get a head start on this, or if they are just that good and will be able to get them correct in a span of 48 hrs or so? __________________ Lick it... Lick it good. vrMLB- Minnesota Twins

02-05-2002, 08:52 PM	#11
hellfrozeover All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,130	Unless they are beta testers, I doubt that they'll get a copy of the game. What they probably do is get their database set up beforehand in a spreadsheet or something then once they get the game and ogle it for a little, they just use the data they've already collected and copy. I'm just guessing here since I'm not one of those guys, but it seems to me that that's the way I'd do it. __________________ FBA Chicago Syndicate Former Owner: WBL Minnesota Twins 2004 - 2007 AL Central Division Champs OOL Chicago Whales 2006, 2009 UL East Champs; 2006, 2009 United League Champs IBA Lehigh Valley Diamonds 2006 Governor's Cup Champions VSLB New York Yankees 2001, 2002 AL East Division Champs ILBL Commissioner/Chicago Cubs 2002 NL Central Division Champs; 2002 National League Champs ASBL New York Yankees 2006 AL East Division Champs

02-06-2002, 02:51 AM	#12
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,267	[quote]Originally posted by hellfrozeover: <strong>Unless they are beta testers, I doubt that they'll get a copy of the game. What they probably do is get their database set up beforehand in a spreadsheet or something then once they get the game and ogle it for a little, they just use the data they've already collected and copy. I'm just guessing here since I'm not one of those guys, but it seems to me that that's the way I'd do it.</strong><hr></blockquote> You are correct on all counts.

02-06-2002, 10:32 PM	#13
edm All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 1,999	just wondering, will the rosters that ship with OOTP4 be based on real MLB players, and have the correct career stats like last years version? [ February 07, 2002: Message edited by: edm ]</p>

02-07-2002, 01:16 AM	#14
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	Charles Centrelli came out with his "real name" rosters on March 31st of last year for OOTP3, so if he's still "in business", that's the turnaround I would expect.

02-07-2002, 09:25 AM	#15
edm All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 1,999	[quote]Originally posted by edm: <strong>just wondering, will the rosters that ship with OOTP4 be based on real MLB players, and have the correct career stats like last years version? </strong><hr></blockquote> anyone???

02-07-2002, 10:14 AM	#16
Draft Dodger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: formerly of the OTBL Posts: 4,113	my guess - if I'm correct, OOTP3 was going to have real players, but then, late in the development, it was decided that the MLBPA wasn't going to dig that too much, so the real players were hastily edited to have fake names. since OOTP4 wasn't supposed to have real players from the getgo, my suspicion is that the players wont resemble real players this time. __________________ Draft Dodger (Anarchy: Anything goes. The Draft Dodger viewpoint.) Sophmoric[sic] Member of the OOTP Boards (It's not OOTP; it's your computer) 15 GB Webhosting for $6.95 a month IMO we are best off abandoning that sinking ship that is Off Topic to the rats infesting it and just starting a whole new Baseball Forum from scratch.

02-07-2002, 10:19 AM	#17
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,267	[quote]Originally posted by Draft Dodger: <strong>my guess - if I'm correct, OOTP3 was going to have real players, but then, late in the development, it was decided that the MLBPA wasn't going to dig that too much, so the real players were hastily edited to have fake names. since OOTP4 wasn't supposed to have real players from the getgo, my suspicion is that the players wont resemble real players this time.</strong><hr></blockquote> We shall see..

02-07-2002, 10:29 AM	#18
SmoothLikeNick Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 70	if the players don't resemble real MLB players.. in my book thats a HUGE negative for the game. Almost to the point where I don't want it anymore. __________________ Lick it... Lick it good. vrMLB- Minnesota Twins

02-07-2002, 10:55 AM	#19
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,267	[quote]Originally posted by SmoothLikeNick: <strong>if the players don't resemble real MLB players.. in my book thats a HUGE negative for the game. Almost to the point where I don't want it anymore. </strong><hr></blockquote> Remember there WILL be roster sets out and probably fairly quickly. And there is no definitive answer yet from the developers whether or not the players will resemble true major leaguers. For what its worth (which isn't much) I highly suspect the players will be based at least somewhat on real major leaguers, most games in the baseball genre have always been based slightly on the actual major leaguers when they ship with the same alignment as MLB, there is nothing that would turn players off more to see all of a sudden Tampa (instead of New York) winning every year, especially in a simulation game. As a result they almost have to keep the players somewhat real, just so that the teams keep the correct realitive strengths. I also wouldn't expect much in the way of a definitive answer from the development team on this, as they run the risk of getting in trouble if they appear to be supporting anyones efforts to create a roster set with real players. I believe (and I'm not a legal expert so this is purely speculation) that real MLB players or players based on 2001 can't officially be a selling point for this game, or they run the risk of being sued for using the MLB players to market the game. But if you buy the game and you just happen to find that Boston has a star starting pitcher named Peter Martin from the Dominican Republic, thats ok, because the games selling point wasn't that the players were based on real life players. It's just my opinion so I could be wrong.. but I suspect the players might just have a bit of resemblance to real guys... just don't expect much of an "official" confirmation.

02-07-2002, 10:57 AM	#20
Hammer755 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,348	[quote]Originally posted by SmoothLikeNick: <strong>if the players don't resemble real MLB players.. in my book thats a HUGE negative for the game. Almost to the point where I don't want it anymore. </strong><hr></blockquote> I really don't understand why this would be a problem at all. Based on history and recent conversations here on the board, all indications are that there will be a 3rd-party roster file created within a week of OOTP4's release. [ February 07, 2002: Message edited by: Hammer755 ]</p>