Scouts: I threw in the towel

ballman · 05-11-2007, 12:04 AM

It's just too easy to win when you use a complete couting system. I was having each of my scouts scout a different league. Six scouts for six league ML level through Rookie. When they were done scouting their league (8 to 10 months in 24-team league) they scouted the US as a country. The talent that flowed in made the rookie draft practically unnecessary. I could take an expansion team from nothing to the best in the league in a 3-4 year span. Actually, that's the only reason I expanded, to give msyelf a bit of a challenge.

I discarded scouting altogether and that is making the game the original challenge I sought when I bought it.

Sorry, Markus. The scouting system sucks.

chambertrain · 05-11-2007, 12:35 AM

Did you turn off ratings and stars too?

Crimguy · 05-11-2007, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ballman

It's just too easy to win when you use a complete couting system. I was having each of my scouts scout a different league. Six scouts for six league ML level through Rookie. When they were done scouting their league (8 to 10 months in 24-team league) they scouted the US as a country. The talent that flowed in made the rookie draft practically unnecessary. I could take an expansion team from nothing to the best in the league in a 3-4 year span. Actually, that's the only reason I expanded, to give msyelf a bit of a challenge.

I discarded scouting altogether and that is making the game the original challenge I sought when I bought it.

Sorry, Markus. The scouting system sucks.

You're not the first person to come to this conclusion. However, I'm a borderline moron b/c I've been playing this game since it's release and still can't win the series.

magnet · 05-11-2007, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Crimguy

You're not the first person to come to this conclusion. However, I'm a borderline moron b/c I've been playing this game since it's release and still can't win the series.

What is your setup like? How many teams/divisions/difficulty/AI trade prefs/etc?

bababui · 05-11-2007, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Crimguy

You're not the first person to come to this conclusion. However, I'm a borderline moron b/c I've been playing this game since it's release and still can't win the series.

You are then well qualified to be in Congress or an OOTP Mod.

edm · 05-11-2007, 01:32 AM

if you want to make it more difficult while keeping scouting on, maybe try turning off all ratings and stars with only the 20-80 scouting system enabled. I never use scouts myself. too much work involved in it's current state, imo.

Erik W. · 05-11-2007, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bababui

You are then well qualified to be in Congress or an OOTP Mod.

For the record, I dominated the season I've played out...

Unless you're were focusing on the moron part, in which case that might be flaming.

Sven Draconian · 05-11-2007, 02:04 AM

Turn of real ratings if you want a challenge and just 1-5 for talents.

Crimguy · 05-11-2007, 02:18 AM

I have a MLB style league down to AA. The AI style is pretty close to default. I've made the playoffs in 4 out of the last 5 seasons, but have not won it. I'm sure I don't use scouts very effectively - I've sent a couple of them around the globe and they've brought back practically nothing.

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Originally Posted by magnet

What is your setup like? How many teams/divisions/difficulty/AI trade prefs/etc?

Dvdmanny · 05-11-2007, 02:28 PM

I dont send my scouts to countries that rank high in baseball because of that, I send them elsewhere to see if they can unearth a gem in South Africa or Norway.

magnet · 05-11-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Crimguy

I have a MLB style league down to AA. The AI style is pretty close to default. I've made the playoffs in 4 out of the last 5 seasons, but have not won it. I'm sure I don't use scouts very effectively - I've sent a couple of them around the globe and they've brought back practically nothing.

Do you have the scouts 'Task if idle' set up?

mh2365 · 05-13-2007, 07:50 PM

I must be missing it .. how do you get them to scout a country? Does there have to be a league in that country?

Mel Ott · 05-14-2007, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

I must be missing it .. how do you get them to scout a country? Does there have to be a league in that country?

You can go to the "Explore World" screen from your manager menu. You'll get a list of all the countries in that league's universe and if you click on one of them, you should get an option to send a scout there.

I think you can also do it from the scouts' screen, where you pick the scout and then give him a task. IIRC you can tell him to scout a country, and then you pick the nation you want that scout to investigate.

mh2365 · 05-14-2007, 11:30 AM

Okay I'll look into it when I get back to my home computer .. thanks for the instructions

Curtis · 05-15-2007, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Does there have to be a league in that country?

