Hanley Ramirez

[dsvitak]

Hanley Ramirez BENCHED For Shockingly Lazy Play

I guess we won't be hearing much anymore about how this clown is the best player in the Major Leagues.

I would suspend him for a week, and take his massive salary away for that period.

[CommishJoe]

I was just about to post on this. What an amazingly dumb play. Kick the ball into the left field corner then JOG after it?? If he had options, I might even consider sending him down to AAA for a couple of weeks until I saw the effort I wanted.

This clown needs a serious humility pill.

[bababui]

This is what happens when you name your sons Hanley.

[Goody]

Its all about the money and the image. ARod taught us that. At least he is honest. Anyone can appear to give an effort even if their heart is not in it.

I'm not defending him, because I don't agree with his attitude. But there's many more out there doing the same thing...they're just not as honest. This is why the Yanks don't win 120 games a year.

But they find motivation when it is time to find it. Anyone would. Its the MLB...and you know everyone is watching. So they still get their championships.

But don't take this as just a chop against the Yankees. They have something to work for every year (that is close in their grasp every year because of the personnel they have). Every team has guys that aren't really in it every night for various reasons. At least Ramirez is honest about it...and gets made out to be the bad guy because he chose his words poorly.

Maybe he's the wake up call. But nobody wants to acknowledge there is a problem. Who would, they're all making money, and all us real fans are too much in love with the game.

[NYY #23]

Originally Posted by Goody

Every team has guys that aren't really in it every night for various reasons. At least Ramirez is honest about it...and gets made out to be the bad guy because he chose his words poorly.

I agree with the first part, I'm sure it does happen every night where somebody just isn't in the game for some reason. Although most aren't as obvious as this one.

I remember a couple of years ago the Phillies benched Rollins for failing to run hard down the first base line. The big difference is that he apologized, admitted he was wrong, and said he wouldn't let it happen again.

It seems like Ramirez took the opposite approach - refusing to apologize and attacking his manager. Its just sad, but I don't think it has anything to do with choosing the proper words. It just shows he has no respect for the game or his team.

[Goody]

Originally Posted by NYY #23

I agree with the first part, I'm sure it does happen every night where somebody just isn't in the game for some reason. Although most aren't as obvious as this one.

I remember a couple of years ago the Phillies benched Rollins for failing to run hard down the first base line. The big difference is that he apologized, admitted he was wrong, and said he wouldn't let it happen again.

It seems like Ramirez took the opposite approach - refusing to apologize and attacking his manager. Its just sad, but I don't think it has anything to do with choosing the proper words. It just shows he has no respect for the game or his team.

Yeah I can agree with that.

[yankeesrule]

Hanley is nothing but a punk. I remember when i was interning with the yanks AA team, the trenton thunder. All the visiting players would sign some balls and stuff for various charity auctions, im sure the same stuff happens in all the clubhouses. Well, Hanley decided he was too big for signing stuff for charity and refused, him and another guy on the Sox minor league team, think it might have been Hanson but dont remember for sure, were the only guys that season that I remember not signing. Just left a real sour taste in my mouth for him ever since

[Jordan]

I mean, what has Hanley ever done exactly? He's gone to a few all star games and won the batting title last year and rookie of the year, but so what? He hasn't gotten his team to the playoffs, yet feels entitled enough to rip his teammates and manager?

Grow up

[jazzrack]

i think some of you guys need to get a grip. , how many times have we all seen some player boot a ball, toss his hands in the air, look into the sky and do nothing about going after the ball.... it happens all the time but yet nobody says anything. nobody is asking where the guy is who is supposed to be backing up the play, every baseball play has a guy who is supposed to help out when these things happen for this exact reason, when people make errors they tend to loose situational awareness, it happens to the best of us in any situation.

the guy is playing a flipping baseball game get over yourselves

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by jazzrack

i think some of you guys need to get a grip. , how many times have we all seen some player boot a ball, toss his hands in the air, look into the sky and do nothing about going after the ball.... it happens all the time but yet nobody says anything. nobody is asking where the guy is who is supposed to be backing up the play, every baseball play has a guy who is supposed to help out when these things happen for this exact reason, when people make errors they tend to loose situational awareness, it happens to the best of us in any situation.

the guy is playing a flipping baseball game get over yourselves

No one is ripping him for making the error(that happens) people are ripping him for not hustling(that is purely effort) and acting like he is above hustling. What player in Major League Baseball makes an error, tosses his hands in the error, and looks into the sky? We are talking professional baseball not little league or beer league softball Jazz.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

No one is ripping him for making the error(that happens) people are ripping him for not hustling(that is purely effort) and acting like he is above hustling. What player in Major League Baseball makes an error, tosses his hands in the error, and looks into the sky? We are talking professional baseball not little league or beer league softball Jazz.

Couldnt agree more. He is getting paid to hustle and to try to win games. He must be expected to act like a professional.

[Left-handed Badger]

If i were a manager, I would want hustle above all else. If you cant do that, you cant play.

[jazzrack]

fine talk about "hustle"

where was the center fielder who's job it was to be backing up that play, he may not have been able to get there but he should have at least been in the picture... oh yeah, he was still standing out in CF.

and how about that LF guy, who should have filled into the vacated defensive assignment but stood there watching the play. i don't know if it's lack of "hustle" or lack of brainpower but he has a defensive assignment on that play and i am pretty sure it's not to stand and watch.

what no bad mouthing these guys?

and he did foul a ball off his ankle the the inning before so going full bore and trying to plant with all that pressure may not have been the brightest idea anyway considering he had no chance to get the runner at home and IF he "hustles" full bore, doesn't roll his ankle when he plants AND makes a perfect throw he MAY have had a shot at the runner at 3rd.

you can have your guys who hustle all the time, give me guys who play smart and while your guys are spraining, twisting & breaking things for minimal gain we'll be picking our spots and still be healthy at the end of the season.

work smarter not harder works great in sport too.

