Players refusing assignment-

cavebutter · 04-15-2007, 01:50 AM

I'd like to double-check this before I do something stupid. I have still developing young pitcher (Pitcher A) on my 25 man roster. He's pretty deep in the bullpen and not getting a lot of innings. I also just made a beauty of a trade for a 4.5 star middle reliever (Pitcher B) who I want in the pen.

The prospect is out of options and refusing to be demoted. I'm thinking that in order to move him to AAA, I have to:
Waive and DFA
If/when he clears waivers I can put him anywhere I want.

Is that right? Or can he go FA after he clears? Also, I'm worried that he won't clear waivers. If I have to pull him (A) back after I've got the new guy (B) on my staff, I'll have no place to put him.

No use getting gray hairs over a game, right?

Curtis · 04-15-2007, 07:50 AM

I can't tell you how it works in 2007, but in 2006 I had this situation, and no matter how many times I put that boy through waivers he STILL refused to report to the minors. You might end up having to trade him off.

Solonor · 04-15-2007, 09:08 AM

If he's a young prospect, I don't see how he can refuse to be demoted. Are you sure he's refusing, or is the game just telling you that he needs to go on waivers before he can be demoted?

If he just has to go on waivers, then you put him on waivers and DFA, then put him in AAA when he clears. Clearing waivers has nothing to do with him becoming a free agent, either.

The only trouble you are in is the fact that the waivers will be irrevocable. So, if someone claims him, you lose him. There is no pullback from irrevocable waivers.

cavebutter · 04-15-2007, 01:55 PM

I should say that the guy has more than 5 years service time. When I try to demote him, I get a popup saying that he refuses.

sporr · 04-15-2007, 02:29 PM

Sorry, but there is currently no way to move the player down regardless of waivers.

bababui · 04-15-2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sporr

Sorry, but there is currently no way to move the player down regardless of waivers.

There is one way

Go into commissioner mode

click on the pitchers page and go to edit

where it says league scroll to AAA

where it says team pick your AAA franchise

cavebutter · 04-15-2007, 03:22 PM

Thanks. I don't want to play God at this point. The guy is staying on my roster as my mop-up reliever and spot starter. I hate that guy. Anyone want him?

bababui · 04-15-2007, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cavebutter

Thanks. I don't want to play God at this point. The guy is staying on my roster as my mop-up reliever and spot starter. I hate that guy. Anyone want him?

But its not playing God..its a mistake in the programming.

Le Grande Orange · 04-15-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cavebutter

I should say that the guy has more than 5 years service time. When I try to demote him, I get a popup saying that he refuses.

Players with five or more years of major league service cannot be assigned to the minor leagues without their permission. That's been the rule since 1973, when it was first put into the CBA between the players and owners. OOTP follows that rule.

cavebutter · 04-15-2007, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Players with five or more years of major league service cannot be assigned to the minor leagues without their permission. That's been the rule since 1973, when it was first put into the CBA between the players and owners. OOTP follows that rule.

Does this mean that even after I Waive/DFA him, and he clears waivers, he can still refuse the minors? Can't he see it's for his own good? Grrr.

Le Grande Orange · 04-15-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cavebutter

Does this mean that even after I Waive/DFA him, and he clears waivers, he can still refuse the minors? Can't he see it's for his own good? Grrr.

If he's got five or more years of major league service, he can refuse the assignment.

bababui · 04-15-2007, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Players with five or more years of major league service cannot be assigned to the minor leagues without their permission. That's been the rule since 1973, when it was first put into the CBA between the players and owners. OOTP follows that rule.

Sorry cavebutter..i was wrong.

cavebutter · 04-15-2007, 05:22 PM

No worries. I just feel bad for stupid Dennis Leath. That assignment would help his career- even if it means a few months in AAA. I'm going to end up trading him for a handful of prospects and he's not going to know the joy of wearing a championship ring.

bababui · 04-15-2007, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cavebutter

No worries. I just feel bad for stupid Dennis Leath. That assignment would help his career- even if it means a few months in AAA. I'm going to end up trading him for a handful of prospects and he's not going to know the joy of wearing a championship ring.

Curtis · 04-15-2007, 07:31 PM

I think you should still vote him a half or quarter share. Doesn't he deserve it more than the rubdown guy?

cavebutter · 04-15-2007, 07:52 PM

I could live with a quarter share, I suppose. But no way is he coming back to accept it like those Red Sox guys.

04-15-2007, 01:50 AM	#1
cavebutter All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,163	Players refusing assignment- I'd like to double-check this before I do something stupid. I have still developing young pitcher (Pitcher A) on my 25 man roster. He's pretty deep in the bullpen and not getting a lot of innings. I also just made a beauty of a trade for a 4.5 star middle reliever (Pitcher B) who I want in the pen. The prospect is out of options and refusing to be demoted. I'm thinking that in order to move him to AAA, I have to: Waive and DFA If/when he clears waivers I can put him anywhere I want. Is that right? Or can he go FA after he clears? Also, I'm worried that he won't clear waivers. If I have to pull him (A) back after I've got the new guy (B) on my staff, I'll have no place to put him. No use getting gray hairs over a game, right?

04-15-2007, 09:08 AM	#3
Solonor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maine Posts: 4,459	If he's a young prospect, I don't see how he can refuse to be demoted. Are you sure he's refusing, or is the game just telling you that he needs to go on waivers before he can be demoted? If he just has to go on waivers, then you put him on waivers and DFA, then put him in AAA when he clears. Clearing waivers has nothing to do with him becoming a free agent, either. The only trouble you are in is the fact that the waivers will be irrevocable. So, if someone claims him, you lose him. There is no pullback from irrevocable waivers. __________________ Solonor's Groovy Computer Baseball League - Making baseball a hobbit since 2003! "Beings will come, Frodo. The one constant through all the years has been baseball. Middle Earth has rolled by like an army of Mumakil. It has been erased like a slate, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Frodo. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... beings will come Frodo. Beings will most definitely come." - Gladden Field of Dreams

04-15-2007, 07:50 AM	#2
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 4,567	I can't tell you how it works in 2007, but in 2006 I had this situation, and no matter how many times I put that boy through waivers he STILL refused to report to the minors. You might end up having to trade him off.

04-15-2007, 01:55 PM	#4
cavebutter All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,163	I should say that the guy has more than 5 years service time. When I try to demote him, I get a popup saying that he refuses.

04-15-2007, 02:29 PM	#5
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Sorry, but there is currently no way to move the player down regardless of waivers.

04-15-2007, 03:22 PM	#7
cavebutter All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,163	Thanks. I don't want to play God at this point. The guy is staying on my roster as my mop-up reliever and spot starter. I hate that guy. Anyone want him?

04-15-2007, 05:22 PM	#13
cavebutter All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,163	No worries. I just feel bad for stupid Dennis Leath. That assignment would help his career- even if it means a few months in AAA. I'm going to end up trading him for a handful of prospects and he's not going to know the joy of wearing a championship ring.

04-15-2007, 07:31 PM	#15
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 4,567	I think you should still vote him a half or quarter share. Doesn't he deserve it more than the rubdown guy?

04-15-2007, 07:52 PM	#16
cavebutter All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,163	I could live with a quarter share, I suppose. But no way is he coming back to accept it like those Red Sox guys.