In 2006 there had to NOT be a league in that country.

vesuvius · 05-16-2007, 10:17 AM

For the record, its not the scouting system that sucks, it's the fact that scouting other countries has the ability to be WAY too powerful and unbalances a league towards the human team doing it.

steady teddy · 05-16-2007, 10:28 AM

So the Beta doesn't address this at all?

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Originally Posted by Marc Duffy

What's new in 2.0.2 - BETA BUILD 50

List of Bugs that are Claimed Fixed in this page, by TT #

3467 Foreign Scouting Found a Player who was Too Talented

novamustangs · 05-16-2007, 11:36 AM

Geez, I'm not sure I'll ever find the game too easy because of scouts. I have 2 scouts on my current team with hitting evaluation ratings at 19 and 20 (out of 20) and I get scouting on hitters that are 15-20 points apart on potentials. I have no idea which scout to believe!

I've had the same happen with pitchers. I'll pickup a 5 star potential player only to have that rating drop to 1-2 stars after a season when scouted by the same guy.

thbroman · 05-16-2007, 11:47 AM

Personally, I find that the fallability of even the best scouts (something that has been noted in this forum in several threads) makes them less than an absolute lock to produce the best talent, but I agree that scouting the world is currently too easy and successful.

DougWyatt · 05-16-2007, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Erik W.

For the record, I dominated the season I've played out...

Unless you're were focusing on the moron part, in which case that might be flaming.

huh ? That makes no sense

Edit - ah nevermind, I didn't notice you were a moderator !

05-11-2007, 12:04 AM	#1
ballman Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: riverside, ca Posts: 145	Scouts: I threw in the towel It's just too easy to win when you use a complete couting system. I was having each of my scouts scout a different league. Six scouts for six league ML level through Rookie. When they were done scouting their league (8 to 10 months in 24-team league) they scouted the US as a country. The talent that flowed in made the rookie draft practically unnecessary. I could take an expansion team from nothing to the best in the league in a 3-4 year span. Actually, that's the only reason I expanded, to give msyelf a bit of a challenge. I discarded scouting altogether and that is making the game the original challenge I sought when I bought it. Sorry, Markus. The scouting system sucks.

05-16-2007, 10:17 AM	#16
vesuvius Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ashburn, VA Posts: 136	For the record, its not the scouting system that sucks, it's the fact that scouting other countries has the ability to be WAY too powerful and unbalances a league towards the human team doing it. __________________ Join the CBL Rewind, a great historical OOTP 15 league! http://thecblonline.com/cblr/cblr.php Commish : wedgeeric@aol.com Join the Computer Baseball League, one of the longest running OOTP leagues in history (OOTP5)! http://www.thecblonline.com/cbl.php

05-11-2007, 12:35 AM	#2
chambertrain Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Oswego, New York Posts: 316	Did you turn off ratings and stars too?

05-11-2007, 01:32 AM	#6
edm All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 1,999	if you want to make it more difficult while keeping scouting on, maybe try turning off all ratings and stars with only the 20-80 scouting system enabled. I never use scouts myself. too much work involved in it's current state, imo.

05-11-2007, 02:04 AM	#8
Sven Draconian Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 432	Turn of real ratings if you want a challenge and just 1-5 for talents.

05-11-2007, 02:28 PM	#10
Dvdmanny Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 77	I dont send my scouts to countries that rank high in baseball because of that, I send them elsewhere to see if they can unearth a gem in South Africa or Norway.

05-13-2007, 07:50 PM	#12
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I must be missing it .. how do you get them to scout a country? Does there have to be a league in that country?

05-14-2007, 11:30 AM	#14
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Okay I'll look into it when I get back to my home computer .. thanks for the instructions

05-16-2007, 11:36 AM	#18
novamustangs Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 51	Geez, I'm not sure I'll ever find the game too easy because of scouts. I have 2 scouts on my current team with hitting evaluation ratings at 19 and 20 (out of 20) and I get scouting on hitters that are 15-20 points apart on potentials. I have no idea which scout to believe! I've had the same happen with pitchers. I'll pickup a 5 star potential player only to have that rating drop to 1-2 stars after a season when scouted by the same guy.

05-16-2007, 11:47 AM	#19
thbroman All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 867	Personally, I find that the fallability of even the best scouts (something that has been noted in this forum in several threads) makes them less than an absolute lock to produce the best talent, but I agree that scouting the world is currently too easy and successful.