Pitchers as position players

AZTarHeel · 07-21-2008, 01:33 AM

Just curious how OOTP9 handles this... I just imported a new dynasty to start in 1877, and the winningest pitcher to that point is listed as a first baseman. I know he still has some pitching juice still left in him ... just curious if these types of players can do both or if we have to manually do anything ... thanks...

Simon_Nesbit · 07-21-2008, 08:59 AM

In my experience

Dual players will only improve in the area they are listed at. Pitchers improve VERY quickly to talent levels regardless of age (15yo 2/2/2 became a 16yo 7/8/7). Hitters don't tend to improve until 19 or later.

Listed as hitter, will only pitch about 50% of expected innings before becoming "tired", but will make 450+ AB in a season. AI will only place in line-up, will remove from pitching chart, however will use over any other hitter if run out of pitchers.

Listed as a pitcher, will take one extra day to recover, but can pitch as expected. Will make 350-400 AB in a season (won't play day after pitching it seems). You really should list your pitcher as DH (if it runs), otherwise he's playing two positions at once. Unlike 6.5 it won't crash your game, but it's not really fair.

If you could only have players develop according to statistics (not completely based upon or limited to their preferred positional rating)....

AZTarHeel · 07-21-2008, 03:17 PM

Thanks Simon, good info ... isn't there a setting with OOTP9 that you can check that will automatically change the players position to what they actually played that year? Wonder if that would affect anything?

The league I'm planning I just want to be the commish, start in the 1870s and let things play out. But I noticed that Albert Spalding for example (who won 253 games as a pitcher) was listed as a 1B. The team he was on only had a few pitchers (I imported in 1877) but didn't seem to use him at all on the mound ... I'd like to find a way for him to pitch and play in the field as well ... maybe I should set him to SP instead of 1B?

StyxNCa · 07-21-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AZTarHeel

Thanks Simon, good info ... isn't there a setting with OOTP9 that you can check that will automatically change the players position to what they actually played that year? Wonder if that would affect anything?

The league I'm planning I just want to be the commish, start in the 1870s and let things play out. But I noticed that Albert Spalding for example (who won 253 games as a pitcher) was listed as a 1B. The team he was on only had a few pitchers (I imported in 1877) but didn't seem to use him at all on the mound ... I'd like to find a way for him to pitch and play in the field as well ... maybe I should set him to SP instead of 1B?

I use the option to base things on a player's real stats however it must not work with defense. I have players whose position the computer sets them at has no bearing with reality. Some catcher from 1969, a backup, who played no other position in his career other than catcher was given the position LF for some reason.

07-21-2008, 01:33 AM	#1
AZTarHeel All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,732	Pitchers as position players Just curious how OOTP9 handles this... I just imported a new dynasty to start in 1877, and the winningest pitcher to that point is listed as a first baseman. I know he still has some pitching juice still left in him ... just curious if these types of players can do both or if we have to manually do anything ... thanks... __________________ Current Dynasties Baseball's Rebirth in the Old North State (1945-) The Tobacco State League: A Summer With the Red Springs Red Robins From the Way-Back Machine (WAY old dynasty stories): The Steve Victory Story: Tournament Dreams College Basketball! Baseball In The Tar Heel State: A Fictional Experience The Arizona League: Real Players. Fictional Teams

07-21-2008, 03:17 PM	#3
AZTarHeel All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,732	Thanks Simon, good info ... isn't there a setting with OOTP9 that you can check that will automatically change the players position to what they actually played that year? Wonder if that would affect anything? The league I'm planning I just want to be the commish, start in the 1870s and let things play out. But I noticed that Albert Spalding for example (who won 253 games as a pitcher) was listed as a 1B. The team he was on only had a few pitchers (I imported in 1877) but didn't seem to use him at all on the mound ... I'd like to find a way for him to pitch and play in the field as well ... maybe I should set him to SP instead of 1B? __________________ Current Dynasties Baseball's Rebirth in the Old North State (1945-) The Tobacco State League: A Summer With the Red Springs Red Robins From the Way-Back Machine (WAY old dynasty stories): The Steve Victory Story: Tournament Dreams College Basketball! Baseball In The Tar Heel State: A Fictional Experience The Arizona League: Real Players. Fictional Teams

07-21-2008, 08:59 AM	#2
Simon_Nesbit Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 260	In my experience Dual players will only improve in the area they are listed at. Pitchers improve VERY quickly to talent levels regardless of age (15yo 2/2/2 became a 16yo 7/8/7). Hitters don't tend to improve until 19 or later. Listed as hitter, will only pitch about 50% of expected innings before becoming "tired", but will make 450+ AB in a season. AI will only place in line-up, will remove from pitching chart, however will use over any other hitter if run out of pitchers. Listed as a pitcher, will take one extra day to recover, but can pitch as expected. Will make 350-400 AB in a season (won't play day after pitching it seems). You really should list your pitcher as DH (if it runs), otherwise he's playing two positions at once. Unlike 6.5 it won't crash your game, but it's not really fair. If you could only have players develop according to statistics (not completely based upon or limited to their preferred positional rating)....