Revocable waivers

Mike Lowe · 07-06-2007, 04:57 PM

I searched but the threads that came up were from 1994...

I know the difference but what makes a player revocable or irrevocable? I have a player who is out of options (1/4 star) who I would like to send down to AAA because he'd be more 4th OF.

Thanks!

injury log · 07-06-2007, 05:24 PM

I can probably help you here, but I'm not exactly sure what you're asking- do you mean why does a player run out of options? The rule runs something like this- the team has the option of keeping a guy on the 40-man roster and putting him in the minors for parts of 3 seasons. If a guy has been on the 40-man and played in the minors in parts of 3 different seasons, he is out of options and needs to clear waivers to be sent down (the waivers become irrevocable in that case). There are a few intricacies in the real-life rule that I haven't mentioned, but they're not implemented in OOTP.

Mike Lowe · 07-06-2007, 07:21 PM

Yeah, I get what options/option years are. My question was when does a player turn from being on revocable waivers vs irrervocable waivers.

What you explained makes sense excepts for the fact that, and correct me if I'm wrong, when you send a player down who still HAS options left he does not have to clear waivers at all. He simply goes to AAA or whatever.

So, if I am right who qualifies as revocable and who qualifies for irrevocable?

Sorry for the first message being barely in English...not sure what happened there.

Zeyes · 07-06-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Lowe

So, if I am right who qualifies as revocable and who qualifies for irrevocable?

It's not a question of who, but of what...what situation, to be specific. Waivers for the purpose of outrighting a player to the minors are always irrevocable.

The first part of this article explains the different type of waivers in MLB. (Disclaimer: I usually play with waivers off, so I can't guarantee that the game handles all of these exactly as it should.)

injury log · 07-06-2007, 08:16 PM

That's a great article. Unfortunately, OOTP doesn't work like real life (this is giving me ideas for the Suggestions forum, though).

Back to Mike's questions, yes, you can certainly demote players with options left, and they don't need to go through waivers. There are only three reasons to put a player through waivers in OOTP, if I'm remembering everything:

-to remove him from the 40-man roster (but unlike in real life, these waivers are revocable in OOTP if the player still has options);
-to demote him from the major league team, in the case of a player who is out of options (these waivers are irrevocable in OOTP);
-to trade him, after the trade deadline has passed, but before the playoffs have ended (these waivers are revocable in OOTP, and in fact players are automatically removed from waivers in this case if they are claimed).

Normally, the only reason to use waivers for a guy with options left is to get him off the 40-man. You'll always be warned if you're placing a player on irrevocable waivers.

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Mike Lowe Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,178	Revocable waivers I searched but the threads that came up were from 1994... I know the difference but what makes a player revocable or irrevocable? I have a player who is out of options (1/4 star) who I would like to send down to AAA because he'd be more 4th OF. Thanks! __________________ SSG Baseball Simming in real-time (daily sims) since 2015 Join us by filling out an application from the website below Website \| Discord

07-06-2007, 07:21 PM	#3
Mike Lowe Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,178	Yeah, I get what options/option years are. My question was when does a player turn from being on revocable waivers vs irrervocable waivers. What you explained makes sense excepts for the fact that, and correct me if I'm wrong, when you send a player down who still HAS options left he does not have to clear waivers at all. He simply goes to AAA or whatever. So, if I am right who qualifies as revocable and who qualifies for irrevocable? Sorry for the first message being barely in English...not sure what happened there. __________________ SSG Baseball Simming in real-time (daily sims) since 2015 Join us by filling out an application from the website below Website \| Discord

07-06-2007, 05:24 PM	#2
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,162	I can probably help you here, but I'm not exactly sure what you're asking- do you mean why does a player run out of options? The rule runs something like this- the team has the option of keeping a guy on the 40-man roster and putting him in the minors for parts of 3 seasons. If a guy has been on the 40-man and played in the minors in parts of 3 different seasons, he is out of options and needs to clear waivers to be sent down (the waivers become irrevocable in that case). There are a few intricacies in the real-life rule that I haven't mentioned, but they're not implemented in OOTP.

07-06-2007, 08:16 PM	#5
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,162	That's a great article. Unfortunately, OOTP doesn't work like real life (this is giving me ideas for the Suggestions forum, though). Back to Mike's questions, yes, you can certainly demote players with options left, and they don't need to go through waivers. There are only three reasons to put a player through waivers in OOTP, if I'm remembering everything: -to remove him from the 40-man roster (but unlike in real life, these waivers are revocable in OOTP if the player still has options); -to demote him from the major league team, in the case of a player who is out of options (these waivers are irrevocable in OOTP); -to trade him, after the trade deadline has passed, but before the playoffs have ended (these waivers are revocable in OOTP, and in fact players are automatically removed from waivers in this case if they are claimed). Normally, the only reason to use waivers for a guy with options left is to get him off the 40-man. You'll always be warned if you're placing a player on irrevocable waivers.