Should Hall of Fame voters be forced to play OOTP?

Lou Wuerfelball · 02-08-2009, 03:24 PM

One thing about playing this game that I love, you really see how tough it is to achieve 3000 hits, 300 wins etc. A certain sportstalk host is always going on and on about how Craig Biggio doesn't belong in the Hall(he also did this about Palmiero prior to the roids). I say that is a load of crap. 3000 hits is a huge accomplishment and by playing this game and falling in love with a bunch of fictional heroes, I defy anyone to tell me that 3000 hits is not enough to make the Hall. 300 Wins, is such a huge thing, that I now believe that if Greg Maddox isn't the first unanimous selection to the Hall, welll??????????? I use Skydogs fictional league and I am in 2008, I now tend to think of some of the players in this league as real.

1998 Yankees · 02-08-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lou Wuerfelball

One thing about playing this game that I love, you really see how tough it is to achieve 3000 hits, 300 wins etc.

True. Divide each of these, and 500 home runs, by 20 (as in 20 seasons) and see what numbers have to be averaged over those years to make these career numbers. Then realize how tough it can be to keep guys going that long in this game (without tinkering, that is).

Speaking of which, I sometimes wonder about the monsters people post here at times (not you, myasu). That is, I wonder whether they have "injected steroids" into their games by tweaking PCM's and league total modifiers.

In any event, with default settings, it's tough to achieve these milestones. Yes, make them play OOTP, and for another reason. They will be less tempted to vote for a finger-pointing, lying clown like Palmiero who has the numbers but certainly does not belong in the HoF.

conception · 02-08-2009, 08:01 PM

Part of the problem with guys getting legitimate HOF numbers in OOTP is that the game will always generate players at certain ages, and its very hard to find a nineteen year old like A-Rod who is ready to play in the majors. I tried to set my league up to have players develop younger but then I had a ton of flameouts.

myasu · 02-08-2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Speaking of which, I sometimes wonder about the monsters people post here at times (not you, myasu). That is, I wonder whether they have "injected steroids" into their games by tweaking PCM's and league total modifiers.

How dare you!

Seriously though, after I have met Mr. Christensen (my monster) I have been looking at the game option pages to see if I did something wrong with my PCM's or total modifiers.

My league batting average/ERA looks pretty healthy though...

Back to the topic, I agree with the OP 100%.
In my opinion, 3000 hits are 3000 hits, and 300 wins are 300 wins, no matter how long they take, and no matter how they do them. (Well, even if you are juiced, I believe an above average talent in the league would not be able to achieve HOF numbers. Not that I am OK with stedoids)

Isura · 02-08-2009, 11:05 PM

Writers look at stuff like hits and wins. That's part of the problem.

Malleus Dei · 02-09-2009, 11:16 AM

Many baseball writers - with HoF votes - are so incredibly ignorant that they still think that RBI and unadjusted ERA are important. And they are unwilling and afraid to learn the basics of statistical analysis, which would enable them to see who is actually better than whom. Mention VORP or EqA or wOBA to baseball writer and watch him get either a blank look on his face or an angry one.

It's a tragic disgrace that some of the people who write about the game lack the necessary education and mastery of the tool needed to understand the game - and worse, are unwilling to obtain it.

mikev · 02-09-2009, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

Many baseball writers - with HoF votes - are so incredibly ignorant that they still think that RBI and unadjusted ERA are important. And they are unwilling and afraid to learn the basics of statistical analysis, which would enable them to see who is actually better than whom. Mention VORP or EqA or wOBA to baseball writer and watch him get either a blank look on his face or an angry one.

It's a tragic disgrace that some of the people who write about the game lack the necessary education and mastery of the tool needed to understand the game - and worse, are unwilling to obtain it.

I'm reasonably sure that I love you right now.

Captain Walrus · 02-09-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

Many baseball writers - with HoF votes - are so incredibly ignorant that they still think that RBI and unadjusted ERA are important. And they are unwilling and afraid to learn the basics of statistical analysis, which would enable them to see who is actually better than whom. Mention VORP or EqA or wOBA to baseball writer and watch him get either a blank look on his face or an angry one.

It's a tragic disgrace that some of the people who write about the game lack the necessary education and mastery of the tool needed to understand the game - and worse, are unwilling to obtain it.

And not even that sometimes. Some are unwilling to vote in "number compilers" and say dumb things like "sure he had good numbers, but he's not a Hall of Famer."

And then there's that guy who said he forgot to vote for Rickey Henderson. How the hell do you forget someone on a ballot?

ChubbyBanana · 02-11-2009, 02:56 AM

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And then there's that guy who said he forgot to vote for Rickey Henderson. How the hell do you forget someone on a ballot?

That makes me wonder also.

Left-handed Badger · 02-12-2009, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Walrus

And not even that sometimes. Some are unwilling to vote in "number compilers" and say dumb things like "sure he had good numbers, but he's not a Hall of Famer."

And then there's that guy who said he forgot to vote for Rickey Henderson. How the hell do you forget someone on a ballot?

I think there is always one guy who doesnt vote for the obvious just to be a non-conformist.

ANd I noticed when the votes came out they screwed over Bert Blyleven again. Without looking at the votes the last few years, it does seem they have some kind of hate for pitchers, lately. (I might be wrong, but I dont remember an extremely large amount of pitchers of late)

The Wolf · 02-12-2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Walrus

And then there's that guy who said he forgot to vote for Rickey Henderson. How the hell do you forget someone on a ballot?

I had a guy who worked for me once who forgot he was married.

Or at least he said he did.

Captain Walrus · 02-13-2009, 03:53 AM

I assume he forgot on purpose, though.

02-08-2009, 03:24 PM	#1
Lou Wuerfelball Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 116	Should Hall of Fame voters be forced to play OOTP? One thing about playing this game that I love, you really see how tough it is to achieve 3000 hits, 300 wins etc. A certain sportstalk host is always going on and on about how Craig Biggio doesn't belong in the Hall(he also did this about Palmiero prior to the roids). I say that is a load of crap. 3000 hits is a huge accomplishment and by playing this game and falling in love with a bunch of fictional heroes, I defy anyone to tell me that 3000 hits is not enough to make the Hall. 300 Wins, is such a huge thing, that I now believe that if Greg Maddox isn't the first unanimous selection to the Hall, welll??????????? I use Skydogs fictional league and I am in 2008, I now tend to think of some of the players in this league as real.

02-13-2009, 03:53 AM	#12
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02-08-2009, 08:01 PM	#3
conception All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,150	Part of the problem with guys getting legitimate HOF numbers in OOTP is that the game will always generate players at certain ages, and its very hard to find a nineteen year old like A-Rod who is ready to play in the majors. I tried to set my league up to have players develop younger but then I had a ton of flameouts.

02-08-2009, 11:05 PM	#5
Isura Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 361	Writers look at stuff like hits and wins. That's part of the problem.