Hopkins @ 175?

hamed · 06-14-2006, 08:27 AM

In his prime @ 160, I recall Hopkins being rated as a 12 in TBCB. His latest rating, he's a 10, I think.

For those of you who saw his fight last Sat., what rating would you give him @ 175? I've read some accounts & people say he looked so good @ LHW, he probably should have moved up years ago - he fought like his prime years @ MW.

I'm looking forward to the HBO telecast myself before the live Taylor/Wright fight!

IceTea · 06-14-2006, 11:32 AM

Here is the rating that I'm using:
Rating: 11

hamed · 06-14-2006, 12:21 PM

Thanks IceTea. An 11 makes sense because Tarver was a 10 as I recall.

IceTea · 06-14-2006, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hamed

Thanks IceTea. An 11 makes sense because Tarver was a 10 as I recall.

That wasn't a vintage Tarver. He should be downgraded to "post-prime" and some of his ratings reduced, he appears to be gliding down the other side of the hill. I think the weight gain really hurt him.

MJ

a87star · 06-14-2006, 12:59 PM

I would move Tarver's rating down to an 8, maybe even a little lower. I'm wondering if he was adjusted in the new DB?

IceTea · 06-14-2006, 01:35 PM

He is an 8 in the latest addition. I assume he is still a 10 on the data base. I simed him an Hopkins 10 times and Hopkins won 6. The attached rating of Tarver is the one from the game not a creation or tweek on my part.

MJ

hamed · 06-14-2006, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IceTea

That wasn't a vintage Tarver. He should be downgraded to "post-prime" and some of his ratings reduced, he appears to be gliding down the other side of the hill. I think the weight gain really hurt him.

MJ

I agree. In my universe, Hopkins is moving up to take on Toney for his 168 lb WBA belt this weekend.

Hopkins is my IBF MW champ & in his last defense, he KO'd Nigel Benn @ 0:33 of the 3rd. He had to, Benn was going all out trying to take off Hopkins' head.

Thanks again!

IceTea · 06-15-2006, 12:14 AM

My creation of Hopkins is 5-17 in my simulations. Donny LaLonde has KO'd him twice.

hamed · 06-15-2006, 08:08 AM

Wow, 5-17? Hopkins has been my IBF MW champ since 1999 & is undefeated. I forget now how many defenses he's made but it's up there.

You're just a lousy manager for him IceTea.

LaLonde was my IBF LHW champ & lost a 15UD to Glen Johnson in a great fight.

Donny dropped down to 168 recently to challenge Hearns for his WBC SMW belt & Tommy TKO'd him in the 8th.

a87star · 06-15-2006, 01:04 PM

5-17? Ouch! That just proves anything is possible in TB2.

meade95 · 06-15-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by IceTea

My creation of Hopkins is 5-17 in my simulations. Donny LaLonde has KO'd him twice.

Damn - Either your Hopkins needs a ratings tweak or you've matched him up awful bad!

As for losing to LaLonde....was that at LHW?....No way B-Hop losses to him at SMW (outside a fluke)...and I'd still pick B-hop over him at LHW as well -

IceTea · 06-15-2006, 02:43 PM

I tweeked him again and he is still losing!

I think I have a virus in my game that dislikes him. He finally defeated Lalond TKO6 but is 20-48-6 (9). I can't wait for the new data base to get issued.

MJ

lethal liberal · 06-15-2006, 02:44 PM

I use the rating that game with the game. I have also found that Hopkins loses a few fights that he should win. I look at his ratings,and they appear to be right on point. I started a new Universe recently and I am currently in the process of having tournaments to determine my undisputed champion in each division. In the middleweight tourney,Hopkins was upset by D.Lopez in a 3rd round TKO. I was stunned.

hamed · 06-15-2006, 03:06 PM

Very surprising, Hopkins is a monster in my universe.

I checked & Hopkins is 25-0 (17 KO's) & just made his 14th title defense.

In the old TB card game, Sugar Ray Leonard holds my all time record for title defenses @ 17. He retired 25-0 @ the WW limit. Hagler was 2nd with 16 MW defenses & Salvador Sanchez 3rd with 15 defenses @ FW.

So BHop is closing in on tying my all time MW record & might catch Ray.

IceTea · 06-17-2006, 11:15 PM

Hopkins sure did look good in that bout. I made some minor adjustments to the rating posted above. I can't wait for the new data base. I think Hopkins as as much or more ring generalship that any fighter in the last 20 years.

MJ

mh2365 · 06-18-2006, 12:05 AM

This is not a criticism .....

There isn't a better cheater in the sport of boxing than Hopkins.

