What I think is going to be baseball's most memorable moment...(A theory)

One51 · 10-19-2002, 09:34 PM

I'mnot sure if this might have been said. It's been a while since I've been here.

I think that it will be Jackie Robinson's color barrior moment to win.

Not because I want it, or even because it'll get the most votes. I just think that it will win because it's been rigged to win since day 1. I honestly don't think of that as a memorable moment. I just think that there will be gripes and other problems if it isn't that.

Anyone else think something like that's gonna happen...

Jason Moyer · 10-20-2002, 12:15 AM

I would guess that it's either Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier or something really lame and recent, like Ichiro's rookie year.

Jason

thome25 · 10-20-2002, 01:51 AM

I'm not sure it will be Robinson.

I think it depends on the criteria people voted on. Personally I voted it first, and furthermore it was the only moment I voted for that technically can't be memorable for me (I wasn't born and I certainly didn't follow baseball).

However, I think Robinson's rookie year is something that transcends the sport, and thus to call it MLB's most memorable moment may not be entirely accurate. I would guess many people voted for something that is clearly a baseball moment, like Maz's homer, McGwire and Sosa's 1998 or DiMaggio's streak. I can see why many people would see what Robinson did as having social and political significance far ahead of its baseball impact and thus feel it's not really suitable as a Major League Baseball memorable moment.

I guess i'm coming from an antithetical point of view here, that is i'd like Robinson to take the most memorable moment but i'm really not sure he will. I think McGwire and Sosa will definitely rank pretty high as will Mazeroski and Ted Williams (the tributes after his passing earlier this year should've served to elevate that a fair bit in people's minds).

And if you want a dead certainty, Carl Hubbell's All-Star game will be nowhere to be seen

slackmeisterPA · 10-20-2002, 11:54 AM

ESPN had a really good article (I think it was ESPN) about how nearly two thirds of the moments were from something like the past twenty years. I read the article during the summer, so I could be way off base, but I think it was something like that. Also, that some "moments", like Ichiro, weren't even moments, but a full season. It really was not much of a contest.

How exactly are they going to choose a winner? Was there a vote?

spleen1015 · 10-20-2002, 02:01 PM

Fans vote.

holyroller · 10-21-2002, 03:54 AM

It's a complete joke and, personaly, I could care less about it.

Long_Long_Name · 10-21-2002, 02:11 PM

Why do we always talk about Jackie Robinson and not the first so-called "black" athletes in other pro sports? This is one of the reasons why I think it's pretty stupid (along with my other arguments I posted in other threads).

JML · 10-21-2002, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by Long_Long_Name
Why do we always talk about Jackie Robinson and not the first so-called "black" athletes in other pro sports? This is one of the reasons why I think it's pretty stupid (along with my other arguments I posted in other threads).

Because Robinson was the first black athlete in ANY major sport, though technically other blacks played baseball in the 1800's before they were banned. Understand that Robinson breaking through is considered by many the beginning of the civil rights movement.

That said, I agree that Robinson's acheivement transcends the sport, and I would not consider it just a baseball moment. Something more specific to the game should win.

Edit- I'm with HR though. This is a lame attempt to draw in fans. Was anyone else extremely sour towards the "Moment" commercials when we were in the midst of strike talks and steroid rumors? They made me sick. I really think that MLB dreamed this thing up because they knew a possible strike would be pi**ing off a lot of baseball fans.

spleen1015 · 10-21-2002, 02:58 PM

I have a read a few things where MLB gets criticized because they don't market today's product, but the product of the best. I love baseball history it's one of the things that draw me to the sport. The NFL is this country's sport now and I think that's because the market today's game and not yesterday's. You didn't see an NFL All Century team.

Long_Long_Name · 10-21-2002, 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by spleen1015
You didn't see an NFL All Century team.

You can't really compare, in my opinion. The NFL has been around for what, 35 years? Major League Baseball's been around for 100 years, you can truly have an all-century team instead of an all-1/3 of a century team. Plus, we know the QBs, but offensive line players aren't as famous. In baseball, wether you're a second baseman or a catcher doesn't really matter as far as fame is concerned, see what I mean?

spleen1015 · 10-21-2002, 03:49 PM

Yeah, but don't you think that maybe MLB uses the past too often to promote the sport?

Long_Long_Name · 10-21-2002, 03:59 PM

I only think so in the Yankees' case and Mazeroski. Besides these two, I don,t think it promotes the past that much... besides, with the most memorable moments, you get 3 events from last year, so is it really promoting the past?

Or you have to understand the fact that MLB is ran by a bunch of conservative shmos, which it is.

