Advancing baserunners

thbroman · 06-09-2006, 07:48 AM

Here's something that I have noticed that others might want to comment on too. I couldn't find an earlier thread about it, so I thought that I would open one.

On groundball outs to the left side of the infield, I am seeing a runner on second advancing to third at least two-thirds of the time. That's far too high a ratio. Unless the SS has to make a spectacular play behind second, or unless he forgets to look the runner back, the runner should almost never advance. And yet they do -- a lot.

We need to get back to what OOTP 6.5 did with this situation -- it was pretty realistic.

pedrotn · 06-09-2006, 02:00 PM

I have noticed many times that on groundballs to 3b with a runner on second that the 3b and SS don't look back to runner to 2b and just go to 1b automatically. The runner then advances to 3rd on balls that they shouldn't.

On a side note in PbP my 3b is often trying to field balls going towards 2b. I keep telling him not to but he wont listen.

akw4572 · 06-12-2006, 02:36 PM

I'm getting some weird ones, I've had several runners from 2b advance to 3b on a groundball to the left side. I've also had runners not score on balls to the 2b when the infield is back. Not sure if it's been reported or not. Also on steals, some of the pbp is messed up........I'll get "he gets a great jump", then at the end of the play with the runner not running I'll get "he didn't get a good jump". Not sure if either had been reported or not.

jbsnadb · 06-12-2006, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by akw4572

I'm getting some weird ones, I've had several runners from 2b advance to 3b on a groundball to the left side. I've also had runners not score on balls to the 2b when the infield is back. Not sure if it's been reported or not. Also on steals, some of the pbp is messed up........I'll get "he gets a great jump", then at the end of the play with the runner not running I'll get "he didn't get a good jump". Not sure if either had been reported or not.

It has been reported, although I'm not sure if this is one of the issues being addressed in the patch. I've had the same issues you have. Runners on 2B not drawing a throw at home on simple base-hits to the outfield. Runners stealing third like the world was ending, etc.

Your second issue sounds like a deficiency in the "token system" the PxP uses, where there are certain lines called for in certain situations. This is also how you have a player getting turned around, losing the lights, falling on his ass, and making A STUPENDOUS CATCH!!!!

Hopefully both issues will be addressed.

pedrotn · 06-12-2006, 03:59 PM

Infielders seem unable to throw home when a runnner is on third and the ball is hit to the right side. I have had multiple instances of a 1b flipping to the pitcher covering first when a slow runner is headed home on a grounder. - Very frustrating.

battists · 06-16-2006, 12:19 PM

I logged this as TT #1869

thbroman · 06-16-2006, 12:21 PM

Thanks, Steve. I was afraid this one had been lost in the pile.

Ambermonk · 06-17-2006, 02:26 PM

Several times I have had a runner at 2nd base and had a fly-out to left field. The runner has always been able to tag-up and move to 3rd - as the left fielder just watches.

jeter6970 · 06-17-2006, 08:06 PM

Thank the good Lord -- can't wait until this is fixed. I have lost multiple games or leads in ONE season because of this.
Can't tell you how annoying it is to be be facing a man on second and no outs and have my pitcher give up a ground ball to SS or 3B and then either have to bring the infield in and give up a hit or allow runner to score on a sac fly to allow tie or lose games.

Ambermonk · 06-19-2006, 07:45 PM

I'll thank the devil himself, or even Marcus, if he can help fix this AI bug ;-)

jbsnadb · 06-19-2006, 08:00 PM

This has been logged in the system to be fixed. Hopefully, it will be.

akw4572 · 06-24-2006, 08:19 AM

Is this getting looked at?

StyxNCa · 06-24-2006, 09:27 AM

I've had a runner go from 1st to 3rd on a ground out to the SS.

tysok · 06-24-2006, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by StyxNCa

I've had a runner go from 1st to 3rd on a ground out to the SS.

Maybe the runner was those outfielders that appear to be everywhere.

You know the guy, the LF that dives for a ball on the RF line... the 3B that dives for a hard shot up the middle... the baseball universe is full of speedsters.

But not quite fast enough though it would seem... otherwise they wouldn't have to dive.

Ambermonk · 06-24-2006, 05:26 PM

I also have nearly all of these issues. Runners on 2nd advancing to 3rd in all conceivable circumstances seems to be the biggest problem - and I believe it has already been addressed and is being looked into. In one game the pitcher sneezed and the runner on 2nd advanced to 3rd [actually, I'm just kidding].

The most irritating for me is asking the runner on first to steal, getting a good jump on the pitcher, and then stopping - even against a catcher who has a terrible arm. On the same subject, AI catchers with terrible arms seem to be able to throw out runners with ease while human-controlled catchers aren't nearly so successful.

On a related subject, has anyone noticed that stealing 3rd from 2nd is almost automatic? I can't believe that this part of the simulation is realistic.

As a user who is playing a lot of games, I'm also very irritated about all of the "false" calls by anouncers: something like "Its a home run - no, wait a minute. He actually caught it!" or on a pick-off attempt: something like "and they picked the runner off - no the umpire changed his mind and the runner is safe?"

akw4572 · 06-24-2006, 07:13 PM

Anyone?

akw4572 · 06-25-2006, 09:03 AM

Ttt

jbsnadb · 06-25-2006, 09:31 AM

Chill dude. This has been brought up many times, and YEESSSSSSSS!!!!! it is being looked at.

akw4572 · 06-25-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jbsnadb

Chill dude. This has been brought up many times, and YEESSSSSSSS!!!!! it is being looked at.

