Zumaya for Smoltz = LOL!

lewis31lewis52 · 07-03-2006, 08:23 PM

Was watching Baseball Tonight just now, and Steve Philips was talking about the possibility of the Braves trading Smoltz, and up come the Tigers' name. Of course, being the idiot he is, he suggests Smoltz could be had for someone like, say, freaking Zumaya! Now, I'd love to have Smoltz back in Detroit, but what is this guy smoking? One of our best pitchers, who hasn't even hit his prime yet, for an aging guy like Smoltz?

Now I realize why the Mets fired him.

Raderick · 07-03-2006, 08:30 PM

Steve Phillips doesn't deserve to be on TV. Period.

lewis31lewis52 · 07-03-2006, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Raderick

Steve Phillips doesn't deserve to be on TV. Period.

Proof of which are his "Press Conferences" he held before this season.

He is good for the occasional laugh though.

CONN CHRIS · 07-03-2006, 08:44 PM

Insert Todd Jones for Zumaya and maybe something can be worked out.

mlyons · 07-03-2006, 08:48 PM

You guys are going to feel pretty silly when Atlanta turns that trade down.

CONN CHRIS · 07-03-2006, 08:58 PM

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You guys are going to feel pretty silly when Atlanta turns that trade down.

I doubt that Dombrowski would do it but yeah, Detroit would likely have to throw something else in.

I just can't see unloading young talent for an aging pitcher at this juncture. I don't see Detroit in a 'win now' mode. Dombrowski has been at this for a while and if it all ultimately doesn't click this year, it will soon.

But really, is their any way to unload Jones? He just scares the crap out of me. The clock will strike midnight soon and he'll start going through stretches of blowing three and four games at a clip.

KILLERBS24 · 07-03-2006, 09:13 PM

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I just can't see unloading young talent for an aging pitcher at this juncture. I don't see Detroit in a 'win now' mode. Dombrowski has been at this for a while and if it all ultimately doesn't click this year, it will soon.

Detroit isn't in a win now mode?? They have the best record in baseball! If they aren't in it to win this year they will never be. You can never count on being in this position again. With the Central being the way it is you may never be in this good a position again.
You may balk at giving up Zumaya, but Atlanta isn't going to give up Smoltz for nothing. And you can't dismiss him as being an aging player, if he was just an aging player you wouldn't want him. Smoltz has alot of value so you either step up with an offer of you wont get him.

rem · 07-03-2006, 09:32 PM

I'd go for it if I were Detroit because they might be more lucky than good.

CONN CHRIS · 07-03-2006, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KILLERBS24

Detroit isn't in a win now mode?? They have the best record in baseball! If they aren't in it to win this year they will never be. You can never count on being in this position again. With the Central being the way it is you may never be in this good a position again.
You may balk at giving up Zumaya, but Atlanta isn't going to give up Smoltz for nothing. And you can't dismiss him as being an aging player, if he was just an aging player you wouldn't want him. Smoltz has alot of value so you either step up with an offer of you wont get him.

I may have a longer view than most as I've been a fan since Billy took over as skipper in the early seventies. I also remember giving up a young pitcher for an established one (Doyle Alexander) back in 87. We wanted to 'win now' back then too. We got to the playoffs and ran into the Twinkies. Winning now doesn't excite me as much as it used to.

I think that young pitcher that we gave up had a pretty familiar name too.

QuestGAV · 07-03-2006, 09:49 PM

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I'd go for it if I were Detroit because they might be more lucky than good.

Wouldn't that be a good reason not to sell the farm?

Spielman · 07-03-2006, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I may have a longer view than most as I've been a fan since Billy took over as skipper in the early seventies. I also remember giving up a young pitcher for an established one (Doyle Alexander) back in 87. We wanted to 'win now' back then too. We got to the playoffs and ran into the Twinkies. Winning now doesn't excite me as much as it used to.

I think that young pitcher that we gave up had a pretty familiar name too.

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Though the situations are pretty different, the difference strengthens the argument against making a move like this one. The Tigers now have a good young core that has the potential to compete for years to come. Then, they had an aging core that was nearing the end of its window of opportunity. It made more sense to give up the youngster then than it does now. Zumaya probably won't turn out to be as good as Smoltz did, obviously, but even so, the Tigers would be silly to weaken themselves for the future.

