Minor leaguers

MSUSBSBBTBJ · 10-02-2002, 07:53 AM

I'm in the process of creating a small scale league, and am trying to create them based on present day teams, How do I go about making minor league stats into talent ratings? Thanks.

Steve Kuffrey · 10-02-2002, 08:16 AM

I don't know if there is a formula that anyone presently uses, but the basic idea would be:

"talent"=their potential or what the scouts say.
"ratings"=how they would presently perfrom in the majors, so aim LOW for the most part.

MSUSBSBBTBJ · 10-02-2002, 03:17 PM

How is the talent determined. Like a guy hitting 30 HR's in AA ball, would the best way be to compare that to the other hitters in AA ball or is there a better way. Thanks.

Scott Vibert · 10-02-2002, 03:34 PM

Talent is what the player will potentially reach in the majors it is determined at the start and helps determine how quick a players ratings will rise. Ratings are the players current "major league" ability, for major leaguers this can be more easily approximated by the players current results. So the prospects with the highest ceilings will have high talent, but the players that are closest to being ready will have the high ratings.

Taking a guy hitting 30 HRs in AA ball you can either compare his stats or compare his ratings... but keep in mind the ceiling vs. potential.

For Example Player A Hits .300 with 30 HR in AA
His ratings are: 3 H 4 HR His talents are: Fair H Average HR

Now he's ok at the AA level... but will he amount to much? He's probably just a marginal prospect.

Player B Hits .253 with 12 HR in AA
His ratings are: 2 H 2 HR His talents are: Good H Good HR

He's a bit farther away, but overall he's probably the better prospect he has the higher upside... of course there is no guarentee he'll reach his potential.

When determining ratings for minor leaguers there is no hard and fast rule of how to do it. You'll have to try and figure out what the potential of the player is to assign talents and also figure out how close they are to being MLB ready. There really isn't an easy way to do this other than to check all the stats find out as much as you can about the players and take your best guess. It may take some trial and error to get to the point where you are happy with your results.

MSUSBSBBTBJ · 10-02-2002, 03:59 PM

Man, this sounds much more complicated then I thought. Are there any really in depth websites that will tell you how Player A is doing in A ball and what he is expected to do? Thanks.

Steve Kuffrey · 10-02-2002, 04:13 PM

Baseball America is one. The thing about it is that just about everyone will have a different opinion on how a player "should" do. So it is not a "black and white" issue.

GForce22 · 10-02-2002, 04:29 PM

The adjustment of talent and potential is the hardest part of roster work for OOTP, and the part of the "work" that takes the most time. I know how to rate how good a player will be, but Rolen needed to make them rated accurately now because he knows the OOTP potential/current ratings system much better than I do.

GH

MSUSBSBBTBJ · 10-02-2002, 05:42 PM

Thanks for answers, I was planing on some different opinions, so things for mine could be a little off. As long as thats only mine, no big deal there. The fact that GForce said thats the hardest part does that make fictional worthwhile then switching names? How unrealistic is that, and would it work? Thanks again.

GForce22 · 10-02-2002, 05:54 PM

If I were looking to do it in a quick fashion, I would do fictional guys and release everybody (or, if you're building off existing MLB players, make the free agent list just fictional guys). Sort them by position and have them arranged by talent. Try to find the player that best fits the potential for the player you are trying to do and edit him to be that player. It's not perfect, but if you're just looking to get in the general area talent-wise, that may be your quickest bet.

GH

rwdfsgmc · 10-02-2002, 06:41 PM

Thats what I think I'm going to have to do, I just don't have the time to do minor leaguers that in depth. Thanks.

jasonditz · 10-08-2002, 09:57 AM

Its such a grey area. A lot of the fun of actually playing OOTP is that the brilliant in nearly everything prospect still might not pan out.

Converting minor league stats into major league stats is likewise nearly impossible. How many times have we seen a team call up a career minor leaguer who has been hitting 25-30 HR a year in the PCL only to watch them bat a paltry sub .200 and show no power at all? Or see some prospect called up who was putting up sketchy numbers in AA and really shines?

When I've done a roster, I don't so much worry about coming up with some foolproof system for how the prospects will do. If you can do that you should be doing it for a living. Concentrate instead on the overall feel of the system. Don't give anyone without major league experience better than backup ratings. Make sure any reasonably touted prospect has at least an outside shot to suceed, and most of all, don't pump up the 29 year old guy who has been kicking around in A too high.

