Something small that bothers me alot

Ramzavail · 04-14-2002, 07:06 AM

Its a great game but this small thing bothers me alot...

On the player stats page when a player changes teams (trade or FA) during the season the stats aren't split up like on a baseball card or how they should be...

Example
this is how it is in the game

Frank Thomas
2001 CHI, NY .340 35 130

it should be
2001 CHI .310 15 70
2001 NY .360 20 60
2001 Total .340 35 130

you know what I mean?

I would love to see that changes in a patch, it would make me so happy and I think it wouldnt be THAT big of a problem to fix.

What do you guys think?

player196 · 04-14-2002, 07:15 AM

That's always bothered me too, but I would only like to see that when players switch leagues not when they are traded interleague.

spleen1015 · 04-14-2002, 08:01 AM

I posted this in the suggestions forum and Steve said it was something he'd like to see as well. I think eventually we'll see it.

Killebrew · 04-14-2002, 08:32 AM

I like the idea a lot too, but I suspect it actually might be a fairly big thing to change

. I believe a related game limitation is the issue of counting stats separately when a player is traded to another league (for the league leaders board and for league/team records).

Steve Kuffrey · 04-14-2002, 10:53 AM

I already asked Markus about it and he said right now it is not gonna happen.

Shorty · 04-14-2002, 02:22 PM

Actually, I'm glad. The way you posted, thatd take up 3 lines. A guy that has a 20 year career, his stuff wouldnt all fit on the page.

Kemp · 04-14-2002, 02:54 PM

Since this thread seems to have gotten someone's attention, I thought I'd throw out another very annoying problem.

OOTP seems to be figuring generic L/R splits incorrectly for the "Avoiding K's" rating. That is, 90% of the created players do better against pitchers of the same hand.

So lefties are striking out LESS against left handed pitchers and vice versa. This is definitely wrong and I'm sure it's a bug. I've had to go through and edit every player in the league.

andy m · 04-14-2002, 10:16 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shorty:
Actually, I'm glad. The way you posted, thatd take up 3 lines. A guy that has a 20 year career, his stuff wouldnt all fit on the page.<hr /></blockquote>yeah, because it's a real chore to scroll, right?

Markus Heinsohn · 04-14-2002, 11:13 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Kemp:
Since this thread seems to have gotten someone's attention, I thought I'd throw out another very annoying problem.

OOTP seems to be figuring generic L/R splits incorrectly for the "Avoiding K's" rating. That is, 90% of the created players do better against pitchers of the same hand.

So lefties are striking out LESS against left handed pitchers and vice versa. This is definitely wrong and I'm sure it's a bug. I've had to go through and edit every player in the league.<hr /></blockquote>Yup, it's a bug, it will be ok in the next patch!

Kemp · 04-15-2002, 02:17 AM

Thank you very much, sir.

Ramzavail · 04-15-2002, 03:52 AM

I really think Markus should consider on my thought....

for instance this has happened to me before....

if you trade for a player before the season starts...and he breaks a team record for you, it wont count (as him breaking a team record) even though he never had one at-bat for the other team.

Thats just one instance...I could think of a few more that all stem from this one statistical problem....

from a purely statistical standpoint I think it would be a great informational thing to look at.

Scott Vibert · 04-15-2002, 04:20 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mephiskapheles:
if you trade for a player before the season starts...and he breaks a team record for you, it wont count (as him breaking a team record) even though he never had one at-bat for the other team.
<hr /></blockquote>Are you sure this is true.. I thought I had players on my team in my solo fictional league holding team records for my team even though they joined the team at the trading deadline of that season... but hey I could be wrong.

What you are asking for would require (I think, again I don't know these things, just making a guess from how the game seems to be architectured) would be for each season to have n+1 fields (one for each team and one for the total) so that the game could save the stats for each team the player could possibly be on. To me the net gain of breaking up the stats by team presently isn't worth the cost of the added storage space and pain of programming it too only show stats for the teams the player played on (rather than a bunch of teams with 0 listed).

In any event I suspect something like this is beyond the scope of a patch..

Ramzavail · 04-15-2002, 06:13 AM

I am positive...at least in OOTP 3, I havent gotten that far yet in OOTP4.

