Spring training-no improvement

ts2000 · 06-27-2002, 04:23 AM

Hopefully, someone can help me with this. I've just purchased the game and after simming one season I thought it was the best sports sim I ever played, but then spring training came along the next season. I had 7 or 8 young players, ages 18 to 24, with a good to brilliant batting average talent level, but all of these players had 0 for their batting average rating. Naturally, I wanted to increase this rating in spring training so I allocated AT LEAST 10 points to each player's contact hitting. For one player, I actually allocated all 20 points. Yet, not a single player improved in their batting average rating, not even by a point. In fact, I found that almost none of my players improved at all in any area. I am missing something? Did I do something wrong?

holyroller · 06-27-2002, 04:56 AM

No, you didn't do anything wrong and you didn't miss anything. In general, spring training doesn't help all that much in the player development department. Sometimes a player will get a slight boost in a rating, but generally, nothing happens. What does increase ratings is AB's, minor or major league. Don't worry, your youngsters will develop normally.

TwinsFan · 06-27-2002, 11:38 AM

It's very hard to get a young prospect to improve. Young players usually dont start showing much improvement until they reach 23-24.

Steve Kuffrey · 06-27-2002, 11:47 AM

You won't get a huge improvement in ST anyway, as in the major leagues that normally isn't when players improve a great deal. It "can" help but won't make any big strides.

ts2000 · 06-27-2002, 01:16 PM

I feel a little better then. As long as they'll eventually live up to their potential. Still, it makes you wonder why the game has spring training at all if it has little or no effect on player development. Also, I wondered how much my manager's talent level had to do with it. Most of the players I was talking about were at Single A, and my Single A manager is Very Good in developing hitters and pitchers, but not Excellent or Brilliant. Does anyone know if players develop better if their numbers on the field are better? In other words if two players with the exact same talent levels were in Single A and one hit .320 and another hit .120, would the guy who hit .320 see a bigger increase in his contact rating than the guy who hit .120?

Steve Kuffrey · 06-27-2002, 01:39 PM

ST does have an effect, but as I said you don't see guys in MLB go from duds to studs all because of ST. All aspects of the game work together, add 2 or 3 spring trainings together and things begin to add up(improvement during this time is seen in fractions). Also, players can be trained to play new positions and emphasis can be concentrated on weaker areas of a player's game during this time where you can have input.

holyroller · 06-27-2002, 04:56 PM

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Does anyone know if players develop better if their numbers on the field are better? In other words if two players with the exact same talent levels were in Single A and one hit .320 and another hit .120, would the guy who hit .320 see a bigger increase in his contact rating than the guy who hit .120?

I can't say with certainty if this is the case or not, but I do believe that it is. I do know from experience, that you are more likely to see changes is a players talent levels (ie potential ratings) based on their performance. I've had many a first round draft pick struggle in AA and then look with horror at the player development screen as it says
Stud Picks talent in hitting for average drops....
Stud Picks talent in hitting home runs drops....
Stud Picks talent in taking walks drops....

TwinsFan · 06-28-2002, 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by holyroller

Stud Picks talent in hitting for average drops....
Stud Picks talent in hitting home runs drops....
Stud Picks talent in taking walks drops....

I strongly believe performance has nothing to do with increasing or decreasing the players talent ratings.
I've seen guys perform well and have their talent drop, and i've seen guys struggle but have their talent ratings increase.

06-27-2002, 04:23 AM	#1
ts2000 Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2	Spring training-no improvement Hopefully, someone can help me with this. I've just purchased the game and after simming one season I thought it was the best sports sim I ever played, but then spring training came along the next season. I had 7 or 8 young players, ages 18 to 24, with a good to brilliant batting average talent level, but all of these players had 0 for their batting average rating. Naturally, I wanted to increase this rating in spring training so I allocated AT LEAST 10 points to each player's contact hitting. For one player, I actually allocated all 20 points. Yet, not a single player improved in their batting average rating, not even by a point. In fact, I found that almost none of my players improved at all in any area. I am missing something? Did I do something wrong?

06-27-2002, 04:56 AM	#2
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	No, you didn't do anything wrong and you didn't miss anything. In general, spring training doesn't help all that much in the player development department. Sometimes a player will get a slight boost in a rating, but generally, nothing happens. What does increase ratings is AB's, minor or major league. Don't worry, your youngsters will develop normally. __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.”

06-27-2002, 11:47 AM	#4
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,023	You won't get a huge improvement in ST anyway, as in the major leagues that normally isn't when players improve a great deal. It "can" help but won't make any big strides. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

06-27-2002, 01:39 PM	#6
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,023	ST does have an effect, but as I said you don't see guys in MLB go from duds to studs all because of ST. All aspects of the game work together, add 2 or 3 spring trainings together and things begin to add up(improvement during this time is seen in fractions). Also, players can be trained to play new positions and emphasis can be concentrated on weaker areas of a player's game during this time where you can have input. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

06-27-2002, 11:38 AM	#3
TwinsFan Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Some planet in outer space Posts: 197	It's very hard to get a young prospect to improve. Young players usually dont start showing much improvement until they reach 23-24.

06-27-2002, 01:16 PM	#5
ts2000 Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2	I feel a little better then. As long as they'll eventually live up to their potential. Still, it makes you wonder why the game has spring training at all if it has little or no effect on player development. Also, I wondered how much my manager's talent level had to do with it. Most of the players I was talking about were at Single A, and my Single A manager is Very Good in developing hitters and pitchers, but not Excellent or Brilliant. Does anyone know if players develop better if their numbers on the field are better? In other words if two players with the exact same talent levels were in Single A and one hit .320 and another hit .120, would the guy who hit .320 see a bigger increase in his contact rating than the guy who hit .120?