First OOTP 8 Sim With MLB Quickstart

Neags23 · 12-10-2007, 03:50 PM

Even though I own 2007, I decided to send in a $6 donation to OOTP Dev. and get a couple of new licenses in exchange.

I don't play with 'real' rosters, but since OOTP 8 came with them, I decided to sim 2007 and see what happened.

Here are the top 10 things I learned from OOTP 8 with the MLB Quickstart:

1. The Yankees dominated, winning 116 games and the WS in 6 over the Phils.

2. Brian McCann of the Braves led the majors in BA, hitting .366. (

)

3. The Indians won the AL Central. The Rockies won the NL West. (Good job predicting those two).

4. Bonds gets stuck at 751 homers (

)

5. Joe Saunders (?!) won the NL ERA crown with a 2.46 ERA.

6. A lot of managerial firings. St. Louis cans LaRussa, The Twins fired Gardenhire, The ChiSox fired Guillen, The BoSox sacked Francona, The Dodgers got rid of Little, the Giants went through 2 managers.

7. A lot of GM firings, too. Dodgers, Cardinals, Pirates, Astros, Cubs, Nats, Phils, Mets, Marlins, Braves, A's, Tigers, White Sox, Blue Jays, Yankees, Red Sox, Orioles. Wow, that is a LOT of GM firings. What's going on there?

8. HOF inductions included Sosa, Piazza, Randy Johnson, Junior Griffey, and Clemens.

9. Brandon Webb wins the NL Cy Young, Mariano Rivera wins AL Cy Young. ARod wins AL MVP, David Wright NL MVP.

10. I really really really really like the simming screen with the standings on the left, news in the middle, leaders on the right. Keeping my fingers crossed this is an attainable screen in OOTP 9!!!

Kelric · 12-10-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Neags23

10. I really really really really like the simming screen with the standings on the left, news in the middle, leaders on the right.

They brought that back? I might have to send along my $6 as well.

Kaitiaki · 12-10-2007, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelric

They brought that back? I might have to send along my $6 as well.

You know it's in OOTP2007, right?

- Kai

Neags23 · 12-10-2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelric

They brought that back? I might have to send along my $6 as well.

Well, it's in there, but only while simming. You can't get to it and just hold it at that point and peruse.

Kelric · 12-10-2007, 04:44 PM

Yes, Kai, I do. While simming, only. I misinterpreted the post in my initial excitement. Buzz off.

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Originally Posted by Neags23

Well, it's in there, but only while simming. You can't get to it and just hold it at that point and peruse.

Damn, I got excited and just thought of it being a regular screen. Reading is important, kids.

Anisoptera · 12-11-2007, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Neags23

6. A lot of managerial firings. St. Louis cans LaRussa, The Twins fired Gardenhire, The ChiSox fired Guillen, The BoSox sacked Francona, The Dodgers got rid of Little, the Giants went through 2 managers.

7. A lot of GM firings, too. Dodgers, Cardinals, Pirates, Astros, Cubs, Nats, Phils, Mets, Marlins, Braves, A's, Tigers, White Sox, Blue Jays, Yankees, Red Sox, Orioles. Wow, that is a LOT of GM firings. What's going on there?

So I guess I'm not crazy when I think the firing algorithms need to be tweaked a tiny wee bit, eh?

Raidergoo · 12-11-2007, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Anisoptera

So I guess I'm not crazy when I think the firing algorithms need to be tweaked a tiny wee bit, eh?

How much money did these teams lose, if any?

ctorg · 12-11-2007, 01:12 PM

The high rate of firings is something I've found pretty unrealistic about the game, though it's something I don't pay much attention to, so I never really bring it up. I assume it's like that so that there are ample opportunities for human managers, but it would be nice if there would at least be an option to turn it down a notch or three.

Neags23 · 12-11-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

How much money did these teams lose, if any?

Hmm... actually, every team in the league lost money except for 6. And none of those 6 were fired. Some lost a LOT of money. The Giants lost over a hundred thirty million. Orioles 80 million.

Interesting. I wonder if the salary/attendance adjustment is off a bit here. Or maybe the media contracts should be adjusted. I'll have to look into it a little further.

The Wolf · 12-11-2007, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Neags23

The Giants lost over a hundred thirty million. Orioles 80 million.

They lost $130M but did not fire their GM? What's up with that?

Kronos · 12-12-2007, 03:39 PM

Anyone else notice attendance numbers take a dive going forward from 2007?

The Rockies won the 08 world series while drawing 700k in fans and losing eighty million dollars

pstrickert · 12-13-2007, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Neags23

Even though I own 2007, I decided to send in a $6 donation to OOTP Dev. and get a couple of new licenses in exchange.

I don't play with 'real' rosters, but since OOTP 8 came with them, I decided to sim 2007 and see what happened.