In regards to your space issue...I would even be appeased without a total for the year....but at least a breakdown of the performance on each team in that year....the combination of the two is unrealistic statistically at least and even more unrealistic (Im positive about this) when for example

you obtain Frank Thomas from CHI in year 2002 before a game starts in the season and your are team NYN

it still says 2002 CHI, NYN

on a baseball card it would never say that and statistically he never played for CHI but in the game it would say that.

I just have a problem with it, big enough to make a stink about it, I think its a stat bug IMO as its not showing stats properly, how they should be shown.

Hammer755 · 04-15-2002, 11:32 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mephiskapheles:
if you trade for a player before the season starts...and he breaks a team record for you, it wont count (as him breaking a team record) even though he never had one at-bat for the other team.
<hr /></blockquote>This is not true. I will provide you an example from an online league, as that is the most readily available data that I have.

Before the 2007 season started, I traded CF Jeremy Coady to the Spokane franchise. He went on to set the Spokane franchise record for SB during the 2007 season, and it is noted as such in the record book.

Here is the <a href="http://www.psbl.net/leaguesite/ltrans.htm" target="_blank">League Transactions Page</a>. The very first trade is the one I am referencing.

Here is the <a href="http://www.psbl.net/leaguesite/records.htm" target="_blank">Records Page</a>. About half-way down the page are the records for Spokane. Not only is Coady given credit for the team SB record, but also set the record for AB and R's.

Now, the bigger question is why I traded him away, but that is another discussion entirely. BTW, this is an OOTP3 league currently.

Edit - Furthermore, if you look at the 3rd trade on the transaction screen, you'll see that California acquired CF Damon Bright. If you search the record book page for California's team records, you'll see that Bright set team records for AB, H's, and K's.

[ 04-15-2002, 05:44 PM: Message edited by: Hammer755 ]

Scott Vibert · 04-15-2002, 12:03 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Hammer755:
This is not true. I will provide you an example from an online league, as that is the most readily available data that I have.
<hr /></blockquote>That is what I thought thanks for verifying that I'm not crazy Hammer.

Hammer755 · 04-15-2002, 02:30 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ScottVib:
Thanks for verifying that I'm not crazy.<hr /></blockquote>That fact I cannot confirm as I have no statistical information to back it up.

Draft Dodger · 04-15-2002, 03:27 PM

I'd much rather see career minor league stats and career playoff stats and even career l/r stats before this.

mtw · 04-15-2002, 03:34 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ScottVib:
What you are asking for would require (I think, again I don't know these things, just making a guess from how the game seems to be architectured) would be for each season to have n+1 fields (one for each team and one for the total) so that the game could save the stats for each team the player could possibly be on. To me the net gain of breaking up the stats by team presently isn't worth the cost of the added storage space and pain of programming it too only show stats for the teams the player played on (rather than a bunch of teams with 0 listed).

In any event I suspect something like this is beyond the scope of a patch..<hr /></blockquote>While I would love to see a separate line for each team, I'd be very happy with just a separate line of stats for each league a player plays in, such that all teams in League 1 in one season and all teams in League 2 that player plays for are on a separate line. That would limit the number of lines needed and keep separate league stats separate, as in MLB.

Killebrew · 04-15-2002, 03:38 PM

I agree about minor league stats and post-season stats taking priority, it is still a good idea though that should be considered for future versions of the game.

Ramzavail · 04-16-2002, 04:06 AM

Every link that was provided didnt work...so I couldnt see your point...

but I will look in my league on my computer and report back....

although it was only one example, not overlooking the fact that I believe its a stat bug...its still not providing the stats properly..as we've all seen on a baseball card...

another note, I do agree with minor league stats and playoff stats being a priority as well...but I would look at regular season stats more than minor league and playoff stats.

04-14-2002, 07:06 AM	#1
Ramzavail All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NY Posts: 618	Something small that bothers me alot Its a great game but this small thing bothers me alot... On the player stats page when a player changes teams (trade or FA) during the season the stats aren't split up like on a baseball card or how they should be... Example this is how it is in the game Frank Thomas 2001 CHI, NY .340 35 130 it should be 2001 CHI .310 15 70 2001 NY .360 20 60 2001 Total .340 35 130 you know what I mean? I would love to see that changes in a patch, it would make me so happy and I think it wouldnt be THAT big of a problem to fix. What do you guys think?

