Is this a HOF Catcher?

scprideandms · 09-24-2002, 07:57 AM

Total AB : 7253
Total AVG : .300
Total Hits: 2177
Total HR : 366
Total RBI : 1249
Total Runs: 1246
Total SB : 30

PLAYER HISTORYDrafted in 1st round, 14th overall pick, by Kansas City in 2008... Traded from Kansas City to Milwaukee on 7/12/2008... Had first career hit on 8/29/2008, off Bernard Paredes (HOU)... Hit first career homerun on 4/3/2009, off Ken Cloude (CIN)... Injured on 5/17/2009 with a Jammed Finger, out for one week... Won Rookie of the Year in 2009, hitting .258 with 32 HR, 67 RBI... Won Batter of the Month award on 5/1/2010, hitting .407 with 10 HR, 29 RBI... Hit for the cycle against Chicago (N) on 6/27/2010... Had 5 hits with 5 RBI against Chicago (N) on 6/27/2010... Was selected to the 2010 Allstar game... Won Batter of the Month award on 8/1/2013, hitting .371 with 8 HR, 21 RBI... Was selected to the 2015 Allstar game... Drove in 6 runs against Atlanta on 8/27/2015... Signed as a free agent by Atlanta on 1/26/2016 to a 4-year deal worth $8,140,200 per year... Drove in 6 runs against Florida on 6/3/2016... Drove in 6 runs against Milwaukee on 6/15/2016... Was selected to the 2016 Allstar game... Was selected to the 2017 Allstar game... Was selected to the 2018 Allstar game... Had 5 hits with 3 RBI against San Diego on 9/22/2018... Injured on 7/11/2020 with a Stiff Shoulder, out for one week... Had 5 hits with 2 RBI against Pittsburgh on 8/4/2020... Injured on 8/13/2020 with a Broken Hip, out for full season... Had 2000th career hit on 6/21/2021, off John Schmidt (ARI)... Injured on 3/26/2022 with a Inflamed Posterior Cruciate Ligament, out for 3-4 weeks... Signed as a free agent by Seattle on 2/3/2024 to a 3-year deal worth $1,739,600 per year...

Steve Kuffrey · 09-24-2002, 08:04 AM

IMO, considering that he is a catcher I would say there is a good chance he would be. .300 average, 2000+ hits.......I'd vote for him.

Malleus Dei · 09-24-2002, 08:17 AM

That's a big maybe.

Scott Vibert · 09-24-2002, 09:55 AM

One time Rookie of the Year
One time Player of the Month (Aug. 2013)
Five time All star (2010,2015,2016,2017,2018)
Took at least 16 years to collect 2000 hits (probably more since he signed his last contract in 2024)
Borderline stats; No clue on his fielding ability.
Often injured late in his career.
No Championships.

Avg. Season (from career stats assuming only 16 seasons): 136 Hits, 23 HR, 78 RBI

He would be very borderline for me, I'd lean towards no, especially considering modern era settings... Potentially I could be swayed, but my first instinct is to say no.

Edit - Keep in mind OOTP catchers don't necessarily get as "worn down" as real catchers. (I.E. most OOTP catchers manage to remain a catcher their whole careers, rather than having to change positions in order to preserve their bodies) As a result saying that these are good numbers "for a catcher" is not always valid in OOTP.

Rasmuth · 09-24-2002, 10:00 AM

I would say yes...catchers very rarely put up those numbers. 2000+ hit catchers are rare. Couple that with a .300 batting average and 300 plus homers...I'd say he's in....assuming he actually played most of his games at catcher.

scprideandms · 09-24-2002, 10:12 AM

I thought he was borderline too (even though he's me in the FOB) at age 39 he's now in A ball for Seattle and ratings have dropped to 2's / 1'2 so I am pretty sure he is gonna retire...

Don't know how or can't get to fld stats but his arm was A, Def was C with .957

Falcon52 · 09-24-2002, 12:27 PM

I'd vote no.

As I believe Scott pointed out, catchers in OOTP seem to be able to play more games per season than in real life. Thus, their offensive output should be compared to any other regular in the league.

In my career league, my starting catcher averages between 150-155 games played per season over about a 8 or 9 year career. He's always in the .280 to .290 range, with 40+ homers and 115+ rbi's, but since offense is pretty high overall, I don't think he deserves to be in the HOF.

