What would you like to see?

Deft · 12-29-2005, 02:36 AM

I thought I would expand the debate about what the OOTP fans would like to see. Since each new feature is development time for our fearless leader, what do you want to see most?

Multiple league format- The ability to create sub-leagues and the multi-national features as seen in the latest screen shots

MLB accuracy- Incorporate assignment and relegate, focus more or the MLB farm system

Baseball accuracy- Address the ratings, and the player algorhythms

UngratefulDead · 12-29-2005, 02:50 AM

Multiple league format, baseball accuracy, and MLB accuracy in that order.

Hotwheelz · 12-29-2005, 03:11 AM

Id like to see the ability to have leagues interact with each other. If I had one main league with a league in Mexico and Australia, it would be nice to see the leagues sell players between the leagues. That would be cool.

DreamTeams · 12-29-2005, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotwheelz

Id like to see the ability to have leagues interact with each other. If I had one main league with a league in Mexico and Australia, it would be nice to see the leagues sell players between the leagues. That would be cool.

I'd like to see the selling of player contracts between leagues, too, hotwheelz.

SSG Troyer · 12-29-2005, 04:19 AM

Baseball accuracy first, foremost, and always. Once we're playing baseball, then multiple leagues. MLB comes with "multiple leagues." After all, what's MLB but a custom league with a specific setup?

But the game needs to be as much "baseball" as possible, lest we end up playing Pete Rose Baseball (bet hardly anyone remembers that game) in French Guyana ...

theasfl · 12-29-2005, 04:44 AM

a, c, b...but Im skeptical of the whole system at this point. Markus has final say over what he does, so in all reality its not what we ask for its what he sees and does. Perhaps he should work on a few different versions of the series to appease us all.

attackemu · 12-29-2005, 07:22 AM

c, a, b

I agree with what you said in the other thread, Deft, that simulating the game of baseball accurately is the most important thing. I also think OOTP6 does an extraordinary job of that, compared to any other simulator I've ever played. Work can still be done on player development, more specific ratings, etc, and I'm confident work will be done on those things. I have no doubt in my mind that Markus' primary goal is to create the most accurate baseball sim he can, regardless of the league set-up, et al.

But, the multi-league format is a huge addition to the game, even for folks who want to sim MLB. I don't understand the either/or aspect of the argument. For the most accurate MLB sim possible, doesn't it make sense to have a fully functional Japanese league to import players from? And Dominican/Venezuelan/Panamian/etc. players that you scout and develop? In my opinion, those were things that were notably missing from making MLB simulation as realistic as possible in previous incarnations of OOTP. (They did make it into v6, in a very limited way, I realize.)

The ability for World League stuff is something that should appeal to everybody, and I'm a little confused about the debate.

Malleus Dei · 12-29-2005, 11:05 AM

Baseball accuracy, MLB accuracy, and multiple league format, in that order.

The baseball model has to come first, but I'd really like to see all of the MLB's basics covered.

Malleus Dei · 12-29-2005, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DreamTeams

I'd like to see the selling of player contracts between leagues, too, hotwheelz.

Plus the game needs to allow for selling players between teams in a league, as used to be legal in the MLB before Finley messed everything up.

DreamTeams · 12-29-2005, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

Plus the game needs to allow for selling players between teams in a league, as used to be legal in the MLB before Finley messed everything up.

Yes. I'd love to see the selling of contracts between teams or leagues like it used to be done before the minor league systems and free agency. Don't get me wrong, I love player trades and a limited form of free agency, but the classic form of doing baseball business just appeals to me.

Assos · 12-29-2005, 02:30 PM

Now, they trade players for cash, no more selling players. I'd like tomake sure that baseball, as we know it, is the main focus in the game. MLB rules are fine, as long as the baseball model is sound.

Le Grande Orange · 12-29-2005, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

Plus the game needs to allow for selling players between teams in a league, as used to be legal in the MLB before Finley messed everything up.

Not just between teams in the same league, but teams in different leagues too. Selling off promising players was the way many a minor league team used to turn a nice profit back in the days when the minors were more independent entities and not simply farm teams of major league clubs.

The Baltimore Orioles of the International League during the early 1920s is a great example of this.

I thought about posting a thread about the selling of players for cash, with some specific examples from the aforementioned minor league team.

Long_Long_Name · 12-29-2005, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

Plus the game needs to allow for selling players between teams in a league, as used to be legal in the MLB before Finley messed everything up.

