Bulls trade Eddy Curry

Cubsgnrlmngr · 10-04-2005, 11:25 AM

It's on ESPN, Chicago Tribune, and a ton of other places...
Trade is...

C Eddy Curry
PF Antonio Davis

for

F Tim Thomas
PF Mike Sweetney
G Jermaine Jackson
Knicks 1st rounder
Two 2nd rounders
One 2nd rounder could potentially turn into a 1st if Eddy Curry plays well enough. (San Antonio's 1st)

Also some rumors have it that David Lee could be part of the deal, not sure.

As a Bulls fan, I love it...great trade for the bulls. This could become a bust, or a big time deal for the Knicks. It won't be finalized till tomorrow or later this afternoon.

Isiah may have given up too much young tallent (picks, Sweentey, possibly David Lee, etc...)

Go BULLS!

Skipaway · 10-04-2005, 11:28 AM

The question would be, how will the Knicks handle the issue of Curry's heart problems.

Skipaway · 10-04-2005, 11:33 AM

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Paxson has said he understands the privacy issues involved but insisted the Bulls do not have an ulterior motive; they simply do not want a situation similar to those of former Boston Celtics guard Reggie Lewis or Loyola Marymount star Hank Gathers -- players with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy who collapsed and died.

Paxson, speaking during the team's media day, told reporters the Bulls had offered Curry $400,000 annually for the next 50 years if he failed the genetic test.

"So he would have an above-average lifestyle that would put him in a position that most other people aren't in," Paxson said. "Our intention through that whole process was to show him that we did care about him and that we were concerned about his well-being."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2180298

What if the Knicks let Curry play without the DNA test to clear him, and Curry died?

eriqjaffe · 10-04-2005, 11:40 AM

Wait, the Bulls got Jermaine Jackson?!

Y0DA55 · 10-04-2005, 11:40 AM

As a very touch and go Knicks fan, I find myself liking them less and less in the Isiah Thomas era. Do they actually think they are going to contend this year?

Cubsgnrlmngr · 10-04-2005, 12:36 PM

Also the Knicks are going to release Antonio Davis and he will resign with the bulls.

Melo · 10-04-2005, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Y0DA55

As a very touch and go Knicks fan, I find myself liking them less and less in the Isiah Thomas era. Do they actually think they are going to contend this year?

Yeah. For some reason Isaiah thinks it's a good idea to trade away expiring contract's like Tim Thomas'. He just thinks that churning the roster is a good thing, I guess.

CommishJoe · 10-04-2005, 12:51 PM

Man, am I glad I am not a basketball fan. Well, at least they make Steinbrenner look like a genius

Y0DA55 · 10-04-2005, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Melo

Yeah. For some reason Isaiah thinks it's a good idea to trade away expiring contract's like Tim Thomas'. He just thinks that churning the roster is a good thing, I guess.

And trading away all our first round picks when we are in the lottery. WTF?

Melo · 10-04-2005, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Y0DA55

And trading away all our first round picks when we are in the lottery. WTF?

I know, rooting for the Knicks has become painful. Fortunately, I'm not as emotionally involved with them as I am with my other NY teams.

Cubsgnrlmngr · 10-04-2005, 01:02 PM

let's look at the Bulls now!

Chicago Bulls

C Position: Tyson Chandler/O-Harrington/Antonio Davis
PF Position: Michael Sweetney/Darius Songollia/Andres Noccioni
SF Position: Luol Deng/Tim Thomas/Andres Noccioni
SG Position: Ben Gordon/Eddie Basden/Eric Pike*
PG Position: Kirk Hinrich/Chris Duhon/Jannero Pargo

*=nickname

That's a team that's making the playoffs around the 5 slot.

Chandler: 12 ppg/12 rpg
Sweetney: 9 ppg/9 rpg
Deng: 13 ppg/6 rpg
Gordon: 18 ppg/3 apg
Hinrich: 16 ppg/7 apg
Thomas: 12 ppg/5 rpg
Songollia: 9 ppg/5 rpg
Noccioni: 7 ppg/7 rpg

That's not too much to ask for from the Bulls? They'll be able to score 92-95 ppg and with that defense they'll easily make the playoffs.

The draft picks will just add on to the sucess of the bulls.

you can tell I'm excited!

Melo · 10-04-2005, 01:05 PM

Sweetney's undersized and hasn't shown he can carry those numbers over an entire season. He's got the talent, for sure, but he's unproven.

