CatoBase Replacement & Potential Naming

eriqjaffe · 10-24-2005, 05:45 PM

As you may have noticed, there is a thread in the main forum regarding a potential replacement for CatoBase, with the OOTP:BM version being the "target" version, but also supporting "legacy" version(s) of OOTP.

I had volunteered to register the project over at SourceForge.net under the GPL license, so that the source would be open for everybody, and it could be centralized. Larry made a good point about opening up (to a degree) his Anderson Utilities, as well.

With that in mind...here's a poll!

Cowboys3356 · 10-24-2005, 08:35 PM

I voted Catobase2006 because it honors the original program that really makes OOTP worth playing plus the name Catobase is known throughout the OOTP world so people will immediately understand what the program does.

Y0DA55 · 10-24-2005, 11:17 PM

I voted Catobase... but I could just as easily went with "Heck with that, Let's work with Larry"

SandMan · 10-25-2005, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Y0DA55

I voted Catobase... but I could just as easily went with "Heck with that, Let's work with Larry"

I voted for catobase2006.... I would not vote for the anderson utilities for one reason - if he went the route of Jeff Cato and Joe Simpson then we would be SOL, AGAIN! He will release bits...not good enough... nothing he is doing is rocket science and can be duplicated and put into a public project where others could improve, modify or redistribute it in a completely different manner.... I will pass on this and just wait for the new version and access the data myself..... If he released just hooks into his program the problem would be who would support the add ins when something goes wrong. The second programmer only has a hook not the source.... not a good idea.

I understand fully Larry's view on his source code, he did put a lot of hours into his project. But then so did Jeff Cato and he skipped. Not saying Larry will, just saying it could happen.... Now if Anderson Utilities was a program that he was selling then I could see not releasing anything, other wise open it up and let anyone and everyone improve on a good idea......

I would love to see the project go well as open source. Then others can improve for their own use or add to the project - great idea.....

Just my opinion.

SandMan · 10-25-2005, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

As you may have noticed, there is a thread in the main forum regarding a potential replacement for CatoBase, with the OOTP:BM version being the "target" version, but also supporting "legacy" version(s) of OOTP.

I had volunteered to register the project over at SourceForge.net under the GPL license, so that the source would be open for everybody, and it could be centralized. Larry made a good point about opening up (to a degree) his Anderson Utilities, as well.

With that in mind...here's a poll!

Catobase is not the same as Anderson Utils. We need to keep this to just one simple program, the CATOBASE output like it is now. Adding all the extras will make this one mega mess with it showing too much info. I would rather see two or three programs or more than to have one program that tries to fit it all. Also with the catobase data being in a database the end user can use it as he sees fit. Just my opinion. The two programs are two completely different type of modules and should stay that way.....

marky32082 · 10-25-2005, 04:04 PM

I have no problem with naming it Catobase 2006. My only concern is if Jeff Cato will mind a new program built to sound like his original. I mean it has his name in the program...Any thoughts?

Cowboys3356 · 10-25-2005, 10:06 PM

Jeff Cato turned his back on the OOTP long ago. Time to take his work to the next level with or without him. Sorry to sound cold but its just business.

marky32082 · 10-26-2005, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cowboys3356

Jeff Cato turned his back on the OOTP long ago. Time to take his work to the next level with or without him. Sorry to sound cold but its just business.

While I do agree with you, it's got the guy's name in it...I don't know, maybe I'm alone on this but if I were him I'd be a bit angry if some guys I've never met were using my name in a program I have no control over.

eriqjaffe · 10-26-2005, 10:34 AM

Jeff is welcome to drop by and complain about it at any time. If he contacts somebody and says, "please don't use my name", no problem...and that stands even after the project starts. Heck, the name CatoBase wasn't even adopted by Jeff until v6, and that was on the suggestion of somebody here in the first place.

I mean, Jeff hasn't even posted here since, what, last June?

Cooleyvol · 10-26-2005, 11:18 AM

Name is Katobase2006

ifspuds · 10-26-2005, 11:42 AM

I think we're missing another point: Cato the Elder was a Roman historian (IIRC). I always found it very ironic that a history app was written by someone named Cato. So there's that legacy as well.

marky32082 · 10-26-2005, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ifspuds

I think we're missing another point: Cato the Elder was a Roman historian (IIRC). I always found it very ironic that a history app was written by someone named Cato. So there's that legacy as well.

