Too Many Complete Games?

[Hotwheelz]

I have noticed this since I started using OOTP 6.5 for my solo franchise and I thought I would ask you all for your advice. I have a pitcher, Gerard Jones, who has a 10 for endurance. Before installing 6.5 he was pitching a decent amount of innings but was not completing many games. But now he has 4 CG's in his last 8 starts, 2 other games with 8 IP and one where he left early due to injury. Now I know that he has a 10 for endurance and he should be throwing a decent amount of CG's, but 4 in his last 8? Is 6.5 increasing that number?

[akw4572]

You might want to put your concern here, I mentioned more starting pitcher stamina. Hopefully Markus will notice and check it out.

[GoCubsAndJays]

Originally Posted by Hotwheelz

I have noticed this since I started using OOTP 6.5 for my solo franchise and I thought I would ask you all for your advice. I have a pitcher, Gerard Jones, who has a 10 for endurance. Before installing 6.5 he was pitching a decent amount of innings but was not completing many games. But now he has 4 CG's in his last 8 starts, 2 other games with 8 IP and one where he left early due to injury. Now I know that he has a 10 for endurance and he should be throwing a decent amount of CG's, but 4 in his last 8? Is 6.5 increasing that number?

All depends, how many pitches is he throwing per start, and how well is he pitching?

If he's pitching very well and is being very efficient in his pitch count, I see no reason why I would consider this a bad thing.


Look at Roy Halladay in real life for the Jays this year. I believe he is averaging more than 7+ innings per start, meaning on average, he is getting into the 8th inning more times than not, and he already has 5 complete games in like 15 starts.

[Hotwheelz]

Originally Posted by GoCubsAndJays

All depends, how many pitches is he throwing per start, and how well is he pitching?

If he's pitching very well and is being very efficient in his pitch count, I see no reason why I would consider this a bad thing.


Look at Roy Halladay in real life for the Jays this year. I believe he is averaging more than 7+ innings per start, meaning on average, he is getting into the 8th inning more times than not, and he already has 5 complete games in like 15 starts.

I dont have the #'s in front of me but off the top of my head he is throwing 120-130 pitches in his complete games.

And he is pitching very effectively.

CG #1 - 3 H, 4 BB, 9 K, 0 ER (109 P)
CG #2 - 4 H, 3 BB, 8 K, 1 ER (131 P)
CG #3 - 6 H, 2 BB, 9 K, 2 ER (115 P)
CG #4 - 6 H, 1 BB, 11 K, 2 ER (110 P)

And since I forgot to add, I play out every game. Not sure if that makes much difference to be honest.


EDIT: So he is throwing less pitches than I thought. 131 being his highest and an average of 116.25 pitches per CG. Not too bad I guess.

[GoCubsAndJays]

So it's you leaving him in there for so long and not the AI? I don't know what kind of complaint you have then. You realise that you are controlling when he gets pulled right?

[Hotwheelz]

Originally Posted by GoCubsAndJays

So it's you leaving him in there for so long and not the AI? I don't know what kind of complaint you have then. You realise that you are controlling when he gets pulled right?

Yes, my point is he isnt getting tired. When he gets near these pitch counts and close to throwing a CG, I visit the mount and he is never tired.

I understand that I control how long he is in there.

[Gil Thorp]

Originally Posted by Hotwheelz

. When he gets near these pitch counts and close to throwing a CG, I visit the mount and he is never tired.

Do we know that we will get a truthful answer when we visit the mound?

[Hotwheelz]

Originally Posted by Gil Thorp

Do we know that we will get a truthful answer when we visit the mound?

I guess not.

I guess I will just keep going, racking up the CG's, while seeing no loss in performance after he hits 100 pitches and gets into the 9th.

[jbmagic]

does his endurance go back up a little when you visit the mound?

[Gil Thorp]

Originally Posted by Hotwheelz

I guess not.

I guess I will just keep going, racking up the CG's, while seeing no loss in performance after he hits 100 pitches and gets into the 9th.

You young guys. It wasn't all that long ago that pitchers were expected to--and regularly did--complete games.

[Malleus Dei]

Originally Posted by Gil Thorp

You young guys. It wasn't all that long ago that pitchers were expected to--and regularly did--complete games.

Indeed. This modern "the starter is only supposed to pitch six innings" crap seems really wimpy to me.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Gil Thorp

Do we know that we will get a truthful answer when we visit the mound?

Actually you can get the " I have a little more left" response even when he is actually tired. Go look at his player card and it will say tired.

Also Hotwheelz, have you looked at your era setting? In there for present day pitchers I believe fatigue should be set to fair. I ask because in my league I'm not seeing any substantial increase in stamina.

However I do think, only think mind you, that there was a small increase. I have guys that can hit a 115-120 pitches in consecutive starts where before if they hit that high number then the next start would be more like 105-110. I wonder if Markus put in a small increase to protect against injury from overuse since you weren't going to get the red indicator as soon as they became tired? I know I've had pitchers get injured when I tried to stretch them out to complete a shutout or get that 15th strikeout when they faced only one batter after turning red.