QuestGAV · 10-04-2005, 01:10 PM

I think the Bulls immediate future is going to depend on Ben Gordon. If he proves to be a real and consistent scorer they can be in the upper echelon of the East. If he stays at the level he was at last year they're not going to get much further than that. They've got plenty of good parts, but no one else really has the potential to stand out and put the team on their shoulders.

andjbock · 10-04-2005, 01:21 PM

I don't think it is a bad deal for either side. But Chicago is getting the better part with the draft picks that were included.

Chicago is getting the better deal since they're getting less risk (Curry's health) and get a decent player in Sweetney who is signed for an affordable amount ($2MM+) through 07/08 (Qualifying offer).

Davis and Thomas make the same amount and are both in the last years of their deals and cancel each other out. I wonder how much the buyout of Davis' contract will cost? It can't be too much though. I don't see much point in bringing Davis back to the Bulls, but might as well if they want him. His resigning with the Bulls will most likely wind up being for an amount similar to what he is bought out for.

I can't comment on Jackson since I do not know him.

sebastian0622 · 10-04-2005, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

Wait, the Bulls got Jermaine Jackson?!

C'mon now, Let's Get Serious here eriq.

JDOldSchool · 10-04-2005, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by QuestGAV

no one else really has the potential to stand out and put the team on their shoulders.

Luol Deng does. Everyone says the Bulls would've won the Wizards series with Curry. I'm not so sure. But I am sure that they would've won with Luol Deng.

From a pure basketball standpoint this is a great trade for the Bulls. When you consider everything else involved, I have a feeling this will be the last trade Paxson makes with Isiah Thomas. David Stern just won't let a major market team get so completely ripped off year after year. The Crawford trade last year was great for the Bulls and it's not even close to as good as this one.

QuestGAV · 10-04-2005, 03:05 PM

Isiah seems like that guy in online leagues who constantly trades all his 5 star AAA prospects for 2.5 star guys who had a career year, signs them to big contracts, and then wonders why it never works out for him.

QuestGAV · 10-04-2005, 03:10 PM

Meh, I used to be a huge fan of Eric Williams right after the Celtics drafted him too. Nasty defender, decent touch. Not the kind of player that is going to be the leader on a team that contends for a title. Deng is better, but do you really see him as having the potential to be a top 15 player in the NBA?

JDOldSchool · 10-04-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by QuestGAV

Deng is better, but do you really see him as having the potential to be a top 15 player in the NBA?

I'm not sure. Maybe not. But I do think he can carry a team for a series or two. I'm not saying he would've made them NBA Champions, but he would've given them enough to beat the Wizards.

I do think if he can stay healthy he can be better than Gordon. He's not quite the shooter Gordon is, but he has other skills Ben just doesn't have right now.

QuestGAV · 10-04-2005, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

I'm not sure. Maybe not. But I do think he can carry a team for a series or two. I'm not saying he would've made them NBA Champions, but he would've given them enough to beat the Wizards.

I do think if he can stay healthy he can be better than Gordon. He's not quite the shooter Gordon is, but he has other skills Ben just doesn't have right now.

I guess I'm just having trouble envisioning a wing guy having that much of an impact without much ability to score, and I'm not sure Deng ever consistently gets past the 18 ppg mark or somewhere around there.

10-04-2005, 11:25 AM	#1
Cubsgnrlmngr Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 249	Bulls trade Eddy Curry It's on ESPN, Chicago Tribune, and a ton of other places... Trade is... C Eddy Curry PF Antonio Davis for F Tim Thomas PF Mike Sweetney G Jermaine Jackson Knicks 1st rounder Two 2nd rounders One 2nd rounder could potentially turn into a 1st if Eddy Curry plays well enough. (San Antonio's 1st) Also some rumors have it that David Lee could be part of the deal, not sure. As a Bulls fan, I love it...great trade for the bulls. This could become a bust, or a big time deal for the Knicks. It won't be finalized till tomorrow or later this afternoon. Isiah may have given up too much young tallent (picks, Sweentey, possibly David Lee, etc...) Go BULLS! __________________ Chicago Cubs NGBL If you don't know who Kirby Puckett was or of his face escapes you're memory at the moment. Check this short video out about one of the most clutch baseball players in the history of the MLB. R.I.P. Kirby Puckett

10-04-2005, 11:28 AM	#2
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	The question would be, how will the Knicks handle the issue of Curry's heart problems. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

10-04-2005, 11:40 AM	#4
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,776	Wait, the Bulls got Jermaine Jackson?! __________________

10-04-2005, 11:40 AM	#5
Y0DA55 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: In the middle of the Yankees/Red Sox Rivalry Posts: 1,771	As a very touch and go Knicks fan, I find myself liking them less and less in the Isiah Thomas era. Do they actually think they are going to contend this year? __________________ Do, or do not, there is no try!