[andymac]

To me, the act isn't nearly as big of a deal as the reaction to the punishment. If he accepts it and moves on, this blows over quickly. This is going to be a drawn out issue now and he could have prevented that.

[Bristolduke]

and he did foul a ball off his ankle the the inning before so going full bore and trying to plant with all that pressure may not have been the brightest idea anyway considering he had no chance to get the runner at home and IF he "hustles" full bore, doesn't roll his ankle when he plants AND makes a perfect throw he MAY have had a shot at the runner at 3rd.

Let's do remember that after fouling off the pitch, he hit a grounder in which he sprinted to 1st to try to avoid a double play. He also sprinted to try and catch the ball. Then he jogged. So I guess it only hurts when it is affects his stats.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by jazzrack

work smarter not harder works great in sport too.

You're joking, aren't you?

Jogging slowly after that ball is not working smarter.

His teammates are coming out of the woodwork to rip him. Helms, Uggla, and others are all ripping him, and supporting their manager.

[CommishJoe]

Originally Posted by Goody

Its all about the money and the image. ARod taught us that. At least he is honest. Anyone can appear to give an effort even if their heart is not in it.

I'm not defending him, because I don't agree with his attitude. But there's many more out there doing the same thing...they're just not as honest. This is why the Yanks don't win 120 games a year.

But they find motivation when it is time to find it. Anyone would. Its the MLB...and you know everyone is watching. So they still get their championships.

But don't take this as just a chop against the Yankees. They have something to work for every year (that is close in their grasp every year because of the personnel they have). Every team has guys that aren't really in it every night for various reasons. At least Ramirez is honest about it...and gets made out to be the bad guy because he chose his words poorly.

Maybe he's the wake up call. But nobody wants to acknowledge there is a problem. Who would, they're all making money, and all us real fans are too much in love with the game.

1st -- There are plenty of jerks out there that aren't or weren't Yankees (see Bonds, Barry or Ramirez, Manny) and even some who came before A-Rod believe it or not. Also, I don't believe I've ever seen A-Rod jog after a live ball. If anything he tries TOO hard at times (swatting the ball or yelling on his way past).

2nd -- I don't really care what Hanley said. It's what Hanley did that's an issue. Manny Ramirez had the same rap about not caring and only doing as much as he needed to to get by. In another sport, Randy Moss comes to mind (wow, he was never a Yankee either)

3rd -- Yes, fame and fortune are excuses that will be used by the weak. But when you see guys like Don Mattingly (played almost his entire career with a bad back), Carl Crawford and even Albert Pujols (one of the best players in the game today) busting their buns day in and day out, it makes the excuses look that much weaker.

Look, no matter how you look at it, these guys are playing a GAME for a living and making more in a year then I'll make in a lifetime. There is no excuse to be jogging out there. Not on a simple grounder, not on a popup, and especially not on a ball that you just kicked into the left field corner.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by jazzrack

fine talk about "hustle"

where was the center fielder who's job it was to be backing up that play, he may not have been able to get there but he should have at least been in the picture... oh yeah, he was still standing out in CF.

and how about that LF guy, who should have filled into the vacated defensive assignment but stood there watching the play. i don't know if it's lack of "hustle" or lack of brainpower but he has a defensive assignment on that play and i am pretty sure it's not to stand and watch.

what no bad mouthing these guys?

and he did foul a ball off his ankle the the inning before so going full bore and trying to plant with all that pressure may not have been the brightest idea anyway considering he had no chance to get the runner at home and IF he "hustles" full bore, doesn't roll his ankle when he plants AND makes a perfect throw he MAY have had a shot at the runner at 3rd.

you can have your guys who hustle all the time, give me guys who play smart and while your guys are spraining, twisting & breaking things for minimal gain we'll be picking our spots and still be healthy at the end of the season.

work smarter not harder works great in sport too.

Your guys will be healthy and the end of the season and enjoying a nice long vacation. You dont win in sports without giving your best effort every time out. It's what seperates the winners and the losers.

Do you think Ted Williams hit .400 by giving away at bats? Do you think Peyton Manning is the best QB the NFL has ever seen because he skips out early on team meetings? Do you think Michael Jordan is arguably the best player the NBA has ever seen because he would take it easy on the court?

Now we can look at these lazier players and see how their careers evolved. Jamarcus Russell? Andruw Jones? Stephon Marbury?

I think I will take my chances on the guys that give their max effort and risk the injury over the guys that dont but atleast they stay healthy.

Randy Moss is another great example. When things are going his way and he is playing with max effort he is probably the best WR the NFL has ever seen. When he plays with a thumb up his ass and acts like its him against the world he is pretty ordinary.

I do agree that the leftfielder should get blamed for this as well. Im not sure who it was or what he was doing but yes he should have been backing that play up. It still doesnt excuse Hanley for not hustling. If a corner in the NFL get toasted in the NFL should he just stand there and watch the safety try and cover up for his mistake?

[CD1083]

Did he even look to see where the runner was as he was going to get the ball? The clips I've seen looks like he was fetching an overthrown ball during a game of catch.

[Erik W.]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

I do agree that the leftfielder should get blamed for this as well. Im not sure who it was or what he was doing but yes he should have been backing that play up.

The left fielder had charged the ball in case it dropped for a hit, since it was hit to straight-away left. He was in the right spot. It wasn't his job to be backing up that play, and even if he had been in a back-up position, he would've been nowhere near where the ball had been kicked to.

I'm not sure why he's even being brought up.