You do realize that this is done a lot in soccer and not a lot in baseball, just like promotion/relegation or Champions' cups, right?

jm47048 · 12-29-2005, 06:00 PM

Here is what I would like to see in regards to league format. I would like to make full leagues from several different countries. For example:

32 teams in the United States.
32 teams from Europe.
32 teams from Russia and North East Aisa
32 teams from the Orient
32 teams from the Carribain and Mexico
etc....

Each leauge would field a champion. So say we have a number of leagues equal to that of a power of 2, i.e. 4 leagues, 8, leagues, 16, leagues, each with 32 teams. There could be a playoff structure in each leauge, and then when a champion is decleared, we can start a "winners" playoff system. Does this make sense? I realize this is a lot of teams, but it is simply a hypothetical situation. 24 teams in a league? 16? It doesn't matter. What I am saying is that each leauge has its own playoffs, and then the champions in each leauge get seeded and fight for an overall champion.

So if there were 32 teams in each league, for example, we would have 3 rounds in each leauge. Then if there were 8 leagues, there would be 3 additional rounds to determine the big bad mother of all of the leauges put together. Kinda like having 8 MLB sized leagues around the world. The World Series winner would play someone in the big champion.

Long_Long_Name · 12-29-2005, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jm47048

Here is what I would like to see in regards to league format. I would like to make full leagues from several different countries. For example:

32 teams in the United States.
32 teams from Europe.
32 teams from Russia and North East Aisa
32 teams from the Orient
32 teams from the Carribain and Mexico
etc....

Each leauge would field a champion. So say we have a number of leagues equal to that of a power of 2, i.e. 4 leagues, 8, leagues, 16, leagues, each with 32 teams. There could be a playoff structure in each leauge, and then when a champion is decleared, we can start a "winners" playoff system. Does this make sense? I realize this is a lot of teams, but it is simply a hypothetical situation. 24 teams in a league? 16? It doesn't matter. What I am saying is that each leauge has its own playoffs, and then the champions in each leauge get seeded and fight for an overall champion.

So if there were 32 teams in each league, for example, we would have 3 rounds in each leauge. Then if there were 8 leagues, there would be 3 additional rounds to determine the big bad mother of all of the leauges put together. Kinda like having 8 MLB sized leagues around the world. The World Series winner would play someone in the big champion.

Champions' League. Not happening, according to Markus. The petition in my signature had that as a goal.

Deft · 12-29-2005, 07:27 PM

One thing I thought about was multi-league format is probably easiest to do since Markus is piggy-backing on SI coding. So to incorporate it is a no brainer. But I still like baseball accuracy, followed by multi-league and then MLB.

Malleus Dei · 12-29-2005, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Long_Long_Name

You do realize that this is done a lot in soccer and not a lot in baseball, just like promotion/relegation or Champions' cups, right?

What I know, because I was there, is that it was commonly done in baseball before Finley of the A's caused the MLB to ban the practice.

And LGO is right, the minor league teams made money doing it as well.

Malleus Dei · 12-29-2005, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Long_Long_Name

Champions' League. Not happening, according to Markus.

Whew. Good news.

Malleus Dei · 12-29-2005, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

I thought about posting a thread about the selling of players for cash, with some specific examples from the aforementioned minor league team.

LGO, I really wish that you would start a thread like that.

Le Grande Orange · 12-29-2005, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

LGO, I really wish that you would start a thread like that.

I probably will. I remember you had mentioned in another thread some time ago that selling for players for cash would be a good option to include, and a book I recently picked up on the International League had some nice examples of it. So I thought such examples would provide a good case for the feature's inclusion.

I also was going to piggy-back another idea onto the thread, something else I saw in the book. This was about how in earlier days major league players who had finished their major league careers sometimes went back down the minors and had second careers there, often successful ones lasting quite a few years. This is in stark contrast to the minors today, which is almost entirely a one-way affair from the lower levels to the majors (with the exception of a tiny number of major leaguers playing in independent leagues).

Being able to replicate such situations with former major leaguers playing on after their major league careers were done would also be a good addition, in my view at least.

12-29-2005, 02:36 AM	#1
Deft All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,113	What would you like to see? I thought I would expand the debate about what the OOTP fans would like to see. Since each new feature is development time for our fearless leader, what do you want to see most? Multiple league format- The ability to create sub-leagues and the multi-national features as seen in the latest screen shots MLB accuracy- Incorporate assignment and relegate, focus more or the MLB farm system Baseball accuracy- Address the ratings, and the player algorhythms __________________ ATHL Louisville Jockeys (2001-present) 2002, 2007, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2020 World Champions Uniform Template 1.2 Last edited by Deft; 12-29-2005 at 02:43 AM.