10-04-2005, 12:36 PM	#6
Cubsgnrlmngr Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 249	Also the Knicks are going to release Antonio Davis and he will resign with the bulls. __________________ Chicago Cubs NGBL If you don't know who Kirby Puckett was or of his face escapes you're memory at the moment. Check this short video out about one of the most clutch baseball players in the history of the MLB. R.I.P. Kirby Puckett

10-04-2005, 12:51 PM	#8
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	Man, am I glad I am not a basketball fan. Well, at least they make Steinbrenner look like a genius __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

10-04-2005, 01:02 PM	#11
Cubsgnrlmngr Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 249	let's look at the Bulls now! Chicago Bulls C Position: Tyson Chandler/O-Harrington/Antonio Davis PF Position: Michael Sweetney/Darius Songollia/Andres Noccioni SF Position: Luol Deng/Tim Thomas/Andres Noccioni SG Position: Ben Gordon/Eddie Basden/Eric Pike* PG Position: Kirk Hinrich/Chris Duhon/Jannero Pargo *=nickname That's a team that's making the playoffs around the 5 slot. Chandler: 12 ppg/12 rpg Sweetney: 9 ppg/9 rpg Deng: 13 ppg/6 rpg Gordon: 18 ppg/3 apg Hinrich: 16 ppg/7 apg Thomas: 12 ppg/5 rpg Songollia: 9 ppg/5 rpg Noccioni: 7 ppg/7 rpg That's not too much to ask for from the Bulls? They'll be able to score 92-95 ppg and with that defense they'll easily make the playoffs. The draft picks will just add on to the sucess of the bulls. you can tell I'm excited! __________________ Chicago Cubs NGBL If you don't know who Kirby Puckett was or of his face escapes you're memory at the moment. Check this short video out about one of the most clutch baseball players in the history of the MLB. R.I.P. Kirby Puckett

10-04-2005, 01:05 PM	#12
Melo All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Where the baned reside Posts: 1,428	Sweetney's undersized and hasn't shown he can carry those numbers over an entire season. He's got the talent, for sure, but he's unproven.

10-04-2005, 01:10 PM	#13
QuestGAV Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,010	I think the Bulls immediate future is going to depend on Ben Gordon. If he proves to be a real and consistent scorer they can be in the upper echelon of the East. If he stays at the level he was at last year they're not going to get much further than that. They've got plenty of good parts, but no one else really has the potential to stand out and put the team on their shoulders.

10-04-2005, 01:21 PM	#14
andjbock Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Somerville, MA, USA Bats: Right Throws: Left Posts: 3,640	I don't think it is a bad deal for either side. But Chicago is getting the better part with the draft picks that were included. Chicago is getting the better deal since they're getting less risk (Curry's health) and get a decent player in Sweetney who is signed for an affordable amount ($2MM+) through 07/08 (Qualifying offer). Davis and Thomas make the same amount and are both in the last years of their deals and cancel each other out. I wonder how much the buyout of Davis' contract will cost? It can't be too much though. I don't see much point in bringing Davis back to the Bulls, but might as well if they want him. His resigning with the Bulls will most likely wind up being for an amount similar to what he is bought out for. I can't comment on Jackson since I do not know him.

10-04-2005, 03:05 PM	#17
QuestGAV Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,010	Isiah seems like that guy in online leagues who constantly trades all his 5 star AAA prospects for 2.5 star guys who had a career year, signs them to big contracts, and then wonders why it never works out for him.

10-04-2005, 03:10 PM	#18
QuestGAV Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,010	Meh, I used to be a huge fan of Eric Williams right after the Celtics drafted him too. Nasty defender, decent touch. Not the kind of player that is going to be the leader on a team that contends for a title. Deng is better, but do you really see him as having the potential to be a top 15 player in the NBA?