Did the Texans blow their game and is it worth it?

molarmite · 12-12-2005, 09:20 PM

For those of who you haven't seen the footage yet, the Texans are down by three with little time left if the 4th. They bring out their kicker and he completely shanks it 20 yards left and a couple yards short. Did he do it on purpose? And is Reggie Bush worth tanking for?

Faroo6 · 12-12-2005, 09:51 PM

Texans have had leads in their last three games, two of those games they had leads late in the fourth quarter. Record in those games 0-3. Tankers. Its ok though. They have to play the Niners and that will be a game of whoever can tank the best.

Jonzard · 12-12-2005, 10:15 PM

Did they intentionally lose? Nope. Many players and the coach won't be there next year anyway so what do they care?

On if it was worth it? Its all speculative because you never know how a running back will do. There have been plenty of busts like that in the NFL draft.

jazzrack · 12-12-2005, 10:16 PM

they just stink, there is no reason to try an tank it.

JDOldSchool · 12-12-2005, 10:32 PM

I think they're stupid if they draft Bush with the #1 pick. I hope that if they're trying hard to get that pick they're going to trade it and actually get some non-skill position players that don't suck. Carr, Davis, and Johnson are 3 solid pieces to the puzzle. They'd be better off with D'Brickashaw Ferguson than Reggie.

abailey3313 · 12-12-2005, 10:34 PM

I would assume Dom Capers is trying to look good for future coaching jobs. And it'd be tough to find a kicker willing to miss a kick as easily as they come and go in the NFL. So nah, I doubt they tanked.

And yes, Reggie is worth tanking for. Why? Because the difference between the first and second pick in the draft is huge for a team like the Texans, who probably don't have Leinart as their Plan B.

JDOldSchool · 12-12-2005, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

Because the difference between the first and second pick in the draft is huge for a team like the Texans, who probably don't have Leinart as their Plan B.

And if they're smart (which they clearly aren't), Reggie Bush isn't their Plan A. A team can win with Davis as the starting running back. No team wins with that offensive line, Reggie Bush or no Reggie Bush.

abailey3313 · 12-12-2005, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

And if they're smart (which they clearly aren't), Reggie Bush isn't their Plan A. A team can win with Davis as the starting running back. No team wins with that offensive line, Reggie Bush or no Reggie Bush.

I'm going to agree with you in one way and disagree in another.

Obviously, there's more problems in Houston than one player is going to fix. Everyone knows that. By saying "they'd be better off filling this hole and that hole", you're not really pointing out anything that anyone doesn't already know. So, do I think they should use the bargaining chip that is Reggie Bush at #1 and get a boat load of draft picks -- maybe the route the Saints went when trading Ricky Williams? Sure. It'd be logical in a lot of ways.

On the other hand, Reggie Bush is touted as arguably the greatest college football player that anyone in this generation has ever seen. I don't care if that's what you or I believe or not, that's what's being said by people who are paid to give their opinions. So if you happen to have an opportunity to put that player on your team, it's not as easy as one, two, three to pass up.

Last season when the Dolphins stunk it up, I was bitter about their drafting of Ronnie Brown second overall. Our offensive line stunk. We could've filled so many holes by trading down. And it's not as though Brown has morphed the Dolphins into world-beaters. But they're a competitive team this year. So at some point, thanks in part to changes in the coaching ranks (which will also be happening in Houston), the addition of Brown (whom is not as talented as Bush), and a mysterious improvement of the offensive line (almost anything would be an upgrade for Houston), they become a better-than-decent football team.

I'm not suggesting that Houston is going to vastly improve solely off the addition of Bush. But there's going to be a regime change in Houston. A new coaching staff is on the horizon, and more than likely a few additions to patch a hole here and there. Bush is only a piece to the puzzle. And when you look at this year's draft, he's the biggest, sharpest piece of them all.

Le Grande Orange · 12-12-2005, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by molarmite

For those of who you haven't seen the footage yet, the Texans are down by three with little time left if the 4th. They bring out their kicker and he completely shanks it 20 yards left and a couple yards short. Did he do it on purpose?

