Just for a laugh......

[Left-handed Badger]

Reading the post in the How do you build your team thread got me thinking.........


......So how would Dusty Baker build his OOTP team.

[0-2, 2 BB]

Ugh.

9 Corey Pattersons?

I hate Dusty.

[AirmenSmith]

I'm going with him having Mark Prior and Kerry Wood. He can try and destroy them even more.

[Left-handed Badger]

Ok so far we have

Lineup: 9 Low-AVG Low-OBP guys with speed. Who dont "clog up the bases"

And.

Rotation. 2 injury proned starters whose innings should watched closely probably getting overworked.

Oh and I'll add.....


Rookies are bad.

[Alex Cross]

Also players with the magical ability to fail to put down a bunt and then hit a homerun on the next pitch. I'm not sure how he finds them. Maybe they're on a database somewhere.

[Carplos]

Don't forget players with skin capable of handling that summer heat!

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by Carplos

Don't forget players with skin capable of handling that summer heat!

Ouch.

[orwell]

Don't forget using one of your starters to pinch hit late in the game (not extra inning game, mind you) so he can SAC BUNT a guy over when you still have all of your real pinch *hitters* available on the bench. He just did that last night, which was real neat to watch. Fogg struck out on the bunt attempt, by the way.

What was really ironic is that Dusty's BFF Corey Patterson was on the bench and is a decent bunter, but was unused. Perhaps Dusty likes him so much he was "saving" him for later in the game?

Last night's game also featured one of most mind-numbingly stupid DPs I've ever seen, which was also neato.

[toxicavenger74]

Originally Posted by orwell

Don't forget using one of your starters to pinch hit late in the game (not extra inning game, mind you) so he can SAC BUNT a guy over when you still have all of your real pinch *hitters* available on the bench. He just did that last night, which was real neat to watch. Fogg struck out on the bunt attempt, by the way.

What was really ironic is that Dusty's BFF Corey Patterson was on the bench and is a decent bunter, but was unused. Perhaps Dusty likes him so much he was "saving" him for later in the game?

Last night's game also featured one of most mind-numbingly stupid DPs I've ever seen, which was also neato.

Well, I dislike Bakers management style also but if the goal is sacrifice someone over why would you waste a bat of the bench. Maybe Fogg wasn't the best pitcher to go with to bunt but if the guy is just going to bunt and get an out why waste the bat?

[orwell]

Originally Posted by toxicavenger74

Well, I dislike Bakers management style also but if the goal is sacrifice someone over why would you waste a bat of the bench. Maybe Fogg wasn't the best pitcher to go with to bunt but if the guy is just going to bunt and get an out why waste the bat?

I'm just thinking that for all of his other incompetence, Patterson is really fast and a decent bunter. In my view, with him on the bench (Patterson), and him hitting as bad as a pitcher anyway, you wouldn't really be "wasting" a bat off the bench. In fact, maybe with his speed you get lucky and he beats it out. Just seemed REALLY odd that Baker would send up a pitcher in that case. Remember, he hadn't used any PHs yet, if I remember correctly.

To be honest, I disagreed with the decision to bunt, period. I would have tried for a hit with a PH.

In general, I just think Baker is a mediocre manager with horrible lineup construction.

BTW "Toxic Avenger" is an excellent film!

[toxicavenger74]

Originally Posted by orwell

I'm just thinking that for all of his other incompetence, Patterson is really fast and a decent bunter. In my view, with him on the bench (Patterson), and him hitting as bad as a pitcher anyway, you wouldn't really be "wasting" a bat off the bench. In fact, maybe with his speed you get lucky and he beats it out. Just seemed REALLY odd that Baker would send up a pitcher in that case. Remember, he hadn't used any PHs yet, if I remember correctly.

To be honest, I disagreed with the decision to bunt, period. I would have tried for a hit with a PH.

In general, I just think Baker is a mediocre manager with horrible lineup construction.

BTW "Toxic Avenger" is an excellent film!

Yeah, agree on the bunting. If using a pitcher then there needs to be a very strong indicator that he is going to be as successful as a bench player good at bunting. I have to say that a few times I have duplicated the PH with a pitcher to bunt before to save on using my bench players.

I dislike Baker quite a bit but being a Cards fan I don't mind him at the helm of the Reds. Also, as a Reds fan you have to be concerned because know Jocketty is the GM and if he likes Baker, well then Baker has a job for life regardless of outcome.

On the lineup construction, I would agree there also. While I don't subsribe to this theory I have to throw it out there. Some will argue that line up construction doesn't matter or has little impact. But I can't get past the common sense of wanting to get your better players the most at bats.

The toxicavenger name comes from back in 1999 when I was in grad school studying bacterial toxins.

[Raidergoo]

Here's Dusty's Dream Team:

C Kenji Johjima
1B Carlos Delgado
2B Tadahito Iguchi
3B Adrian Beltre
SS Cesar Izturis
LF Juan Pierre
CF Corey Patterson
RF Gary Matthews Jr.

SP Edinson Volquez
SP Rich Harden
SP Scott Olsen
SP Justin Verlander
SP Fausto Carmona

MR Dave Weathers
MR LaTroy Hawkins
MR Doug Brocail
MR Trever Miller
MR Kerry Wood
MR Tom Gordon
CL Salomon Torres

C Chad Moeller
IF Aaron Boone
IF Maicer Izturis
IF So Taguchi
OF Jose Guillen
OF Eric Bruntlett

[toxicavenger74]

Somehow we need his son as a bat boy and JT Snow on the bench to rescue him.