Erich Ingram · 10-21-2002, 04:23 PM

Just as long as the Ripken consecutive games played game doesn't win I will be happy. I can't believe that has received so many votes. I mean please, to laud the man for doing his job every day as the greatest moment in sports is a joke, especially when he didn't play generally from October through March in games. Granted he did go to the Series early in his career and made the Playoffs after that at least once more, I just can't be impressed by a guy not skipping a day of "work" for 162 times a year. That still leaves 163 or 164 days that he is not at "work". Yes he is working out and playing Spring Training games during some of those games but even still that better not be the winner.

I wouldn't have a problem with Bobby Thomson's homer or Willie Mays' catch or something like winning but don't make it that Ripken game.

Batter UP · 10-21-2002, 07:36 PM

I really have no problem with Jackie Robinson's first season in the majors being voted as the most memorable moment.

Jake · 10-23-2002, 07:42 AM

The biggest moment for me was Kirk Gibson's HR off the unhittable Eckersley in the '88 World Series.

Having watched the whole playoffs that year, I woulda bet everything I had that the A's were gonna sweep the Dodgers.

When Gibson limped up to the plate, we were wondering what the hell was he doing there, he couldn't even walk. Then he stunned the whole room, I still can't believe it. The Dodgers used that mojo to win the series.

Jack Buck "....this is gonna be a home run. <crowd goes nuts> I can't believe what I just saw."

OldGiants · 10-23-2002, 12:18 PM

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Originally posted by Long_Long_Name
You can't really compare, in my opinion. The NFL has been around for what, 35 years?

How ludicrous. What are you, twelve years old?

The NFL started in 1920 and published a 75-year team on that anniversary.

Further, there were several black stars in the early days of pro football, including Rutgers all-american Paul Robeson who went on to be an internationally honored singer and actor, and civil rights leader.

there were black boxers during this time, too, and that was the second most popular pro sport prior to WWII.

lynchjm24 · 10-23-2002, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by Rolen17
Just as long as the Ripken consecutive games played game doesn't win I will be happy. I can't believe that has received so many votes. I mean please, to laud the man for doing his job every day as the greatest moment in sports is a joke, especially when he didn't play generally from October through March in games. Granted he did go to the Series early in his career and made the Playoffs after that at least once more, I just can't be impressed by a guy not skipping a day of "work" for 162 times a year. That still leaves 163 or 164 days that he is not at "work". Yes he is working out and playing Spring Training games during some of those games but even still that better not be the winner.

I wouldn't have a problem with Bobby Thomson's homer or Willie Mays' catch or something like winning but don't make it that Ripken game.

Your current leader according the the AP in fan voting.

Cal Ripken's Game Streak.

I hate Cal Ripken - we had a huge argument the other night watching Game 1 of the WS. I hate that guy and I always will.

Crapshoot · 10-23-2002, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by lynchjm24
Your current leader according the the AP in fan voting.

Cal Ripken's Game Streak.

I hate Cal Ripken - we had a huge argument the other night watching Game 1 of the WS. I hate that guy and I always will.

damn lynchjim24, its scary how much I agree with you....
are you sure you aren't some alias I created in another dimension somewhere ?...

I think Ripken while a great player, was the worst 3b in baseball his last 2 years, and one of the worst regulars in the 2 years before that. Furthermore, for every idiot who thinks he was a great guy, he used to check into different hotels, take different flights, and generally have different arrangements from the rest of the Orioles. If Bonds or Sosa does it, they're arrogant non"team" players.. but hey Ripken needed his privacy so it was"okay"

Long_Long_Name · 10-23-2002, 07:14 PM

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Originally posted by OldGiants
How ludicrous. What are you, twelve years old?

The NFL started in 1920 and published a 75-year team on that anniversary

I thought the NFL as we know it was created in the late 60's with the merging of the NFC and AFC, looks like I was wrong. ANd no I'm not 12 years old, I'm just Canadian and not a big NFL fan.

twins15 · 10-23-2002, 08:51 PM

Number 1 Moment: Cal Ripken's Streak. Jackie Robinson was 3rd. Number 2 was Hank Aaron's HR Record.

10-19-2002, 09:34 PM	#1
One51 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 49	What I think is going to be baseball's most memorable moment...(A theory) I'mnot sure if this might have been said. It's been a while since I've been here. I think that it will be Jackie Robinson's color barrior moment to win. Not because I want it, or even because it'll get the most votes. I just think that it will win because it's been rigged to win since day 1. I honestly don't think of that as a memorable moment. I just think that there will be gripes and other problems if it isn't that. Anyone else think something like that's gonna happen...

