Worse Player EVER?

SandMan · 11-26-2005, 10:40 AM

Was going through CATOBASE for a league I started simming and think I may have found the worse player ever over 5000 AB. Do you agree? Can you top this?????

This guy has under .200 ba for his career!!! I'd shoot the GM's that gave this guy a chance.... noticed hime because he was number 2 on teh all time stolen base leaderboards...

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Year 	Age 	Tm 	Lg 	G 	AB 	R 	H 	2B 	3B 	HR 	RBI 	SB 	CS 	BB 	SO 	AVG 	OBP 	SLG 	OPS 	XR 	OWS
1953 	18 	DET 	AA 	18 	15 	8 	2 	0 	1 	0 	1 	3 	1 	3 	6 	.133 	.278 	.267 	.544 	1.6 	0.0
1954 	19 	DET 	AA 	53 	77 	13 	12 	4 	1 	0 	1 	12 	3 	3 	16 	.156 	.235 	.234 	.469 	4.7 	0.0
1955 	20 	DET 	AA 	140 	509 	64 	113 	17 	5 	5 	33 	40 	11 	54 	114 	.222 	.308 	.305 	.612 	54.9 	6.2
1956 	21 	DET 	AA 	125 	415 	53 	102 	17 	3 	4 	33 	22 	8 	44 	88 	.246 	.322 	.330 	.652 	46.3 	4.7
1957 	22 	DET 	AA 	124 	456 	56 	116 	20 	3 	3 	23 	35 	18 	63 	100 	.254 	.363 	.331 	.694 	59.9 	8.5
1958 	23 	DET 	AA 	145 	528 	79 	105 	16 	3 	6 	40 	51 	10 	77 	146 	.199 	.309 	.275 	.584 	57.9 	6.3
1959 	24 	DET 	AA 	146 	511 	93 	119 	21 	2 	10 	39 	48 	8 	87 	125 	.233 	.356 	.341 	.696 	77.2 	12.3
1960 	25 	DET 	AA 	116 	294 	55 	53 	13 	0 	3 	22 	28 	8 	39 	88 	.180 	.289 	.255 	.544 	26.2 	1.0
1961  	26	BKN	NA  	119 	293 	54 	67 	18 	0 	10 	22 	41 	11 	70 	77 	.229 	.389 	.392 	.782 	54.2 	10.9
1962 	27 	BKN 	NA 	147 	545 	82 	104 	24 	4 	18 	43 	37 	16 	81 	142 	.191 	.300 	.349 	.649 	64.6 	9.5
1963 	28 	NYN 	NA 	115 	327 	33 	63 	17 	2 	8 	38 	16 	9 	53 	85 	.193 	.306 	.330 	.636 	38.5 	4.6
1964 	29 	NYN 	NA 	144 	483 	62 	86 	21 	1 	23 	46 	42 	5 	80 	147 	.178 	.304 	.369 	.673 	68.1 	11.6
1965 	30 	NYN 	NA 	147 	496 	83 	88 	20 	3 	23 	54 	35 	9 	108 	144 	.177 	.335 	.369 	.704 	75.6 	11.4
1966 	31 	PHA 	AA 	102 	111 	20 	15 	4 	1 	4 	7 	10 	2 	31 	27 	.135 	.329 	.297 	.626 	14.8 	1.6
1967 	32 	PHA 	AA 	86 	203 	37 	29 	7 	0 	5 	11 	14 	6 	24 	62 	.143 	.246 	.251 	.497 	15.1 	0.0
1968 	33 	PHA 	AA 	126 	324 	54 	53 	14 	3 	8 	33 	33 	8 	68 	93 	.164 	.310 	.299 	.609 	40.1 	4.8
1969 	34 	PHA 	AA 	78 	82 	27 	14 	2 	1 	6 	9 	12 	1 	17 	26 	.171 	.327 	.439 	.766 	16.0 	3.2
1970 	35 	PHA 	AA 	82 	158 	34 	21 	5 	0 	2 	7 	12 	2 	43 	53 	.133 	.338 	.203 	.541 	18.2 	1.8
18 Years Sim 			2013 	5827 	907 	1162 	240 	33 	138 	462 	491 	136 	945 	1539 	.199 	.321 	.323 	.644 	733.8

Looks like he was a defensive replacement for most of his career. This guy is still active so he may get his BA back to .200. But his contact is 16!

f.montoya · 11-26-2005, 11:02 AM

He's like the Bob Ueckers and Mario Mendoza's of real life, but with a helluva lot more AB.

