Starting pre-1900 leagues

KurtBevacqua · 05-21-2006, 12:27 PM

I've searched and could only find a V5 reference on using Lahman/Ankits for a 19th century league as having to start in 1870, use fictional players, then go throught the painful process of manually removing, then deleting all those players, then manually importing the new players, ughh.

I want to start from 1894. I know lots of folks talk about their 19th century solo leagues using real players, is there another way to set one up that won't give me carpal tunnel?

canadiancreed · 05-21-2006, 12:29 PM

that is also something that I'd be intrested in, maybe it'll be easier in the new version?

Garlon · 05-23-2006, 09:03 AM

When Arod23 and I finish our upcoming DB, which has been heavily modified specifically with 1800's simulations in mind, I will release an 1871.lg file with everything set up.

To do this I have to start a fictional league in 1870, then delete al the players at the end of the season and import the 1871 rookies. Since 1871 is the first year of the DB all players who played in 1871 are listed as that being thei debut (rookie) season. So all of the 1871 players will import. This is the work-around method you read about for starting a league in the 1800's.

Unfortunately, starting in any year besides 1871 (or 1876 in the case of Ankit's DB in which he deleted all seasons before 1876) poses difficulties. So starting in 1894 would be a huge process. If I start a fictional league in 1893, then delete all players and move to 1894 I will only get the 1894 rookies....I will be missing all of the other players who were in the league that year. You'd have to then manually import each player from 1894 into the game by typing in their lahman id in the import player from DB screen.

I posted the readme file of the upcoming DB on our DB thread yesterday. The readme details the edits and changes we made to the DB, especially the ones that will provide better results with 1800's leagues. You can read the thread here

Vezna31 · 05-23-2006, 04:08 PM

I too have started an 1871 league. Currently, I am at the end of 1872 because of the time involved to complete each season. I did the process of starting in 1870, running a fictional, deleting all players at the end then importing real players in 1871. The hardest part of the setups is doing schedules for an odd number of teams. With 9 teams, broken into 2 leagues to get playoffs, I scheduled a 48 game season, one team playing 8 opponents 6 times each. It was the first time I ever did a schedule and it took me like 8 hours on a Sunday to do. Games were scheduled every 4 days for most of the teams because they only had 1 pitcher. Season was long because of this, April to late November.

For 1872 and 11 teams, I did a 60 game schedule, one team playing 10 opponents 6 times each. Again, another full day to make that schedule. All but 2 teams had 2 pitchers, but the league still went long because of those 2 teams, to the beginning of December.

And like a dumbass, I didn't save the first year's schedule not thinking that 1873 was going to be another 9 team league, so I will have to re-create the schedule again.

It is a lot of work, but my hopes is to one day have a perfectly recreated alternate universe of the last 130 years of baseball.

Garlon · 05-23-2006, 04:32 PM

Vazna that is alot of work. You are really going for year-to-year recreation I see. What I do for 1871 is essentially clone all of the pitchers like 3 times each and rename them. So my league basically has 4 Al Spaldings and 4 of all the other pitchers too. I set all teams to a strict order 4-man rotation and play a 162-game schedule. I also only use 8 teams instead of 9.

Vezna do you use Iatric's Era Calculator for your league? It is hard-coded not to accept a year before 1901, but I found a work-around for that by adding 100 years to every season in the mlbactuals.txt reference file. So when I start my league in 1871 I just tell the Era Calculator it is 1971 and it is then actually looking at the 1871 totals.

swampdragon · 05-23-2006, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KurtBevacqua

I've searched and could only find a V5 reference on using Lahman/Ankits for a 19th century league as having to start in 1870, use fictional players, then go throught the painful process of manually removing, then deleting all those players, then manually importing the new players, ughh.

I want to start from 1894. I know lots of folks talk about their 19th century solo leagues using real players, is there another way to set one up that won't give me carpal tunnel?

I intend to start an 1890 league, because of the extra players available. I think I'll have to do it by hand. I'll probably also have to use players who retired in the 1880s and fictional players if I want to have minor leagues.

05-21-2006, 12:27 PM	#1
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	Starting pre-1900 leagues I've searched and could only find a V5 reference on using Lahman/Ankits for a 19th century league as having to start in 1870, use fictional players, then go throught the painful process of manually removing, then deleting all those players, then manually importing the new players, ughh. I want to start from 1894. I know lots of folks talk about their 19th century solo leagues using real players, is there another way to set one up that won't give me carpal tunnel? __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

05-21-2006, 12:29 PM	#2
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	that is also something that I'd be intrested in, maybe it'll be easier in the new version? __________________ PT21 PT22

05-23-2006, 04:08 PM	#4
Vezna31 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Wherever My VPN says Posts: 1,986	I too have started an 1871 league. Currently, I am at the end of 1872 because of the time involved to complete each season. I did the process of starting in 1870, running a fictional, deleting all players at the end then importing real players in 1871. The hardest part of the setups is doing schedules for an odd number of teams. With 9 teams, broken into 2 leagues to get playoffs, I scheduled a 48 game season, one team playing 8 opponents 6 times each. It was the first time I ever did a schedule and it took me like 8 hours on a Sunday to do. Games were scheduled every 4 days for most of the teams because they only had 1 pitcher. Season was long because of this, April to late November. For 1872 and 11 teams, I did a 60 game schedule, one team playing 10 opponents 6 times each. Again, another full day to make that schedule. All but 2 teams had 2 pitchers, but the league still went long because of those 2 teams, to the beginning of December. And like a dumbass, I didn't save the first year's schedule not thinking that 1873 was going to be another 9 team league, so I will have to re-create the schedule again. It is a lot of work, but my hopes is to one day have a perfectly recreated alternate universe of the last 130 years of baseball. __________________ Owner/Operator - Vezna Financial Services - Accounting and taxes.

05-23-2006, 09:03 AM	#3
Garlon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,270	When Arod23 and I finish our upcoming DB, which has been heavily modified specifically with 1800's simulations in mind, I will release an 1871.lg file with everything set up. To do this I have to start a fictional league in 1870, then delete al the players at the end of the season and import the 1871 rookies. Since 1871 is the first year of the DB all players who played in 1871 are listed as that being thei debut (rookie) season. So all of the 1871 players will import. This is the work-around method you read about for starting a league in the 1800's. Unfortunately, starting in any year besides 1871 (or 1876 in the case of Ankit's DB in which he deleted all seasons before 1876) poses difficulties. So starting in 1894 would be a huge process. If I start a fictional league in 1893, then delete all players and move to 1894 I will only get the 1894 rookies....I will be missing all of the other players who were in the league that year. You'd have to then manually import each player from 1894 into the game by typing in their lahman id in the import player from DB screen. I posted the readme file of the upcoming DB on our DB thread yesterday. The readme details the edits and changes we made to the DB, especially the ones that will provide better results with 1800's leagues. You can read the thread here

05-23-2006, 04:32 PM	#5
Garlon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,270	Vazna that is alot of work. You are really going for year-to-year recreation I see. What I do for 1871 is essentially clone all of the pitchers like 3 times each and rename them. So my league basically has 4 Al Spaldings and 4 of all the other pitchers too. I set all teams to a strict order 4-man rotation and play a 162-game schedule. I also only use 8 teams instead of 9. Vezna do you use Iatric's Era Calculator for your league? It is hard-coded not to accept a year before 1901, but I found a work-around for that by adding 100 years to every season in the mlbactuals.txt reference file. So when I start my league in 1871 I just tell the Era Calculator it is 1971 and it is then actually looking at the 1871 totals.