Original, wonderful, somewhat quirky unconventional features for a league?

[Long_Long_Name]

I want to start a league, and I want it to be special. REALLY special. I want it to have unique features, things that woud make it different from anything else around.

I've already thought about separating the executive of a team in 3 different positions: owner, GM and manager. Also, there would be people acting as a particular team' fan base, that kind of things. That way, people can be in a league and play a smaller role, leaving them more time for their other leagues.

That's just an idea, I'm looking for other ideas like these, things that would make a league really stand out. If you want to help out, write some ideas, PM me, and you can always "join" me in this "adventure", I'd be really happy

Also, if ootp-leagues is still taking applications, I'd like to get hosted there, so I'd like to have some order IDs. Otherwise, finding a host can be hard... anyways it's an uphill battle for me, but I'm ready to do anything I can to make it work

[Juvydriver]

I like the idea of seperating the executive role, but I think it would need to be 2 positions at the most.

1) Owner/GM

2) Manager

I don't think an "Owner" on his own would have much to do, since it's not really his money.

Good luck with the league though.

[Long_Long_Name]

I actually would've thought the owner would have the biggest job to do, having to deal with me, the evil-minded commissioner .

Actually I beleive the manager would have the smallest job to do (re-assigning players, doing the lineups). I'm open to changing the formula, I was just aiming primarily toward the separation itself, details can be discussed later.

I'd also have somebody represent the fans of a city, so that let's say there are trade talks going on, the fans would have something to say.



Hey I' still ready to listen to some new ideas that you'd like to see implied in a league

[Juvydriver]

The first time I read the post about having "fans" I thought to myself, "That's a pretty stupid idea." But after thinking about it, and reading your second post, I think it is pretty cool.

They could complain if a certain guy wasn't playing much or if a team wasn't trying to win they could have an impact on attendance and fan loyalty. They could definately have an impact on trade talks and how that went. I really like that idea now. LOL

[WWBL Commissioner]

I wonder with such limited involvment if your different people would stick around or if you would have a maaive amount of turnover

[Long_Long_Name]

I see what you mean WWBL, and that is one of my concerns. That's why I'm talking about it here first, to see if people would be interested and possibly sticking around.

I'm planning on setting up an active message board and a Coranto newspaper (if I can get a server that allows it), and if you have any ideas on how to keep people active, you can always suggest it to me, all suggestions are welcomed .

[ATLANTABRAVES2002FAN]

Well, I would really want in on this if you started it. This is the best idead I've ever heard for a league good job long_long_name.

[Long_Long_Name]

Thanks BravesFan! Do you have anything to add to this idea that might enhance it?

[WWBL Commissioner]

Originally posted by Long_Long_Name
I see what you mean WWBL, and that is one of my concerns. That's why I'm talking about it here first, to see if people would be interested and possibly sticking around.

I'm planning on setting up an active message board and a Coranto newspaper (if I can get a server that allows it), and if you have any ideas on how to keep people active, you can always suggest it to me, all suggestions are welcomed .

I first thought it that alot of people would be sitting on their hands during the off season process. You are going to need to find ways to involve the "fans" and "managers" in the Ammy and free agent process.
I think it will be harder to keep the "fan" involved than the manager.

[JAttractive]

Personally I love the idea of being creative but I worry you may have too many people involved and are going to run into too many complications if you aren't careful. However I wouldn't completely give up on these ideas either but rather I suggest you take it slowly is all.

I am not quite sure what you have in mind for each role but to start, if I were running this league, I would have only two people involved per team and see how things go. Get some hype going for your league and get everyone firmly in place, understanding the rules and requirements, and then once things go smoothly I would consider expanding step by step until you think you have reached the ideal number of people. See how each role is working out and where another person could fit in for each team.

Perhaps start out by having one guy act as GM/manager and another act as the owner/fan giving his opinions and such. If you find that one of those two roles can be divided up after a season or two and you have enough people interested in taking the role then you could go through the process far more smoothly than trying to get a whole whack of people on the same page from the start.

Whatever you do this is a fine idea and it is definitely something I would look to be a part of it.

[Long_Long_Name]

Jattractive, thanks a lot for your post. You're right, maybe merging some positions is a good idea to get the league started. About what I had in mind for each position...

Owner: everything about the money, the franchise itself, hiring/firing GM/coach, that kind of things.

GM: trades, drafts, FA signings, etc.

Coach: reassigning, lineups

Fans: no "real" power, but tries to influence the 3 mentioned above.