Comedian2004 · 11-26-2005, 11:30 AM

I thought I could beat that, but my guy had 5,223 atbats while hitting .210. He only had 7 SB and 146 homeruns in 1774 games. He never won a gold glove, never even won a player of the week award, but somehow he did play on two WS teams.

He did hit .282 in 47 games in post season with 6 homeruns.

f.montoya · 11-26-2005, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Comedian2004

He did hit .282 in 47 games in post season with 6 homeruns.

Sounds clutch!

SandMan · 11-26-2005, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Comedian2004

I thought I could beat that, but my guy had 5,223 atbats while hitting .210. He only had 7 SB and 146 homeruns in 1774 games. He never won a gold glove, never even won a player of the week award, but somehow he did play on two WS teams.

He did hit .282 in 47 games in post season with 6 homeruns.

0-GG, 0-POW, 0-WS Teams.... Your guy hit for more power so may be a bit better with his .210 average. What were his OBP and SLG?

I was wondering, how does a player get 1162 hits and 945 walks????

canadiancreed · 11-26-2005, 03:03 PM

cripes and he had a starting job during this whole time? Who was he playing for?

scotto313 · 11-26-2005, 03:13 PM

At least he knew how to work a walk.

Skywalker76 · 11-26-2005, 03:15 PM

How much money did he get?

Powerguy · 11-26-2005, 03:26 PM

If you choose to fill out the minor leagues with fictional players, you can instantly have about 40 more candidates for your "Worst Player Ever" award.

SandMan · 11-26-2005, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Powerguy

If you choose to fill out the minor leagues with fictional players, you can instantly have about 40 more candidates for your "Worst Player Ever" award.

This guy was strictly from the initial draft.....the teams he played for never made the playoffs, and his last contract is for 648,000 for 4 years. His history file shows 1,135,000 in arbitration, signed free agent in 1961 for 1.7M and 5 yrs. Signed a minor league contract in 1966, and then 4 years for the 648K.

This proves the AI is dumb, 1.7M for 5 years.....but I guess at that time his BA was a robust .220 and he was entering his prime age (26).....

His ratings going into 1971- 16/64/74

I wish I had this player and kept him in my minors. These kind of guys usually hit about 700 homers in the minors... I had one guy 24/56/56, who typically hit 50 homers a year in A, AA...... Dumb ass retired at age 31 for me after he had 410 minor league homers in A and AA...... I was going to keep him until he was 40 just to see how many he could hit..... The AI mercifully had him retire after 13 years in A/AA....

Arakiss19 · 11-26-2005, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Skywalker76

How much money did he get?

The answer to this would be very interesting

SandMan · 11-26-2005, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Arakiss19

The answer to this would be very interesting

PSST!! read post above yours.......

Comedian2004 · 11-26-2005, 06:07 PM

Cody "Country" Baehr was the #1 draft pick by Kansas City in 1972. He was the 7th pick overall for the season. 3 months later he was traded to Minnesota.

On October 30, 1972, here is what his ratings looked like:

Ratings: CON=55 GAP=39 POW=29 EYE=44 K'S=59 | Talent: CON=81 GAP=49 POW=61 EYE=74 K'S=74

In 1972 he hit .248 in AA ball. In 1973, after hitting .354 in AAA ball, he got the call up and hit .341 in 30 games. Over his 16 year career he played SS and 2B. His clutch rating was indeed GREAT and in 1972 he was a 5 star player. This dropped to 4 star in 73 and 74, then back up to a 5 star in 1975. He then dropped to a 1.0 star rating in 1976.