Here are the top 10 things I learned from OOTP 8 with the MLB Quickstart:

1. The Yankees dominated, winning 116 games and the WS in 6 over the Phils.

2. Brian McCann of the Braves led the majors in BA, hitting .366. (

)

3. The Indians won the AL Central. The Rockies won the NL West. (Good job predicting those two).

4. Bonds gets stuck at 751 homers (

)

5. Joe Saunders (?!) won the NL ERA crown with a 2.46 ERA.

6. A lot of managerial firings. St. Louis cans LaRussa, The Twins fired Gardenhire, The ChiSox fired Guillen, The BoSox sacked Francona, The Dodgers got rid of Little, the Giants went through 2 managers.

7. A lot of GM firings, too. Dodgers, Cardinals, Pirates, Astros, Cubs, Nats, Phils, Mets, Marlins, Braves, A's, Tigers, White Sox, Blue Jays, Yankees, Red Sox, Orioles. Wow, that is a LOT of GM firings. What's going on there?

8. HOF inductions included Sosa, Piazza, Randy Johnson, Junior Griffey, and Clemens.

9. Brandon Webb wins the NL Cy Young, Mariano Rivera wins AL Cy Young. ARod wins AL MVP, David Wright NL MVP.

10. I really really really really like the simming screen with the standings on the left, news in the middle, leaders on the right. Keeping my fingers crossed this is an attainable screen in OOTP 9!!!

I simmed the 2007 season last night (injuries LOW and trade frequency LOW) with the MLB Quickstart. Worst record in baseball: Boston Red Sox. Total stats for teams looked quite reasonable, though. The leagues were tilted a bit toward pitching rather than hitting. Overall, HRs were slightly below RL totals -- except for Ryan Howard. He easily won the Triple Crown by hitting .345 with 80 HRs and 185 RBIs. The runner up in the HR race hit only 45 HRs. I know it's only one sim, but I don't find that credible.

Raidergoo · 12-13-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kronos

Anyone else notice attendance numbers take a dive going forward from 2007?

The Rockies won the 08 world series while drawing 700k in fans and losing eighty million dollars

This is a known issue with attendance and finances in the first year for the roster set.

How does attendance and $$$ look after that?

Raidergoo · 12-13-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

The leagues were tilted a bit toward pitching rather than hitting.

For a very long time, the output resembled 1967 instead of 2007.

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

Ryan Howard...

This is what happens when a Phillies phan makes a roster set.

NomarHits400 · 12-13-2007, 09:33 PM

I put this in the mods section as well- but thought it might be good to stick this here as well:

Just bought the new version today- mostly for Erich's roster set. Looks fantastic- but I have a couple of things to offer initially- one specific- and one general.

Specifically, I noticed Brandon Wood of the Angels has no minor league stats- but in addition- his speed ratings are higher than a lot of guys much faster- possibly an oversight?

More generally, I have noticed this set has the same problem mine had- most notably, todays current major leaguers- especially those over 28 just absolutely seem to fall off of a cliff in just a few short years. Run a 5 year sim to see what I mean. I wouldn't mention it- but it's not just a few guys- there are dozens: Aramis Ramirez, Derrek Lee, Manny Ramirez, Albert Pujols , David Ortiz..It seems to effect guys in their late 20's the most. This can be modified to some degree using the aging modifiers- but I also noticed- and again, I had the same problem in my set- was that these players fielding ratings TOTALLY tank by the time these guys are in their early thirties- and this seems unaffected by changing the modifiers.

Can somebosy else sim 5 years in and see if they see the same thing? The younger guys like Caberera, Reyes and the like (guys in their mid-twenties)- seem to fare ok- though I should probably go another five years out- but the fielding ratings seems to be the most drastic. Mike Lowell at the age of 38 is a 1 (out of 100) in range, error, arm and DP ratings. There are DOZENS of guys in their mid thirties with fielding ratings that have completely crashed.

Something is amiss here.

pstrickert · 12-13-2007, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

For a very long time, the output resembled 1967 instead of 2007.

This is what happens when a Phillies phan makes a roster set.

I simmed the 2007 season a second time. This time, I actually simmed through the playoffs. Guess what! The Phillies won it all! They beat Tampa Bay (yes, TB!) in the WS in 7 games. The Phils had the highest team BA in the NL and the most HRs. They also had a better than average team ERA. As for Ryan Howard, he again won the Triple Crown in the NL with a .339 BA, 60 HR, and 155 RBIs.

Kronos · 12-18-2007, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

This is a known issue with attendance and finances in the first year for the roster set.

How does attendance and $$$ look after that?

Still pretty bad, by 2012 nobody is drawing more then a million fans and every team is losing cash.

The Wolf · 12-18-2007, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

This is a known issue with attendance and finances in the first year for the roster set.

How does attendance and $$$ look after that?

It keeps on sucking.

PotatoPeeler · 12-18-2007, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

The high rate of firings is something I've found pretty unrealistic about the game, though it's something I don't pay much attention to, so I never really bring it up. I assume it's like that so that there are ample opportunities for human managers, but it would be nice if there would at least be an option to turn it down a notch or three.