This is, roughly, what I had in mind. It can change, you can always give me suggestions and I'll take them into account.

The coach/GM/owner/fan idea is ONLY one idea that came through my mind while mowing the lawn yesterday (seriously...), I'd like to hear other suggestions you might have (thus the thread's subject line...)

[MannyTrillo]

Here's another idea:

Start the league with a location "draft," where each owner chooses a city for his team, allowing cities to have more than one team. Afterwards, assign initial market size based on both the population of the city chosen, and how close the team is to other teams... so, for example, if only one team picks New York, they would have a "huge" market. But if someone else also picks New York, both teams would have a smaller market size.

If there was a team in some place like Phoenix, they would probably be "below average," unless there ended up being no other teams in the southwestern US... then they could get upgraded to "above average."

If you combine something like this with some creative rules about franchise relocation, I think it would be a neat addition.

As far as the other stuff goes, it does sound neat but I agree that it might be difficult to keep people interested... for that reason, I would suggest starting small, maybe 16 teams, and seeing how it goes from there.

[Long_Long_Name]

I've done something similar to the franchise thing you suggested (the only thing is I added some stadium realism about the city) and it didn't quite work well. I also tried to put different kinds of team ownerships (public, corporate, etc.) and though it's complicated, I might be ready to try it again (still with me Nick? ).

One thing that I strongly advise people against is bidding wars.... man that's too complicated to work correctly . A FA draft using bidding war might be possible, but not an initial draft.

[crackpott]

Get your ass on ICQ and I'll talk to you about this... I'd be quite willing to be involved

Seriously, I can probably help you find the flaws/benefits and give you some extra ideas.

[Long_Long_Name]

You'll see me sooner or later on ICQ crackpott, don't worry

Not only are you willing to be involved, but you don't much of a choice if you want to keep your almighty J-M agent

[ey215]

I love these ideas!

Here's a suggestion for you. Instead of having "Fans" have "Local Press".

The local press would be responsible for writing articles and covering their local team. It would be a good place for parties that would be interested in joining the league to start out.

After showing their knowledge and their involvement "Owners" could hire these people as their GM or Manager.

I also like the idea of a location draft. It sounds like a great way of deciding market sizes.

I'm interested in helping out and joining this league!

[Long_Long_Name]

As for markets, I will probably decide them, it'll cut down on a number of problems. I'd like to do something original for team locations, too (My 1st idea was to take different districts of one city, most likely Montréal since it's the only one I know. Could also create a fictional land or something. If it was to be more "regular" I would probably pick all teams in the Great Lakes region).

Local press... that would be an idea. I still would like to setup a newspaper (Coranto) so that everyone could contribute. That was a fan could voice his opinion as a fan, and not necessarily as a journalist. I guess in the end it'll probably be about the same.

As for owners hiring/firing GM/coaches, we'll wait for that... we'll have enough trouble finding enough people just to fill the league in the 1st place that this is a luxury I hope we'll have someday

By the way, I'm still looking for a server. I'm not sure ootp-leagues is still taking applications, but if they are I'd like to have 12 order IDs.

[NickG]

Originally posted by Long_Long_Name
I've done something similar to the franchise thing you suggested (the only thing is I added some stadium realism about the city) and it didn't quite work well. I also tried to put different kinds of team ownerships (public, corporate, etc.) and though it's complicated, I might be ready to try it again (still with me Nick? ).

Right here .

It's an interesting system; I'm definitely curious to see if this can be successful.

[ey215]

Originally posted by Long_Long_Name
As for owners hiring/firing GM/coaches, we'll wait for that... we'll have enough trouble finding enough people just to fill the league in the 1st place that this is a luxury I hope we'll have someday

By the way, I'm still looking for a server. I'm not sure ootp-leagues is still taking applications, but if they are I'd like to have 12 order IDs.

Let me clarify...

I feel that the Fans or Press or whatever anyone wishes to call them is the ideal place for placing people that would normally be on a waiting list. By giving them some involvement with either a specific team or within the league you are more likely to get active GM/Manager types.

Obviously it would be something that would not be immediate. Filling the positions that are available would be the first goal but in a league with an intriguing and interesting idea I would imagine eventually, with work, the league would have a lengthy waiting list.

[Long_Long_Name]

I agree with you. However, I don't think a lenghty waiting list will be necessary for us. I mean, if you take 4 positions per team (owner, GM, coach, fan/press), a 16-team league would have 64 people involved. That's pretty bad...