After hitting .341 his first season, he never was above the .253 he had in his 2nd season. He won the Medoza Award in 1981 (.200), 1985 (.162) and 1986 (.169).

Career earnings of $24,920,000, with his proudest moment was when he signed a 5 year deal in 1981 for 3.6 million per year with Punta Gorda. He did make the leaderboard 3 times, 1979, 1981 and 1982 with walks. 112, 103 and 121 walks.

With 1099 lifetime hits, he had 980 lifetime walks. 7 times in his career he had more walks than he did hits for the season. Lifetime .210 average, .340 OBP and .342 SLG.

From 1977 to 1985 his EYE rating was 100.

His contact rating was not that bad, but he just could not hit. The summary is the computer managers look at the ratings and do not care what the guy is actually doing in the game.

SandMan · 11-26-2005, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Comedian2004

Cody "Country" Baehr was the #1 draft pick by Kansas City in 1972. He was the 7th pick overall for the season. 3 months later he was traded to Minnesota.

On October 30, 1972, here is what his ratings looked like:

Ratings: CON=55 GAP=39 POW=29 EYE=44 K'S=59 | Talent: CON=81 GAP=49 POW=61 EYE=74 K'S=74

In 1972 he hit .248 in AA ball. In 1973, after hitting .354 in AAA ball, he got the call up and hit .341 in 30 games. Over his 16 year career he played SS and 2B. His clutch rating was indeed GREAT and in 1972 he was a 5 star player. This dropped to 4 star in 73 and 74, then back up to a 5 star in 1975. He then dropped to a 1.0 star rating in 1976.

After hitting .341 his first season, he never was above the .253 he had in his 2nd season. He won the Medoza Award in 1981 (.200), 1985 (.162) and 1986 (.169).

Career earnings of $24,920,000, with his proudest moment was when he signed a 5 year deal in 1981 for 3.6 million per year with Punta Gorda. He did make the leaderboard 3 times, 1979, 1981 and 1982 with walks. 112, 103 and 121 walks.

With 1099 lifetime hits, he had 980 lifetime walks. 7 times in his career he had more walks than he did hits for the season. Lifetime .210 average, .340 OBP and .342 SLG.

From 1977 to 1985 his EYE rating was 100.

His contact rating was not that bad, but he just could not hit. The summary is the computer managers look at the ratings and do not care what the guy is actually doing in the game.

Amazing stuff..... never really looked at the terrible players in my catobase. Now I will be looking for stuff like this. There are a lot of great players in the game, but now I think it is more fun watching the DUDS!!!! Interesting! Your player did not suck as bad as mine, but he sure was well below what should have been. At least my guy played up to his potential, just that he never really had the talent.......

I have always thought the AI was too interested in the ratings and did not drop players quickly enough. IRL, players that do not make seem to fade out and never come back. In the game they take longer to get to that point and then just seem to hang on forever. IRL a lot of ball players leave the minors at ages 25-30 who realize they are not going to make it. In the game these guys seem to hang on and many do have ML experience after age 30. It is funny on how many 30 year old and over "rookies" come up....

dsvitak · 11-26-2005, 07:12 PM

.321 lifetime OBP....the Mets and Cubs could have used someone that good.

Good speed, and probably pretty good defense.

Another player helped by his peripheral stats.

SandMan · 11-26-2005, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

.321 lifetime OBP....the Mets and Cubs could have used someone that good.

Good speed, and probably pretty good defense.

Another player helped by his peripheral stats.

Yeah, great speed.... good stolen base ratio.... good home run production. walks a lot and looking at his DWS he averaged 4.1 WS per season averaged to 162 game. so he was decent. His OPS was not terrible. I still think that batting average should account for something, though because you can't steal 1st base.....

I still think the guy was not a good player, I would not of had him on any of my rosters but he could have been a good defensive replacement. The guy reminds me more of a clone of Rob Deer/Omar Moreno wrapped into one players.........

Comedian2004 · 11-26-2005, 09:29 PM

I have a guy that stole 3 bases in 29 attempts, so I looked further into it...