My HOF usually consists of guys who put up outstanding numbers, not just very good numbers. If a player doesn't have 3000 hits, or 550 homers or a lifetime .325 average with 2500 hits, don't even think about it in my league. But then again my offensive totals are higher than the norm (team ba's range from about .270 for the worst team to .305 to the best, plus the homer leader usually his mid to high 50's, and leading RBI man usually has about one per game, or 160 or so per season).

GurnB · 09-24-2002, 02:19 PM

It's funny to watch this conversation take place.

You are talking about whether a player should make the HoF pruely on the basis of his Statistical output. There is little discussion of the number of time he helped lead his team to the playoffs, or how he helped develop a young pitching staff into All-Stars themselves, etc.

Gary Carter would be a good example.(http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cartega01.shtml)

19 Seasons
BA .262
H 2092
HR 324
RBI 1225

An there isn't a lot of question if he should be in the HoF (72% of the vote last time)

In real life he have a different perspective on the players. An even though we can and do get attched to our OOTP players, it mostly comes down to numbers for HoF consideration.

Not saying Mark's player should or shouldn't be in the HoF, just think it's funny how we judge OOTP players vs the discussions that pop up in the 'Talking Baseball' forum about real players and whether they should be in the HoF.

scprideandms · 09-24-2002, 02:33 PM

What GurnB!!!!

Not a single comment about off-the-field activities, arrests, times in rehab, etc. about me????

GurnB · 09-24-2002, 04:23 PM

Well since some of those actions are still pending court dates, and the fact that I'm still looking for a new team mascot because you had my old one, "Shot, Stuffed, & Mounted", (I hope in that order!) I thought I'd stick to the 'on field' actions.

scprideandms · 09-24-2002, 05:17 PM

naw it was more like "Shot, Barbequued and Eaten...."

Greyhound goes real good with Ole Southpaw beer

09-24-2002, 07:57 AM	#1
scprideandms All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: N KY, 25 miles from Cincy Posts: 1,314	Is this a HOF Catcher? Total AB : 7253 Total AVG : .300 Total Hits: 2177 Total HR : 366 Total RBI : 1249 Total Runs: 1246 Total SB : 30 PLAYER HISTORYDrafted in 1st round, 14th overall pick, by Kansas City in 2008... Traded from Kansas City to Milwaukee on 7/12/2008... Had first career hit on 8/29/2008, off Bernard Paredes (HOU)... Hit first career homerun on 4/3/2009, off Ken Cloude (CIN)... Injured on 5/17/2009 with a Jammed Finger, out for one week... Won Rookie of the Year in 2009, hitting .258 with 32 HR, 67 RBI... Won Batter of the Month award on 5/1/2010, hitting .407 with 10 HR, 29 RBI... Hit for the cycle against Chicago (N) on 6/27/2010... Had 5 hits with 5 RBI against Chicago (N) on 6/27/2010... Was selected to the 2010 Allstar game... Won Batter of the Month award on 8/1/2013, hitting .371 with 8 HR, 21 RBI... Was selected to the 2015 Allstar game... Drove in 6 runs against Atlanta on 8/27/2015... Signed as a free agent by Atlanta on 1/26/2016 to a 4-year deal worth $8,140,200 per year... Drove in 6 runs against Florida on 6/3/2016... Drove in 6 runs against Milwaukee on 6/15/2016... Was selected to the 2016 Allstar game... Was selected to the 2017 Allstar game... Was selected to the 2018 Allstar game... Had 5 hits with 3 RBI against San Diego on 9/22/2018... Injured on 7/11/2020 with a Stiff Shoulder, out for one week... Had 5 hits with 2 RBI against Pittsburgh on 8/4/2020... Injured on 8/13/2020 with a Broken Hip, out for full season... Had 2000th career hit on 6/21/2021, off John Schmidt (ARI)... Injured on 3/26/2022 with a Inflamed Posterior Cruciate Ligament, out for 3-4 weeks... Signed as a free agent by Seattle on 2/3/2024 to a 3-year deal worth $1,739,600 per year... __________________ Change your playground + change your playfriends + change your playtoys + change your playtime = Change your life. If you keep on doing what you've always done you'll keep on gitting what you've always gotten.