Are you sure the someone on the defending team didn't get part of a hand on the ball and deflect it? That sure sounds like a possibility, given what you described.

If the team did lose on purpose to secure a better draft pick, then that's going to look bad on the NFL. In which case some sort of draft lottery would put an end to such shenanigans — no guarantee of a certain pick by losing there.

KILLERBS24 · 12-12-2005, 10:50 PM

Ferguson would help the OL greatly, however Reggie Bush is a better back right now than Dominic Davis. Davis is an average NFL running back, Bush is a HOF talent, its an easy choice. Davis might not even be the best RB on the team, if given carries Vernand Morency would be every bit of Dominic Davis. With only a couple exceptions every GM in the league would give up their current RB if they could get Bush. I've read NFL GM's saying most any team would take Bush and reconfigure the team around him cuz he's that good. Houston is hardly in a position to pass him up because of Dominic Davis.

abailey3313 · 12-12-2005, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KILLERBS24

Houston is hardly in a position to pass him up because of Dominic Davis.

Coaches hate turnovers, and Reggie Bush hasn't fumbled once in three years at USC. Davis has a habit of doing it (despite having considerably lower fumbles per year, per ESPN.com).

KILLERBS24 · 12-12-2005, 10:55 PM

Bush actually has a fumble but it was on a kick return against Fresno. However he then went on to single handedly win the game.

abailey3313 · 12-12-2005, 10:56 PM

I was more referring to rushing/receiving. Should've been a bit more specific.

Faroo6 · 12-12-2005, 11:59 PM

Everyone is getting ahead of themselves with the Bush to the Texans. The Niners will somehow blow the game against the Texans. They will make David Carr look like an elite QB. The Niners will reunite Bush and Alex Smith. How would you have liked to play that high school team?

Jestor · 12-13-2005, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Faroo6

Everyone is getting ahead of themselves with the Bush to the Texans. The Niners will somehow blow the game against the Texans. They will make David Carr look like an elite QB. The Niners will reunite Bush and Alex Smith. How would you have liked to play that high school team?

To be fair to Carr he isn't a bad QB. He just has what's arguably the worst OL in the league.

XxCardinal42xX · 12-13-2005, 12:54 AM

Carr is a solid quarterback whom I like to say has never gotten the opportunity to maximize his talents. I think he was averaging being sacked 7 times a game through the first 5 games or something like that. Just take all that + hits and hurries, geez, I feel bad.

I do think they need a new system though.

I would HOPE they plan on using their position to trade down, because there are supposed to be some solid OL in this years draft(http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/). That's about all I'd draft if I were Houston.

XxCardinal42xX · 12-13-2005, 12:58 AM

Better yet...

http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/top100.htm

DiMaggio5CF · 12-13-2005, 01:27 AM

I don't know if they intentionally blew the game or not, but IMO it is worth it.

The money from the season tickets has largely been collected already. People will still jam the arena for their last chances to see the '05 team.

There's really no downside to losing.

Getting that top draft pick will make the team better next season and further into the future, and it will create some more hype during the pre-season to sell some extra season tickets if needed.

boilermaker · 12-13-2005, 03:09 AM

Dan Reeves just got hired for a suit and tie job in Houston....

The Great Demo · 12-13-2005, 03:17 AM

it would be worth it for the next peyton manning, but not for reggie bush. the guy obviously has some talent, but it doesn't matter if they don't have an o-line setting up runs for him.

12-12-2005, 10:15 PM	#3
Jonzard Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,647	Did they intentionally lose? Nope. Many players and the coach won't be there next year anyway so what do they care? On if it was worth it? Its all speculative because you never know how a running back will do. There have been plenty of busts like that in the NFL draft. __________________ For a scientist must indeed be freely imaginative and yet skeptical, creative and yet a critic. There is a sense in which he must be free, but another in which his thought must be very precisely regimented; there is poetry in science, but also a lot of bookkeeping. — Sir Peter B. Medawar FTB

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jazzrack Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: still kicking Posts: 3,229	they just stink, there is no reason to try an tank it. __________________ . "Never confuse composure for ease" Was once Head Cheese of Corporate League Baseball