10-20-2002, 12:15 AM	#2
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,106	I would guess that it's either Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier or something really lame and recent, like Ichiro's rookie year. Jason __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

10-21-2002, 03:54 AM	#6
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10-21-2002, 02:11 PM	#7
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	Why do we always talk about Jackie Robinson and not the first so-called "black" athletes in other pro sports? This is one of the reasons why I think it's pretty stupid (along with my other arguments I posted in other threads). __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

10-21-2002, 03:59 PM	#12
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	I only think so in the Yankees' case and Mazeroski. Besides these two, I don,t think it promotes the past that much... besides, with the most memorable moments, you get 3 events from last year, so is it really promoting the past? Or you have to understand the fact that MLB is ran by a bunch of conservative shmos, which it is. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

10-20-2002, 01:51 AM	#3
thome25 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: State College, PA Posts: 56	I'm not sure it will be Robinson. I think it depends on the criteria people voted on. Personally I voted it first, and furthermore it was the only moment I voted for that technically can't be memorable for me (I wasn't born and I certainly didn't follow baseball). However, I think Robinson's rookie year is something that transcends the sport, and thus to call it MLB's most memorable moment may not be entirely accurate. I would guess many people voted for something that is clearly a baseball moment, like Maz's homer, McGwire and Sosa's 1998 or DiMaggio's streak. I can see why many people would see what Robinson did as having social and political significance far ahead of its baseball impact and thus feel it's not really suitable as a Major League Baseball memorable moment. I guess i'm coming from an antithetical point of view here, that is i'd like Robinson to take the most memorable moment but i'm really not sure he will. I think McGwire and Sosa will definitely rank pretty high as will Mazeroski and Ted Williams (the tributes after his passing earlier this year should've served to elevate that a fair bit in people's minds). And if you want a dead certainty, Carl Hubbell's All-Star game will be nowhere to be seen

10-20-2002, 11:54 AM	#4
slackmeisterPA Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 275	ESPN had a really good article (I think it was ESPN) about how nearly two thirds of the moments were from something like the past twenty years. I read the article during the summer, so I could be way off base, but I think it was something like that. Also, that some "moments", like Ichiro, weren't even moments, but a full season. It really was not much of a contest. How exactly are they going to choose a winner? Was there a vote?

10-20-2002, 02:01 PM	#5
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,008	Fans vote.

10-21-2002, 02:58 PM	#9
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,008	I have a read a few things where MLB gets criticized because they don't market today's product, but the product of the best. I love baseball history it's one of the things that draw me to the sport. The NFL is this country's sport now and I think that's because the market today's game and not yesterday's. You didn't see an NFL All Century team.

10-21-2002, 03:49 PM	#11
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,008	Yeah, but don't you think that maybe MLB uses the past too often to promote the sport?

10-21-2002, 04:23 PM	#13
Erich Ingram Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,217	Just as long as the Ripken consecutive games played game doesn't win I will be happy. I can't believe that has received so many votes. I mean please, to laud the man for doing his job every day as the greatest moment in sports is a joke, especially when he didn't play generally from October through March in games. Granted he did go to the Series early in his career and made the Playoffs after that at least once more, I just can't be impressed by a guy not skipping a day of "work" for 162 times a year. That still leaves 163 or 164 days that he is not at "work". Yes he is working out and playing Spring Training games during some of those games but even still that better not be the winner. I wouldn't have a problem with Bobby Thomson's homer or Willie Mays' catch or something like winning but don't make it that Ripken game. __________________ Erich Ingram (Rolen17) IOSBL San Diego Aztecs 2010, 2012,2013, 2014 World Series Champions Maelstrom Padres 2026 World Champions eMLB Washington Nationals

10-21-2002, 07:36 PM	#14
Batter UP Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 102	I really have no problem with Jackie Robinson's first season in the majors being voted as the most memorable moment.

10-23-2002, 07:42 AM	#15
Jake Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 55	The biggest moment for me was Kirk Gibson's HR off the unhittable Eckersley in the '88 World Series. Having watched the whole playoffs that year, I woulda bet everything I had that the A's were gonna sweep the Dodgers. When Gibson limped up to the plate, we were wondering what the hell was he doing there, he couldn't even walk. Then he stunned the whole room, I still can't believe it. The Dodgers used that mojo to win the series. Jack Buck "....this is gonna be a home run. <crowd goes nuts> I can't believe what I just saw."

10-23-2002, 08:51 PM	#20
twins15 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Area 51 Posts: 4,792	Number 1 Moment: Cal Ripken's Streak. Jackie Robinson was 3rd. Number 2 was Hank Aaron's HR Record. __________________ "Ah man we're just hungry man" - Dovonte Edwards Bismarck Boy Scouts of the OTBL - league yes-man Ross Gload at baseball-reference.com Book Quotes and Book Lists