10-02-2002, 07:53 AM	#1
MSUSBSBBTBJ Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 119	Minor leaguers I'm in the process of creating a small scale league, and am trying to create them based on present day teams, How do I go about making minor league stats into talent ratings? Thanks.

10-02-2002, 08:16 AM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	I don't know if there is a formula that anyone presently uses, but the basic idea would be: "talent"=their potential or what the scouts say. "ratings"=how they would presently perfrom in the majors, so aim LOW for the most part. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

10-02-2002, 04:13 PM	#6
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	Baseball America is one. The thing about it is that just about everyone will have a different opinion on how a player "should" do. So it is not a "black and white" issue. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

10-02-2002, 03:17 PM	#3
MSUSBSBBTBJ Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 119	How is the talent determined. Like a guy hitting 30 HR's in AA ball, would the best way be to compare that to the other hitters in AA ball or is there a better way. Thanks.

10-02-2002, 03:34 PM	#4
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,249	Talent is what the player will potentially reach in the majors it is determined at the start and helps determine how quick a players ratings will rise. Ratings are the players current "major league" ability, for major leaguers this can be more easily approximated by the players current results. So the prospects with the highest ceilings will have high talent, but the players that are closest to being ready will have the high ratings. Taking a guy hitting 30 HRs in AA ball you can either compare his stats or compare his ratings... but keep in mind the ceiling vs. potential. For Example Player A Hits .300 with 30 HR in AA His ratings are: 3 H 4 HR His talents are: Fair H Average HR Now he's ok at the AA level... but will he amount to much? He's probably just a marginal prospect. Player B Hits .253 with 12 HR in AA His ratings are: 2 H 2 HR His talents are: Good H Good HR He's a bit farther away, but overall he's probably the better prospect he has the higher upside... of course there is no guarentee he'll reach his potential. When determining ratings for minor leaguers there is no hard and fast rule of how to do it. You'll have to try and figure out what the potential of the player is to assign talents and also figure out how close they are to being MLB ready. There really isn't an easy way to do this other than to check all the stats find out as much as you can about the players and take your best guess. It may take some trial and error to get to the point where you are happy with your results.

10-02-2002, 03:59 PM	#5
MSUSBSBBTBJ Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 119	Man, this sounds much more complicated then I thought. Are there any really in depth websites that will tell you how Player A is doing in A ball and what he is expected to do? Thanks.

10-02-2002, 04:29 PM	#7
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	The adjustment of talent and potential is the hardest part of roster work for OOTP, and the part of the "work" that takes the most time. I know how to rate how good a player will be, but Rolen needed to make them rated accurately now because he knows the OOTP potential/current ratings system much better than I do. GH

10-02-2002, 05:42 PM	#8
MSUSBSBBTBJ Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 119	Thanks for answers, I was planing on some different opinions, so things for mine could be a little off. As long as thats only mine, no big deal there. The fact that GForce said thats the hardest part does that make fictional worthwhile then switching names? How unrealistic is that, and would it work? Thanks again.

10-02-2002, 05:54 PM	#9
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	If I were looking to do it in a quick fashion, I would do fictional guys and release everybody (or, if you're building off existing MLB players, make the free agent list just fictional guys). Sort them by position and have them arranged by talent. Try to find the player that best fits the potential for the player you are trying to do and edit him to be that player. It's not perfect, but if you're just looking to get in the general area talent-wise, that may be your quickest bet. GH

10-02-2002, 06:41 PM	#10
rwdfsgmc Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 45	Thats what I think I'm going to have to do, I just don't have the time to do minor leaguers that in depth. Thanks.

10-08-2002, 09:57 AM	#11
jasonditz Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 121	Its such a grey area. A lot of the fun of actually playing OOTP is that the brilliant in nearly everything prospect still might not pan out. Converting minor league stats into major league stats is likewise nearly impossible. How many times have we seen a team call up a career minor leaguer who has been hitting 25-30 HR a year in the PCL only to watch them bat a paltry sub .200 and show no power at all? Or see some prospect called up who was putting up sketchy numbers in AA and really shines? When I've done a roster, I don't so much worry about coming up with some foolproof system for how the prospects will do. If you can do that you should be doing it for a living. Concentrate instead on the overall feel of the system. Don't give anyone without major league experience better than backup ratings. Make sure any reasonably touted prospect has at least an outside shot to suceed, and most of all, don't pump up the 29 year old guy who has been kicking around in A too high.