04-14-2002, 08:32 AM	#4
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	I like the idea a lot too, but I suspect it actually might be a fairly big thing to change. I believe a related game limitation is the issue of counting stats separately when a player is traded to another league (for the league leaders board and for league/team records). __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

04-14-2002, 10:53 AM	#5
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	I already asked Markus about it and he said right now it is not gonna happen. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

04-14-2002, 02:22 PM	#6
Shorty All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 992	Actually, I'm glad. The way you posted, thatd take up 3 lines. A guy that has a 20 year career, his stuff wouldnt all fit on the page. __________________ Here we go Redlegs here we go!

04-14-2002, 10:16 PM	#8
andy m Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: UK Posts: 183	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Shorty: <strong>Actually, I'm glad. The way you posted, thatd take up 3 lines. A guy that has a 20 year career, his stuff wouldnt all fit on the page.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">yeah, because it's a real chore to scroll, right? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> __________________

04-14-2002, 07:15 AM	#2
player196 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Medford, OR Posts: 59	That's always bothered me too, but I would only like to see that when players switch leagues not when they are traded interleague.

04-14-2002, 08:01 AM	#3
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,008	I posted this in the suggestions forum and Steve said it was something he'd like to see as well. I think eventually we'll see it.

04-14-2002, 02:54 PM	#7
Kemp All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,181	Since this thread seems to have gotten someone's attention, I thought I'd throw out another very annoying problem. OOTP seems to be figuring generic L/R splits incorrectly for the "Avoiding K's" rating. That is, 90% of the created players do better against pitchers of the same hand. So lefties are striking out LESS against left handed pitchers and vice versa. This is definitely wrong and I'm sure it's a bug. I've had to go through and edit every player in the league.

04-14-2002, 11:13 PM	#9
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,803	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Kemp: <strong>Since this thread seems to have gotten someone's attention, I thought I'd throw out another very annoying problem. OOTP seems to be figuring generic L/R splits incorrectly for the "Avoiding K's" rating. That is, 90% of the created players do better against pitchers of the same hand. So lefties are striking out LESS against left handed pitchers and vice versa. This is definitely wrong and I'm sure it's a bug. I've had to go through and edit every player in the league.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yup, it's a bug, it will be ok in the next patch! __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android

04-15-2002, 02:17 AM	#10
Kemp All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,181	Thank you very much, sir.

04-15-2002, 03:52 AM	#11
Ramzavail All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NY Posts: 618	I really think Markus should consider on my thought.... for instance this has happened to me before.... if you trade for a player before the season starts...and he breaks a team record for you, it wont count (as him breaking a team record) even though he never had one at-bat for the other team. Thats just one instance...I could think of a few more that all stem from this one statistical problem.... from a purely statistical standpoint I think it would be a great informational thing to look at.

04-15-2002, 04:20 AM	#12
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,254	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Mephiskapheles: <strong>if you trade for a player before the season starts...and he breaks a team record for you, it wont count (as him breaking a team record) even though he never had one at-bat for the other team. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Are you sure this is true.. I thought I had players on my team in my solo fictional league holding team records for my team even though they joined the team at the trading deadline of that season... but hey I could be wrong. What you are asking for would require (I think, again I don't know these things, just making a guess from how the game seems to be architectured) would be for each season to have n+1 fields (one for each team and one for the total) so that the game could save the stats for each team the player could possibly be on. To me the net gain of breaking up the stats by team presently isn't worth the cost of the added storage space and pain of programming it too only show stats for the teams the player played on (rather than a bunch of teams with 0 listed). In any event I suspect something like this is beyond the scope of a patch..