[ELDoro]

Corey Patterson is a joke...and the fact the Baker still plays him and hes still on the Reds is an even bigger joke.

[bigdgp2]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

Here's Dusty's Dream Team:
SP Edinson Volquez
SP Rich Harden
SP Scott Olsen
SP Justin Verlander
SP Fausto Carmona

He loves his young-esque stud SPs. Unfortunately, he'll ruin their careers by having them pitch 120+ per start.

[orwell]

Originally Posted by toxicavenger74

Yeah, agree on the bunting. If using a pitcher then there needs to be a very strong indicator that he is going to be as successful as a bench player good at bunting. I have to say that a few times I have duplicated the PH with a pitcher to bunt before to save on using my bench players.

I dislike Baker quite a bit but being a Cards fan I don't mind him at the helm of the Reds. Also, as a Reds fan you have to be concerned because know Jocketty is the GM and if he likes Baker, well then Baker has a job for life regardless of outcome.

On the lineup construction, I would agree there also. While I don't subsribe to this theory I have to throw it out there. Some will argue that line up construction doesn't matter or has little impact. But I can't get past the common sense of wanting to get your better players the most at bats.

The toxicavenger name comes from back in 1999 when I was in grad school studying bacterial toxins.

I agree with you on lineup construction. I think it is obvious the more ABs you get for the guys with good production, the more it helps you, so stack them toward the top. Some pompous, 'roids-fuelled astrophysics study announced that it's good to bat your pitcher 8th, so I do that, just to look cool. I have no idea why it helps - you should like that, as your man LaRussa does that at times.

For the record, I hope the Cards catch the Cubs - or the Brewers. I don't think there's a chance in #### of our Dusty-helmed team of catching them.

[orwell]

Originally Posted by bigdgp2

He loves his young-esque stud SPs. Unfortunately, he'll ruin their careers by having them pitch 120+ per start.

That's ok - if he blows out Volquez' arm, he can keep him as a pinch-hit bunt specialist!

[toxicavenger74]

Originally Posted by orwell

I agree with you on lineup construction. I think it is obvious the more ABs you get for the guys with good production, the more it helps you, so stack them toward the top. Some pompous, 'roids-fuelled astrophysics study announced that it's good to bat your pitcher 8th, so I do that, just to look cool. I have no idea why it helps - you should like that, as your man LaRussa does that at times.

For the record, I hope the Cards catch the Cubs - or the Brewers. I don't think there's a chance in #### of our Dusty-helmed team of catching them.

However, Jocketty is a good GM, I hated to see him go but at the same time it was time for a change. He's not a big sabermetric guy, likes to get estabished pitchers. The Mulder for Haren trade pretty much ended his time here even though he stayed for sometime after. The organization overall saw this as a tipping point that indicated the organization needed to overhaul how they scout and build a team. Now the Cards are a sabermetric ran at the GM, player development and scout levels.

For the record, the whole batting the pitcher 8th thing was just what LaRussa wanted to do, it had nothing to do with any stats. Matter of fact he blew up on a reporter who early in the season asked him if this theory is true then why is Isturis batting 9th when his career Avg and OBP were worse than some of the pitchers. If your worst hitter is suppose to bat 8th according to LaRussa then Cesar should have been hitting 8th and the pitcher 9th.

[orwell]

Originally Posted by toxicavenger74

However, Jocketty is a good GM, I hated to see him go but at the same time it was time for a change. He's not a big sabermetric guy, likes to get estabished pitchers. The Mulder for Haren trade pretty much ended his time here even though he stayed for sometime after. The organization overall saw this as a tipping point that indicated the organization needed to overhaul how they scout and build a team. Now the Cards are a sabermetric ran at the GM, player development and scout levels.

For the record, the whole batting the pitcher 8th thing was just what LaRussa wanted to do, it had nothing to do with any stats. Matter of fact he blew up on a reporter who early in the season asked him if this theory is true then why is Isturis batting 9th when his career Avg and OBP were worse than some of the pitchers. If your worst hitter is suppose to bat 8th according to LaRussa then Cesar should have been hitting 8th and the pitcher 9th.

I know LaRussa has done that for a long time. This was another study, had nothing to do with LaRussa. Some cat ran some kind of NASA/Big Blue mainframe, it probably contributed to global warming and left a carbon footprint the size of Barry Bonds' and Mark McGuire's combined heads. Anyway, it revealed that you should bat your pitcher 8th. I read it online.

Probably, it will produce one extra run over a million years. But, like I said, I do it just to look sophisticated.

I remember there was talk we'd get LaRussa. I would rather have him than the toothpick chomper. But I don't blame everything on Baker. There's only so much you can do with people who hit .225 but stay around because "chicks dig the long ball."

[Left-handed Badger]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

Here's Dusty's Dream Team:

C Kenji Johjima
1B Carlos Delgado
2B Tadahito Iguchi
3B Adrian Beltre
SS Cesar Izturis
LF Juan Pierre
CF Corey Patterson
RF Gary Matthews Jr.

SP Edinson Volquez
SP Rich Harden
SP Scott Olsen
SP Justin Verlander
SP Fausto Carmona

MR Dave Weathers
MR LaTroy Hawkins
MR Doug Brocail
MR Trever Miller
MR Kerry Wood
MR Tom Gordon
CL Salomon Torres

C Chad Moeller
IF Aaron Boone
IF Maicer Izturis
IF So Taguchi
OF Jose Guillen
OF Eric Bruntlett

Not sure if Delgado would work. He does get decent BB totals. He'd just clog the bases.