Thanks, but I haven't seen a number.

jbsnadb · 06-25-2006, 09:24 PM

There are a number of things being discussed by those in the know, and this is rumored to be one of them. Most things that have been brought up either already have TT numbers, or won't be since the issues are already well known.

06-09-2006, 02:00 PM	#2
pedrotn Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kingsport, TN Posts: 31	Advancing Bases Error I have noticed many times that on groundballs to 3b with a runner on second that the 3b and SS don't look back to runner to 2b and just go to 1b automatically. The runner then advances to 3rd on balls that they shouldn't. On a side note in PbP my 3b is often trying to field balls going towards 2b. I keep telling him not to but he wont listen. __________________ Live, Love, Relax Baseball = Pure Joy

06-12-2006, 02:36 PM	#3
akw4572 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,601	Advancing baserunners I'm getting some weird ones, I've had several runners from 2b advance to 3b on a groundball to the left side. I've also had runners not score on balls to the 2b when the infield is back. Not sure if it's been reported or not. Also on steals, some of the pbp is messed up........I'll get "he gets a great jump", then at the end of the play with the runner not running I'll get "he didn't get a good jump". Not sure if either had been reported or not.

06-12-2006, 03:59 PM	#5
pedrotn Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kingsport, TN Posts: 31	Also... Infielders seem unable to throw home when a runnner is on third and the ball is hit to the right side. I have had multiple instances of a 1b flipping to the pitcher covering first when a slow runner is headed home on a grounder. - Very frustrating. __________________ Live, Love, Relax Baseball = Pure Joy

06-24-2006, 05:26 PM	#15
Ambermonk All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Morro Bay, CA Posts: 1,257	I also have nearly all of these issues. Runners on 2nd advancing to 3rd in all conceivable circumstances seems to be the biggest problem - and I believe it has already been addressed and is being looked into. In one game the pitcher sneezed and the runner on 2nd advanced to 3rd [actually, I'm just kidding]. The most irritating for me is asking the runner on first to steal, getting a good jump on the pitcher, and then stopping - even against a catcher who has a terrible arm. On the same subject, AI catchers with terrible arms seem to be able to throw out runners with ease while human-controlled catchers aren't nearly so successful. On a related subject, has anyone noticed that stealing 3rd from 2nd is almost automatic? I can't believe that this part of the simulation is realistic. As a user who is playing a lot of games, I'm also very irritated about all of the "false" calls by anouncers: something like "Its a home run - no, wait a minute. He actually caught it!" or on a pick-off attempt: something like "and they picked the runner off - no the umpire changed his mind and the runner is safe?" Last edited by Ambermonk; 06-27-2006 at 01:40 AM.

06-25-2006, 09:24 PM	#20
jbsnadb All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,098	There are a number of things being discussed by those in the know, and this is rumored to be one of them. Most things that have been brought up either already have TT numbers, or won't be since the issues are already well known. __________________ "And as I wander with my music through the jungles of Despair, my kid will learn guitar and find a street corner somewhere. There he'll make the silence listen to the dream behind the voice, and show his minstrel Hamlet daddy that there only was one choice."

06-09-2006, 07:48 AM	#1
thbroman All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 867	Advancing baserunners Here's something that I have noticed that others might want to comment on too. I couldn't find an earlier thread about it, so I thought that I would open one. On groundball outs to the left side of the infield, I am seeing a runner on second advancing to third at least two-thirds of the time. That's far too high a ratio. Unless the SS has to make a spectacular play behind second, or unless he forgets to look the runner back, the runner should almost never advance. And yet they do -- a lot. We need to get back to what OOTP 6.5 did with this situation -- it was pretty realistic.

06-16-2006, 12:19 PM	#6
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	I logged this as TT #1869

06-16-2006, 12:21 PM	#7
thbroman All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 867	Thanks, Steve. I was afraid this one had been lost in the pile.

06-17-2006, 02:26 PM	#8
Ambermonk All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Morro Bay, CA Posts: 1,257	Several times I have had a runner at 2nd base and had a fly-out to left field. The runner has always been able to tag-up and move to 3rd - as the left fielder just watches.

06-17-2006, 08:06 PM	#9
jeter6970 Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2004 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 69	Thank the good Lord -- can't wait until this is fixed. I have lost multiple games or leads in ONE season because of this. Can't tell you how annoying it is to be be facing a man on second and no outs and have my pitcher give up a ground ball to SS or 3B and then either have to bring the infield in and give up a hit or allow runner to score on a sac fly to allow tie or lose games.

06-19-2006, 07:45 PM	#10
Ambermonk All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Morro Bay, CA Posts: 1,257	I'll thank the devil himself, or even Marcus, if he can help fix this AI bug ;-)

06-19-2006, 08:00 PM	#11
jbsnadb All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,098	This has been logged in the system to be fixed. Hopefully, it will be.

06-24-2006, 08:19 AM	#12
akw4572 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,601	Is this getting looked at?

06-24-2006, 09:27 AM	#13
StyxNCa Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Victoria, Texas Posts: 3,136	I've had a runner go from 1st to 3rd on a ground out to the SS.

06-24-2006, 07:13 PM	#16
akw4572 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,601	Anyone?

06-25-2006, 09:03 AM	#17
akw4572 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,601	Ttt

06-25-2006, 09:31 AM	#18
jbsnadb All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,098	Chill dude. This has been brought up many times, and YEESSSSSSSS!!!!! it is being looked at. __________________ "And as I wander with my music through the jungles of Despair, my kid will learn guitar and find a street corner somewhere. There he'll make the silence listen to the dream behind the voice, and show his minstrel Hamlet daddy that there only was one choice."