04-15-2002, 06:13 AM	#13
Ramzavail All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NY Posts: 618	I am positive...at least in OOTP 3, I havent gotten that far yet in OOTP4. In regards to your space issue...I would even be appeased without a total for the year....but at least a breakdown of the performance on each team in that year....the combination of the two is unrealistic statistically at least and even more unrealistic (Im positive about this) when for example you obtain Frank Thomas from CHI in year 2002 before a game starts in the season and your are team NYN it still says 2002 CHI, NYN on a baseball card it would never say that and statistically he never played for CHI but in the game it would say that. I just have a problem with it, big enough to make a stink about it, I think its a stat bug IMO as its not showing stats properly, how they should be shown.

04-15-2002, 11:32 AM	#14
Hammer755 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,348	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Mephiskapheles: <strong>if you trade for a player before the season starts...and he breaks a team record for you, it wont count (as him breaking a team record) even though he never had one at-bat for the other team. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">This is not true. I will provide you an example from an online league, as that is the most readily available data that I have. Before the 2007 season started, I traded CF Jeremy Coady to the Spokane franchise. He went on to set the Spokane franchise record for SB during the 2007 season, and it is noted as such in the record book. Here is the <a href="http://www.psbl.net/leaguesite/ltrans.htm" target="_blank">League Transactions Page</a>. The very first trade is the one I am referencing. Here is the <a href="http://www.psbl.net/leaguesite/records.htm" target="_blank">Records Page</a>. About half-way down the page are the records for Spokane. Not only is Coady given credit for the team SB record, but also set the record for AB and R's. Now, the bigger question is why I traded him away, but that is another discussion entirely. BTW, this is an OOTP3 league currently. Edit - Furthermore, if you look at the 3rd trade on the transaction screen, you'll see that California acquired CF Damon Bright. If you search the record book page for California's team records, you'll see that Bright set team records for AB, H's, and K's. <small>[ 04-15-2002, 05:44 PM: Message edited by: Hammer755 ]</small>

04-15-2002, 12:03 PM	#15
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,254	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Hammer755: <strong>This is not true. I will provide you an example from an online league, as that is the most readily available data that I have. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">That is what I thought thanks for verifying that I'm not crazy Hammer.

04-15-2002, 02:30 PM	#16
Hammer755 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,348	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ScottVib: <strong>Thanks for verifying that I'm not crazy.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">That fact I cannot confirm as I have no statistical information to back it up.

04-15-2002, 03:27 PM	#17
Draft Dodger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: formerly of the OTBL Posts: 4,113	I'd much rather see career minor league stats and career playoff stats and even career l/r stats before this. __________________ Draft Dodger (Anarchy: Anything goes. The Draft Dodger viewpoint.) Sophmoric[sic] Member of the OOTP Boards (It's not OOTP; it's your computer) 15 GB Webhosting for $6.95 a month IMO we are best off abandoning that sinking ship that is Off Topic to the rats infesting it and just starting a whole new Baseball Forum from scratch.

04-15-2002, 03:34 PM	#18
mtw All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 653	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ScottVib: <strong>What you are asking for would require (I think, again I don't know these things, just making a guess from how the game seems to be architectured) would be for each season to have n+1 fields (one for each team and one for the total) so that the game could save the stats for each team the player could possibly be on. To me the net gain of breaking up the stats by team presently isn't worth the cost of the added storage space and pain of programming it too only show stats for the teams the player played on (rather than a bunch of teams with 0 listed). In any event I suspect something like this is beyond the scope of a patch..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">While I would love to see a separate line for each team, I'd be very happy with just a separate line of stats for each league a player plays in, such that all teams in League 1 in one season and all teams in League 2 that player plays for are on a separate line. That would limit the number of lines needed and keep separate league stats separate, as in MLB. __________________ Over-Zealous Apologist

04-15-2002, 03:38 PM	#19
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	I agree about minor league stats and post-season stats taking priority, it is still a good idea though that should be considered for future versions of the game. __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

04-16-2002, 04:06 AM	#20
Ramzavail All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NY Posts: 618	Every link that was provided didnt work...so I couldnt see your point... but I will look in my league on my computer and report back.... although it was only one example, not overlooking the fact that I believe its a stat bug...its still not providing the stats properly..as we've all seen on a baseball card... another note, I do agree with minor league stats and playoff stats being a priority as well...but I would look at regular season stats more than minor league and playoff stats.