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SSG Troyer All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somewhere to the left of 2nd base Posts: 1,598	Baseball accuracy first, foremost, and always. Once we're playing baseball, then multiple leagues. MLB comes with "multiple leagues." After all, what's MLB but a custom league with a specific setup? But the game needs to be as much "baseball" as possible, lest we end up playing Pete Rose Baseball (bet hardly anyone remembers that game) in French Guyana ... __________________ MWT Did Tennesee Delaware Mississppi's New Jersey? Idaho ... Alaska!

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attackemu All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 972	c, a, b I agree with what you said in the other thread, Deft, that simulating the game of baseball accurately is the most important thing. I also think OOTP6 does an extraordinary job of that, compared to any other simulator I've ever played. Work can still be done on player development, more specific ratings, etc, and I'm confident work will be done on those things. I have no doubt in my mind that Markus' primary goal is to create the most accurate baseball sim he can, regardless of the league set-up, et al. But, the multi-league format is a huge addition to the game, even for folks who want to sim MLB. I don't understand the either/or aspect of the argument. For the most accurate MLB sim possible, doesn't it make sense to have a fully functional Japanese league to import players from? And Dominican/Venezuelan/Panamian/etc. players that you scout and develop? In my opinion, those were things that were notably missing from making MLB simulation as realistic as possible in previous incarnations of OOTP. (They did make it into v6, in a very limited way, I realize.) The ability for World League stuff is something that should appeal to everybody, and I'm a little confused about the debate. __________________ "Disguised in EMU's Blunt and sometimes hostile post is actually very sound advice. I think you would be wise to consider what he said." -ihatenames

12-29-2005, 06:00 PM	#14
jm47048 All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,247	Here is what I would like to see in regards to league format. I would like to make full leagues from several different countries. For example: 32 teams in the United States. 32 teams from Europe. 32 teams from Russia and North East Aisa 32 teams from the Orient 32 teams from the Carribain and Mexico etc.... Each leauge would field a champion. So say we have a number of leagues equal to that of a power of 2, i.e. 4 leagues, 8, leagues, 16, leagues, each with 32 teams. There could be a playoff structure in each leauge, and then when a champion is decleared, we can start a "winners" playoff system. Does this make sense? I realize this is a lot of teams, but it is simply a hypothetical situation. 24 teams in a league? 16? It doesn't matter. What I am saying is that each leauge has its own playoffs, and then the champions in each leauge get seeded and fight for an overall champion. So if there were 32 teams in each league, for example, we would have 3 rounds in each leauge. Then if there were 8 leagues, there would be 3 additional rounds to determine the big bad mother of all of the leauges put together. Kinda like having 8 MLB sized leagues around the world. The World Series winner would play someone in the big champion. __________________ The New York Yankees World Series Champions 1923, 1927, 1928, 1932, 1936, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1941, 1943, 1947, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1956, 1958, 1961, 1962, 1977, 1978, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2009 American League Champions 1921, 1922, 1923, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1932, 1936, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1941, 1942, 1943, 1947, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1981, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2009, 2024

12-29-2005, 02:50 AM	#2
UngratefulDead Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 3,415	Multiple league format, baseball accuracy, and MLB accuracy in that order.

12-29-2005, 03:11 AM	#3
Hotwheelz All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,620	Id like to see the ability to have leagues interact with each other. If I had one main league with a league in Mexico and Australia, it would be nice to see the leagues sell players between the leagues. That would be cool.

12-29-2005, 02:30 PM	#11
Assos All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Just on the fair side of the foul pole! Posts: 1,768	Now, they trade players for cash, no more selling players. I'd like tomake sure that baseball, as we know it, is the main focus in the game. MLB rules are fine, as long as the baseball model is sound.

12-29-2005, 07:27 PM	#16
Deft All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,113	One thing I thought about was multi-league format is probably easiest to do since Markus is piggy-backing on SI coding. So to incorporate it is a no brainer. But I still like baseball accuracy, followed by multi-league and then MLB. __________________ ATHL Louisville Jockeys (2001-present) 2002, 2007, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2020 World Champions Uniform Template 1.2