Well I'm convinced then. Looking at the poll I'd say we have to name it Catobase2006, at least as a working title for now.

eriqjaffe-please get us going on sourceforge

I'll open up a new thread and get this baby moving.

canadiancreed · 10-26-2005, 12:21 PM

also makes sense for just the linkage of the name itself as everyone knows it by that

gmo · 10-26-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

Heck, the name CatoBase wasn't even adopted by Jeff until v6, and that was on the suggestion of somebody here in the first place.

Yes, so I do not think any name needs to lock in the "Cato" aspect. People can adjust to a name change. Frankly I think it would be a better idea not to use his name. It could be considered an honor, and he probably did not register the name or anything (right?), but personally I just feel it should break from using his name presumably without his knowledge. True he may be lurking and know about this and not be vetoing it, yet I think it more likely he does not know and saying that if he does not nix it that it is fine does not seem right to me.

I think "OOTPBase" is good because it includes the "Base" part for those wanting continuity in the naming. Maybe something like ReferenceBase or OOTP ReferenceBase could pull in the Baseball Reference aspect.

cephasjames · 10-26-2005, 02:22 PM

I voted OOTPBase for the same reason as gmo and marky. CatoBase has Jeff's name in it. Even though he's not here to complain, let's not give him a reason to.

View Poll Results: What should the CatoBase replacement be called?
TomatoBase	5	11.90%
CatoBase2006	19	45.24%
OOTPBase2006	12	28.57%
WithoutATraceBase2006	1	2.38%
Other	1	2.38%
Heck with that, let's work with Larry!	4	9.52%
Voters: 42. You may not vote on this poll

10-24-2005, 05:45 PM	#1
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,731	CatoBase Replacement & Potential Naming As you may have noticed, there is a thread in the main forum regarding a potential replacement for CatoBase, with the OOTP:BM version being the "target" version, but also supporting "legacy" version(s) of OOTP. I had volunteered to register the project over at SourceForge.net under the GPL license, so that the source would be open for everybody, and it could be centralized. Larry made a good point about opening up (to a degree) his Anderson Utilities, as well. With that in mind...here's a poll! __________________

10-24-2005, 11:17 PM	#3
Y0DA55 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: In the middle of the Yankees/Red Sox Rivalry Posts: 1,771	I voted Catobase... but I could just as easily went with "Heck with that, Let's work with Larry" __________________ Do, or do not, there is no try!

10-25-2005, 04:04 PM	#6
marky32082 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 283	I have no problem with naming it Catobase 2006. My only concern is if Jeff Cato will mind a new program built to sound like his original. I mean it has his name in the program...Any thoughts? __________________ These pretzels are making me thirsty!

10-26-2005, 10:34 AM	#9
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,731	Jeff is welcome to drop by and complain about it at any time. If he contacts somebody and says, "please don't use my name", no problem...and that stands even after the project starts. Heck, the name CatoBase wasn't even adopted by Jeff until v6, and that was on the suggestion of somebody here in the first place. I mean, Jeff hasn't even posted here since, what, last June? __________________

10-24-2005, 08:35 PM	#2
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,571	I voted Catobase2006 because it honors the original program that really makes OOTP worth playing plus the name Catobase is known throughout the OOTP world so people will immediately understand what the program does.

10-25-2005, 10:06 PM	#7
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,571	Jeff Cato turned his back on the OOTP long ago. Time to take his work to the next level with or without him. Sorry to sound cold but its just business.

10-26-2005, 11:18 AM	#10
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	Name is Katobase2006

10-26-2005, 11:42 AM	#11
ifspuds Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 2,117	I think we're missing another point: Cato the Elder was a Roman historian (IIRC). I always found it very ironic that a history app was written by someone named Cato. So there's that legacy as well. __________________ Jeff Watson Former dynasty writer and online league player, now mostly retired

10-26-2005, 12:21 PM	#13
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	also makes sense for just the linkage of the name itself as everyone knows it by that __________________ PT21 PT22

10-26-2005, 02:22 PM	#15
cephasjames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,736	I voted OOTPBase for the same reason as gmo and marky. CatoBase has Jeff's name in it. Even though he's not here to complain, let's not give him a reason to. __________________ 5000+ Generic Logos Free for the Taking FREE: Uniforms and logos for 500+ teams spanning 1871-present Great Lakes League: 10 Conferences, 100 Teams Pre-OOTP 23 Custom Cap & Jersey Template v3.0 by Deft and NoPepper (with layers from other various artists) that I use: Caps, Jerseys