He holds and hits effectively ... he beats the hell out of the opponents hip bone, he has the best lead right, head butt combination in the business and seems to do all this while the ref isn't looking.

Jim_Kidd · 06-18-2006, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IceTea

Hopkins sure did look good in that bout. I made some minor adjustments to the rating posted above. I can't wait for the new data base. I think Hopkins as as much or more ring generalship that any fighter in the last 20 years.

MJ

You're right. If you think about what Hopkins main strength is - you can't say it's his power. You can't say it's his defense, either. He doesn't throw punches like a windmill or any of the other things that stand out when you talk about most of the great fighters of the past. The thing is, he seems to be able to size up each opponent and do what's necessary to beat them. Some he knocks out, some he decisions. He's definitely an intelligent thinking fighter and a "Ring General" in every sense of the word.

06-14-2006, 08:27 AM	#1
hamed Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	Hopkins @ 175? In his prime @ 160, I recall Hopkins being rated as a 12 in TBCB. His latest rating, he's a 10, I think. For those of you who saw his fight last Sat., what rating would you give him @ 175? I've read some accounts & people say he looked so good @ LHW, he probably should have moved up years ago - he fought like his prime years @ MW. I'm looking forward to the HBO telecast myself before the live Taylor/Wright fight!

06-14-2006, 11:32 AM	#2
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,851	Here is the rating that I'm using: Rating: 11 __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/ Last edited by IceTea; 02-23-2008 at 06:57 PM.

06-14-2006, 01:35 PM	#6
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,851	He is an 8 in the latest addition. I assume he is still a 10 on the data base. I simed him an Hopkins 10 times and Hopkins won 6. The attached rating of Tarver is the one from the game not a creation or tweek on my part. MJ __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/ Last edited by IceTea; 02-23-2008 at 06:58 PM.

06-15-2006, 12:14 AM	#8
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,851	My creation of Hopkins is 5-17 in my simulations. Donny LaLonde has KO'd him twice. __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/

06-15-2006, 08:08 AM	#9
hamed Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	Wow, 5-17? Hopkins has been my IBF MW champ since 1999 & is undefeated. I forget now how many defenses he's made but it's up there. You're just a lousy manager for him IceTea. LaLonde was my IBF LHW champ & lost a 15UD to Glen Johnson in a great fight. Donny dropped down to 168 recently to challenge Hearns for his WBC SMW belt & Tommy TKO'd him in the 8th. Last edited by hamed; 06-15-2006 at 08:10 AM.

06-14-2006, 12:21 PM	#3
hamed Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	Thanks IceTea. An 11 makes sense because Tarver was a 10 as I recall.

06-14-2006, 12:59 PM	#5
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,850	I would move Tarver's rating down to an 8, maybe even a little lower. I'm wondering if he was adjusted in the new DB?

06-15-2006, 01:04 PM	#10
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,850	5-17? Ouch! That just proves anything is possible in TB2.

06-15-2006, 02:43 PM	#12
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,851	I tweeked him again and he is still losing! I think I have a virus in my game that dislikes him. He finally defeated Lalond TKO6 but is 20-48-6 (9). I can't wait for the new data base to get issued. MJ __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/

06-15-2006, 02:44 PM	#13
lethal liberal All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Logan,WV Posts: 1,145	I use the rating that game with the game. I have also found that Hopkins loses a few fights that he should win. I look at his ratings,and they appear to be right on point. I started a new Universe recently and I am currently in the process of having tournaments to determine my undisputed champion in each division. In the middleweight tourney,Hopkins was upset by D.Lopez in a 3rd round TKO. I was stunned.

06-15-2006, 03:06 PM	#14
hamed Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	Very surprising, Hopkins is a monster in my universe. I checked & Hopkins is 25-0 (17 KO's) & just made his 14th title defense. In the old TB card game, Sugar Ray Leonard holds my all time record for title defenses @ 17. He retired 25-0 @ the WW limit. Hagler was 2nd with 16 MW defenses & Salvador Sanchez 3rd with 15 defenses @ FW. So BHop is closing in on tying my all time MW record & might catch Ray. Last edited by hamed; 06-16-2006 at 08:20 AM.

06-17-2006, 11:15 PM	#15
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,851	Hopkins sure did look good in that bout. I made some minor adjustments to the rating posted above. I can't wait for the new data base. I think Hopkins as as much or more ring generalship that any fighter in the last 20 years. MJ __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/

06-18-2006, 12:05 AM	#16
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	This is not a criticism ..... There isn't a better cheater in the sport of boxing than Hopkins. He holds and hits effectively ... he beats the hell out of the opponents hip bone, he has the best lead right, head butt combination in the business and seems to do all this while the ref isn't looking.