12-12-2005, 10:34 PM	#6
abailey3313 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,718	I would assume Dom Capers is trying to look good for future coaching jobs. And it'd be tough to find a kicker willing to miss a kick as easily as they come and go in the NFL. So nah, I doubt they tanked. And yes, Reggie is worth tanking for. Why? Because the difference between the first and second pick in the draft is huge for a team like the Texans, who probably don't have Leinart as their Plan B. __________________

12-12-2005, 10:50 PM	#10
KILLERBS24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 938	Ferguson would help the OL greatly, however Reggie Bush is a better back right now than Dominic Davis. Davis is an average NFL running back, Bush is a HOF talent, its an easy choice. Davis might not even be the best RB on the team, if given carries Vernand Morency would be every bit of Dominic Davis. With only a couple exceptions every GM in the league would give up their current RB if they could get Bush. I've read NFL GM's saying most any team would take Bush and reconfigure the team around him cuz he's that good. Houston is hardly in a position to pass him up because of Dominic Davis. __________________ Asterisked legacy: Barry Bonds, the greatest steroid user ever

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KILLERBS24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 938	Bush actually has a fumble but it was on a kick return against Fresno. However he then went on to single handedly win the game. __________________ Asterisked legacy: Barry Bonds, the greatest steroid user ever

12-12-2005, 09:20 PM	#1
molarmite Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,927	Did the Texans blow their game and is it worth it? For those of who you haven't seen the footage yet, the Texans are down by three with little time left if the 4th. They bring out their kicker and he completely shanks it 20 yards left and a couple yards short. Did he do it on purpose? And is Reggie Bush worth tanking for? __________________ From the wise mind of Davey Eckstein "Now all you need is a signature. A quote or initial, perhaps." [

12-12-2005, 10:32 PM	#5
JDOldSchool Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,023	I think they're stupid if they draft Bush with the #1 pick. I hope that if they're trying hard to get that pick they're going to trade it and actually get some non-skill position players that don't suck. Carr, Davis, and Johnson are 3 solid pieces to the puzzle. They'd be better off with D'Brickashaw Ferguson than Reggie.

12-12-2005, 10:56 PM	#13
abailey3313 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,718	I was more referring to rushing/receiving. Should've been a bit more specific. __________________

12-13-2005, 12:54 AM	#16
XxCardinal42xX Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 76	Carr is a solid quarterback whom I like to say has never gotten the opportunity to maximize his talents. I think he was averaging being sacked 7 times a game through the first 5 games or something like that. Just take all that + hits and hurries, geez, I feel bad. I do think they need a new system though. I would HOPE they plan on using their position to trade down, because there are supposed to be some solid OL in this years draft(http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/). That's about all I'd draft if I were Houston. Last edited by XxCardinal42xX; 12-13-2005 at 12:56 AM.

12-13-2005, 12:58 AM	#17
XxCardinal42xX Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 76	Better yet... http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/top100.htm

12-13-2005, 01:27 AM	#18
DiMaggio5CF All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 921	I don't know if they intentionally blew the game or not, but IMO it is worth it. The money from the season tickets has largely been collected already. People will still jam the arena for their last chances to see the '05 team. There's really no downside to losing. Getting that top draft pick will make the team better next season and further into the future, and it will create some more hype during the pre-season to sell some extra season tickets if needed.

12-13-2005, 03:09 AM	#19
boilermaker All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,956	Dan Reeves just got hired for a suit and tie job in Houston....

12-13-2005, 03:17 AM	#20
The Great Demo Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moz Angeles, Republic of Hollywood Posts: 378	it would be worth it for the next peyton manning, but not for reggie bush. the guy obviously has some talent, but it doesn't matter if they don't have an o-line setting up runs for him. __________________ Future Forties League NL President and owner of Los Angeles Dodgers: 31-31, defending NL West champs Owner of: BBSC's Current League Los Angeles Dodgers: 100-62, 2010 Wild Card BBSC's Reagan League Los Angeles Dodgers: 51-36, We took Bulldog's old team and made it better! Alma Mater League's USC Trojans: 32-28 BBSC's Victory League's SouthCentral Saints of San Fernando Valley: 10-19 in our expansion year.