CONN CHRIS · 07-03-2006, 10:24 PM

I think I've said elsewhere that as much as it hurts in hind site, I can't argue with that Alexander trade. You're right about the two being utterly different scenarios.

I kind of liked Alexander anyway - he always looked like he had just been washed up on shore from a shipwreck.

rem · 07-03-2006, 11:18 PM

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Wouldn't that be a good reason not to sell the farm?

Perhaps. But these chances are once in a lifetime. If I were the Orioles, I would have gone for it last year. I would've been wrong, but that's what I would've done.

fantom1979 · 07-04-2006, 12:18 AM

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I think I've said elsewhere that as much as it hurts in hind site, I can't argue with that Alexander trade. You're right about the two being utterly different scenarios.

The guy did go 9-0 down the stretch with a 1.53 era, just too bad he got lit up like a firecracker in the playoffs.

Caporegime · 07-04-2006, 10:20 AM

Smoltz for Zumaya?

Nice to see that Steve Phillips hasn’t allowed his cushy position at ESPN to dull those finely tuned decision making skills that got him canned as the Mets GM in the first place.

Spielman · 07-04-2006, 11:09 AM

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The guy did go 9-0 down the stretch with a 1.53 era, just too bad he got lit up like a firecracker in the playoffs.

I'd rather have seen the Blue Jays win the East if they would have gone on to beat the Twins and prevent the horror of a team with a Pythagorean record of 79-83 winning the World Series.

Luis_Rivera · 07-04-2006, 04:54 PM

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I'd go for it if I were Detroit because they might be more lucky than good.

Which is why they shouldn't... They'll likely be more good than lucky in a couple years.

KILLERBS24 · 07-04-2006, 05:06 PM

Yeah but so will Cleveland and Minnesota, and the White Sox may still be there. Detroit could be a better team and find themselves in 3rd place, they got a big jump on everyone to start the year, they have a shot at home field for the playoffs, the time is now for them, you cant worry about playing for the future.
I'm not saying they'd have to trade Zumaya because he is a important part of their ML club now, but they need to trade someone of somewhat similar value from their system.

Skipaway · 07-04-2006, 05:39 PM

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Which is why they shouldn't... They'll likely be more good than lucky in a couple years.

Depends. A lot of their key offense player are on the wrong side of 30, so it would depend on how well those guys age.

phenom · 07-04-2006, 07:51 PM

I thought the Zumaya for Smoltz talk jumped the shark about a week ago.

07-03-2006, 08:23 PM	#1
lewis31lewis52 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Central Michigan University Posts: 580	Zumaya for Smoltz = LOL! Was watching Baseball Tonight just now, and Steve Philips was talking about the possibility of the Braves trading Smoltz, and up come the Tigers' name. Of course, being the idiot he is, he suggests Smoltz could be had for someone like, say, freaking Zumaya! Now, I'd love to have Smoltz back in Detroit, but what is this guy smoking? One of our best pitchers, who hasn't even hit his prime yet, for an aging guy like Smoltz? Now I realize why the Mets fired him.

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CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,053	I think I've said elsewhere that as much as it hurts in hind site, I can't argue with that Alexander trade. You're right about the two being utterly different scenarios. I kind of liked Alexander anyway - he always looked like he had just been washed up on shore from a shipwreck. __________________ Check Out My Cards!

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Caporegime All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Borough of Kings Posts: 1,714	Smoltz for Zumaya? Nice to see that Steve Phillips hasn’t allowed his cushy position at ESPN to dull those finely tuned decision making skills that got him canned as the Mets GM in the first place. __________________ "If you don't know where you are going, you'll wind up someplace else." - Lawrence Peter Berra

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KILLERBS24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 938	Yeah but so will Cleveland and Minnesota, and the White Sox may still be there. Detroit could be a better team and find themselves in 3rd place, they got a big jump on everyone to start the year, they have a shot at home field for the playoffs, the time is now for them, you cant worry about playing for the future. I'm not saying they'd have to trade Zumaya because he is a important part of their ML club now, but they need to trade someone of somewhat similar value from their system. __________________ Asterisked legacy: Barry Bonds, the greatest steroid user ever

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phenom Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Near the Great Wall. On the GOOD side. Posts: 3,770	I thought the Zumaya for Smoltz talk jumped the shark about a week ago. __________________ reported