I just did a sim using the MLB quick start and J.P. Ricciardi had the distinction of getting fired as the GM from two different teams. First it was the Blue Jays early on in the season and then the Diamondbacks at the end of the season. Can't say that I like that much.

skywalkr2 · 12-19-2007, 11:56 PM

This has probably been reported, but my biggest issues seems to be with fan interest. It seems that I lose tons of fan interest when i trade ANYONE (because it seems nearly everyone is locally popular). However, I never get any boost to fan interest with the player I get back even if he has nationally popularity. It seems local popularity on a player you receives doesn't work anymore in boosting fan support.

12-10-2007, 03:50 PM	#1
Neags23 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,577	First OOTP 8 Sim With MLB Quickstart Even though I own 2007, I decided to send in a $6 donation to OOTP Dev. and get a couple of new licenses in exchange. I don't play with 'real' rosters, but since OOTP 8 came with them, I decided to sim 2007 and see what happened. Here are the top 10 things I learned from OOTP 8 with the MLB Quickstart: 1. The Yankees dominated, winning 116 games and the WS in 6 over the Phils. 2. Brian McCann of the Braves led the majors in BA, hitting .366. ( ) 3. The Indians won the AL Central. The Rockies won the NL West. (Good job predicting those two). 4. Bonds gets stuck at 751 homers ( ) 5. Joe Saunders (?!) won the NL ERA crown with a 2.46 ERA. 6. A lot of managerial firings. St. Louis cans LaRussa, The Twins fired Gardenhire, The ChiSox fired Guillen, The BoSox sacked Francona, The Dodgers got rid of Little, the Giants went through 2 managers. 7. A lot of GM firings, too. Dodgers, Cardinals, Pirates, Astros, Cubs, Nats, Phils, Mets, Marlins, Braves, A's, Tigers, White Sox, Blue Jays, Yankees, Red Sox, Orioles. Wow, that is a LOT of GM firings. What's going on there? 8. HOF inductions included Sosa, Piazza, Randy Johnson, Junior Griffey, and Clemens. 9. Brandon Webb wins the NL Cy Young, Mariano Rivera wins AL Cy Young. ARod wins AL MVP, David Wright NL MVP. 10. I really really really really like the simming screen with the standings on the left, news in the middle, leaders on the right. Keeping my fingers crossed this is an attainable screen in OOTP 9!!! __________________ GM Havana Sugar Kings, World Baseball League - 2000, 2003, 2005 WBL Champions Former GM Washburn Sea Wolves Dog Days Baseball - 1981 & 1986 Kennel Cup Champions Last edited by Neags23; 12-10-2007 at 03:54 PM.

12-11-2007, 01:12 PM	#8
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12-12-2007, 03:39 PM	#11
Kronos Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Northern Ky. Posts: 318	Anyone else notice attendance numbers take a dive going forward from 2007? The Rockies won the 08 world series while drawing 700k in fans and losing eighty million dollars

12-13-2007, 09:33 PM	#15
NomarHits400 Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 347	I put this in the mods section as well- but thought it might be good to stick this here as well: Just bought the new version today- mostly for Erich's roster set. Looks fantastic- but I have a couple of things to offer initially- one specific- and one general. Specifically, I noticed Brandon Wood of the Angels has no minor league stats- but in addition- his speed ratings are higher than a lot of guys much faster- possibly an oversight? More generally, I have noticed this set has the same problem mine had- most notably, todays current major leaguers- especially those over 28 just absolutely seem to fall off of a cliff in just a few short years. Run a 5 year sim to see what I mean. I wouldn't mention it- but it's not just a few guys- there are dozens: Aramis Ramirez, Derrek Lee, Manny Ramirez, Albert Pujols , David Ortiz..It seems to effect guys in their late 20's the most. This can be modified to some degree using the aging modifiers- but I also noticed- and again, I had the same problem in my set- was that these players fielding ratings TOTALLY tank by the time these guys are in their early thirties- and this seems unaffected by changing the modifiers. Can somebosy else sim 5 years in and see if they see the same thing? The younger guys like Caberera, Reyes and the like (guys in their mid-twenties)- seem to fare ok- though I should probably go another five years out- but the fielding ratings seems to be the most drastic. Mike Lowell at the age of 38 is a 1 (out of 100) in range, error, arm and DP ratings. There are DOZENS of guys in their mid thirties with fielding ratings that have completely crashed. Something is amiss here.

12-19-2007, 11:56 PM	#20
skywalkr2 Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: St Louis, MO Posts: 438	This has probably been reported, but my biggest issues seems to be with fan interest. It seems that I lose tons of fan interest when i trade ANYONE (because it seems nearly everyone is locally popular). However, I never get any boost to fan interest with the player I get back even if he has nationally popularity. It seems local popularity on a player you receives doesn't work anymore in boosting fan support.