His Running speed is 71. (Ok, he can run from 2nd to 3rd pretty well)
His Stealing Ability is 8. (OK, that explains him getting caught a lot)
His Baserunning Instrincts is 1. (ONE!! OK, that explains everyone running out of the dugout pointing to 1B when he hits the ball!!!)

http://www.sim2005.com/1970/p532.html

11-26-2005, 11:02 AM	#2
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11-26-2005, 11:30 AM	#3
Comedian2004 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: In a house in Saint Cloud, Florida. Posts: 7,085	I thought I could beat that, but my guy had 5,223 atbats while hitting .210. He only had 7 SB and 146 homeruns in 1774 games. He never won a gold glove, never even won a player of the week award, but somehow he did play on two WS teams. He did hit .282 in 47 games in post season with 6 homeruns. __________________ Like BLUES? Visit www.smokestacklightnin.com, you will LOVE it! New show every Monday!! New Blues HOF![/COLOR][/FONT]

11-26-2005, 06:07 PM	#13
Comedian2004 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: In a house in Saint Cloud, Florida. Posts: 7,085	Cody "Country" Baehr was the #1 draft pick by Kansas City in 1972. He was the 7th pick overall for the season. 3 months later he was traded to Minnesota. On October 30, 1972, here is what his ratings looked like: Ratings: CON=55 GAP=39 POW=29 EYE=44 K'S=59 \| Talent: CON=81 GAP=49 POW=61 EYE=74 K'S=74 In 1972 he hit .248 in AA ball. In 1973, after hitting .354 in AAA ball, he got the call up and hit .341 in 30 games. Over his 16 year career he played SS and 2B. His clutch rating was indeed GREAT and in 1972 he was a 5 star player. This dropped to 4 star in 73 and 74, then back up to a 5 star in 1975. He then dropped to a 1.0 star rating in 1976. After hitting .341 his first season, he never was above the .253 he had in his 2nd season. He won the Medoza Award in 1981 (.200), 1985 (.162) and 1986 (.169). Career earnings of $24,920,000, with his proudest moment was when he signed a 5 year deal in 1981 for 3.6 million per year with Punta Gorda. He did make the leaderboard 3 times, 1979, 1981 and 1982 with walks. 112, 103 and 121 walks. With 1099 lifetime hits, he had 980 lifetime walks. 7 times in his career he had more walks than he did hits for the season. Lifetime .210 average, .340 OBP and .342 SLG. From 1977 to 1985 his EYE rating was 100. His contact rating was not that bad, but he just could not hit. The summary is the computer managers look at the ratings and do not care what the guy is actually doing in the game. __________________ Like BLUES? Visit www.smokestacklightnin.com, you will LOVE it! New show every Monday!! New Blues HOF![/COLOR][/FONT]

11-26-2005, 09:29 PM	#17
Comedian2004 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: In a house in Saint Cloud, Florida. Posts: 7,085	I have a guy that stole 3 bases in 29 attempts, so I looked further into it... His Running speed is 71. (Ok, he can run from 2nd to 3rd pretty well) His Stealing Ability is 8. (OK, that explains him getting caught a lot) His Baserunning Instrincts is 1. (ONE!! OK, that explains everyone running out of the dugout pointing to 1B when he hits the ball!!!) http://www.sim2005.com/1970/p532.html __________________ Like BLUES? Visit www.smokestacklightnin.com, you will LOVE it! New show every Monday!! New Blues HOF![/COLOR][/FONT]

11-26-2005, 03:03 PM	#6
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	cripes and he had a starting job during this whole time? Who was he playing for?

11-26-2005, 03:13 PM	#7
scotto313 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,220	At least he knew how to work a walk.

11-26-2005, 03:15 PM	#8
Skywalker76 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Miami Posts: 833	How much money did he get?

11-26-2005, 07:12 PM	#15
dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,342	.321 lifetime OBP....the Mets and Cubs could have used someone that good. Good speed, and probably pretty good defense. Another player helped by his peripheral stats.