09-24-2002, 08:04 AM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	IMO, considering that he is a catcher I would say there is a good chance he would be. .300 average, 2000+ hits.......I'd vote for him. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

09-24-2002, 09:55 AM	#4
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,267	One time Rookie of the Year One time Player of the Month (Aug. 2013) Five time All star (2010,2015,2016,2017,2018) Took at least 16 years to collect 2000 hits (probably more since he signed his last contract in 2024) Borderline stats; No clue on his fielding ability. Often injured late in his career. No Championships. Avg. Season (from career stats assuming only 16 seasons): 136 Hits, 23 HR, 78 RBI He would be very borderline for me, I'd lean towards no, especially considering modern era settings... Potentially I could be swayed, but my first instinct is to say no. Edit - Keep in mind OOTP catchers don't necessarily get as "worn down" as real catchers. (I.E. most OOTP catchers manage to remain a catcher their whole careers, rather than having to change positions in order to preserve their bodies) As a result saying that these are good numbers "for a catcher" is not always valid in OOTP. Last edited by Scott Vibert; 09-24-2002 at 10:18 AM.

09-24-2002, 10:12 AM	#6
scprideandms All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: N KY, 25 miles from Cincy Posts: 1,314	I thought he was borderline too (even though he's me in the FOB) at age 39 he's now in A ball for Seattle and ratings have dropped to 2's / 1'2 so I am pretty sure he is gonna retire... Don't know how or can't get to fld stats but his arm was A, Def was C with .957 __________________ Change your playground + change your playfriends + change your playtoys + change your playtime = Change your life. If you keep on doing what you've always done you'll keep on gitting what you've always gotten.

09-24-2002, 02:19 PM	#8
GurnB Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Carmel, IN Posts: 53	It's funny to watch this conversation take place. You are talking about whether a player should make the HoF pruely on the basis of his Statistical output. There is little discussion of the number of time he helped lead his team to the playoffs, or how he helped develop a young pitching staff into All-Stars themselves, etc. Gary Carter would be a good example.(http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cartega01.shtml) 19 Seasons BA .262 H 2092 HR 324 RBI 1225 An there isn't a lot of question if he should be in the HoF (72% of the vote last time) In real life he have a different perspective on the players. An even though we can and do get attched to our OOTP players, it mostly comes down to numbers for HoF consideration. Not saying Mark's player should or shouldn't be in the HoF, just think it's funny how we judge OOTP players vs the discussions that pop up in the 'Talking Baseball' forum about real players and whether they should be in the HoF. __________________ GurnB Playing OOTP since V2.0 and still not very good at it.

09-24-2002, 10:00 AM	#5
Rasmuth All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Upstate Western NY Posts: 1,760	I would say yes...catchers very rarely put up those numbers. 2000+ hit catchers are rare. Couple that with a .300 batting average and 300 plus homers...I'd say he's in....assuming he actually played most of his games at catcher.

09-24-2002, 12:27 PM	#7
Falcon52 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 615	I'd vote no. As I believe Scott pointed out, catchers in OOTP seem to be able to play more games per season than in real life. Thus, their offensive output should be compared to any other regular in the league. In my career league, my starting catcher averages between 150-155 games played per season over about a 8 or 9 year career. He's always in the .280 to .290 range, with 40+ homers and 115+ rbi's, but since offense is pretty high overall, I don't think he deserves to be in the HOF. My HOF usually consists of guys who put up outstanding numbers, not just very good numbers. If a player doesn't have 3000 hits, or 550 homers or a lifetime .325 average with 2500 hits, don't even think about it in my league. But then again my offensive totals are higher than the norm (team ba's range from about .270 for the worst team to .305 to the best, plus the homer leader usually his mid to high 50's, and leading RBI man usually has about one per game, or 160 or so per season).

09-24-2002, 02:33 PM	#9
scprideandms All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: N KY, 25 miles from Cincy Posts: 1,314	What GurnB!!!! Not a single comment about off-the-field activities, arrests, times in rehab, etc. about me???? __________________ Change your playground + change your playfriends + change your playtoys + change your playtime = Change your life. If you keep on doing what you've always done you'll keep on gitting what you've always gotten.

09-24-2002, 04:23 PM	#10
GurnB Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Carmel, IN Posts: 53	Well since some of those actions are still pending court dates, and the fact that I'm still looking for a new team mascot because you had my old one, "Shot, Stuffed, & Mounted", (I hope in that order!) I thought I'd stick to the 'on field' actions. __________________ GurnB Playing OOTP since V2.0 and still not very good at it.

09-24-2002, 05:17 PM	#11
scprideandms All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: N KY, 25 miles from Cincy Posts: 1,314	naw it was more like "Shot, Barbequued and Eaten...." Greyhound goes real good with Ole Southpaw beer __________________ Change your playground + change your playfriends + change your playtoys + change your playtime = Change your life. If you keep on doing what you've always done you'll keep on gitting what you've always gotten.