Finances and personnel

beorn · 07-31-2007, 05:01 PM

I think, but I am not sure, that something is going wrong when running an online league using personnel:

As the off season begins:
1) Two teams send in ftp exports signing the same staff member.
2) Of course, only one team gets the staff member -- so far, so good. However, both teams show a signing in their transaction reports, which is odd and probably should not happen.
3) More seriously, there appears to be an irregularity in the finances on the Front Office page. A team NOT actually getting the staff member is now has $1.47 million in staff expenses for the new year. This is not exactly the cost of the entire multi-year contract (which was posted but did not actually occur), but it is very odd nonetheless.
4) So I think to myself, maybe that $1.47 million in staff expenses has nothing to do with this failed attempt at a contract, maybe it is payment for the first few days of work for existing personnel for this team -- but that makes no sense either, because most teams have a zero at this point.
5) So I check to see whether all the teams with a cost for personnel have dismissed personnel in mid-contract... However, it appears to me that that is not the case, although they all had staff retirements or non-extensions... But those should not cost money -- unless it is the original problem: the attempts to sign new coaches, successful or not, causing teams to be charged money.

So, to sum up, I think something is going wrong with finances involving personnel, but I cannot really tell what it is that is occurring.

tysok · 07-31-2007, 07:02 PM

Did a coach retire? Although, with 1.47 million that would have to be a few coaches retiring.

Finally got around to testing out the finances... bout time. Last year I had found that coaches were getting paid for leaving the team. I thought I saw it in beta, but I wasn't looking for that (spent most of my time on text). This reminded me... I had to run 15 seasons to find this but when a staff member retires he gets paid something... in my case it was 1 year, but that also happens to be the remainder of his contract as well. Possibly this team had someone retire with 3 or 4 years left on their contract? OR 2 retire with a couple years...

At least staff aren't getting paid to leave when you just didn't renew their contract... that's a step up from last year.

beorn · 07-31-2007, 07:07 PM

I believe that some of the teams did have a staff member retire. Others, the contract was up and no new agreement was reached.

No way that a staff member SHOULD get paid when they retire. Pensions are a part of real life, but that is not at all how they work.

tysok · 07-31-2007, 07:23 PM

I've tried to TT the retirement problem, but can't get in. Not sure why.

That's the only thing I can think of for this problem, I guess it could be something with the online side which I don't do anything with yet.

tysok · 08-06-2007, 12:13 PM

I've put in TT3820 for the retirement issue.

07-31-2007, 05:01 PM	#1
beorn All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: near Rochester, NY Posts: 1,269	Finances and personnel I think, but I am not sure, that something is going wrong when running an online league using personnel: As the off season begins: 1) Two teams send in ftp exports signing the same staff member. 2) Of course, only one team gets the staff member -- so far, so good. However, both teams show a signing in their transaction reports, which is odd and probably should not happen. 3) More seriously, there appears to be an irregularity in the finances on the Front Office page. A team NOT actually getting the staff member is now has $1.47 million in staff expenses for the new year. This is not exactly the cost of the entire multi-year contract (which was posted but did not actually occur), but it is very odd nonetheless. 4) So I think to myself, maybe that $1.47 million in staff expenses has nothing to do with this failed attempt at a contract, maybe it is payment for the first few days of work for existing personnel for this team -- but that makes no sense either, because most teams have a zero at this point. 5) So I check to see whether all the teams with a cost for personnel have dismissed personnel in mid-contract... However, it appears to me that that is not the case, although they all had staff retirements or non-extensions... But those should not cost money -- unless it is the original problem: the attempts to sign new coaches, successful or not, causing teams to be charged money. So, to sum up, I think something is going wrong with finances involving personnel, but I cannot really tell what it is that is occurring. __________________ Commish of Dog Days Baseball Commish Pennant Chase Baseball League (PCBL) Commish and Blue Jays GM Extra Innings Baseball

07-31-2007, 07:02 PM	#2
tysok Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,925	Did a coach retire? Although, with 1.47 million that would have to be a few coaches retiring. Finally got around to testing out the finances... bout time. Last year I had found that coaches were getting paid for leaving the team. I thought I saw it in beta, but I wasn't looking for that (spent most of my time on text). This reminded me... I had to run 15 seasons to find this but when a staff member retires he gets paid something... in my case it was 1 year, but that also happens to be the remainder of his contract as well. Possibly this team had someone retire with 3 or 4 years left on their contract? OR 2 retire with a couple years... At least staff aren't getting paid to leave when you just didn't renew their contract... that's a step up from last year. __________________ I don't know about you, but as for me, the question has already been answered: Should we be here? Yes! Jack Buck, September 17, 2001 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts. I firmly believe that any man's finest hour... is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi) I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. (George S. Patton)

07-31-2007, 07:07 PM	#3
beorn All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: near Rochester, NY Posts: 1,269	I believe that some of the teams did have a staff member retire. Others, the contract was up and no new agreement was reached. No way that a staff member SHOULD get paid when they retire. Pensions are a part of real life, but that is not at all how they work. __________________ Commish of Dog Days Baseball Commish Pennant Chase Baseball League (PCBL) Commish and Blue Jays GM Extra Innings Baseball

07-31-2007, 07:23 PM	#4
tysok Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,925	I've tried to TT the retirement problem, but can't get in. Not sure why. That's the only thing I can think of for this problem, I guess it could be something with the online side which I don't do anything with yet. __________________ I don't know about you, but as for me, the question has already been answered: Should we be here? Yes! Jack Buck, September 17, 2001 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts. I firmly believe that any man's finest hour... is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi) I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. (George S. Patton)

08-06-2007, 12:13 PM	#5
tysok Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,925	I've put in TT3820 for the retirement issue. __________________ I don't know about you, but as for me, the question has already been answered: Should we be here? Yes! Jack Buck, September 17, 2001 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts. I firmly believe that any man's finest hour... is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi) I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. (George S. Patton)