Retirements (6.03)

CaramonLS · 08-13-2004, 11:31 PM

Anyone else had this problem where the players retire without saying a word? Just come in at the beginning of the season and he is completely off your roster and now listed as a retired player? No email or anything.

Not to mention I have had 2 older players (36 and 37 years of age), ASK ME for contract extensions (rather long ones too) so I gave them both 4 years, and before they even start the next season they decide to retire on me... just find it strange (Both VERY good players 4.5 star SS Matt Bush and 5 star SP Kevin Correila).

Steve Kuffrey · 08-13-2004, 11:33 PM

Happens from time to time, not certain I'd classify it as a bug since I really don't need to get a email about EVERY player who retires but maybe that is just me.

GeoWar · 08-14-2004, 03:07 PM

I don't get an email about ALL retires But I don't expect to ---- I check transaction news after season -- review roster outlook --- if I had an unexpected retire I check free agents for player unless I had minor leaguer ready ....

It is part of the game ----- wish you had players demanding trade - holdouts - and other factors to increase difficulty of off-season preparation...

knightni · 09-01-2004, 01:06 PM

I had a player win 27 games with an ERA under 3.00 at 37 years old ask for a contract of 9 million for 2 years, receive it, then retire.

Weird.

Jeremy Weimer · 09-01-2004, 02:00 PM

It happens from time to time. Just means you gotta pay close attention to your team so you know what's going on. It would be kinda dull if you received emails about every single retirement or things like that because then you really wouldn't have to pay too much attention to your team. You could just rely on email to always keep you in the loop.

IatricSB · 09-01-2004, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by knightni

I had a player win 27 games with an ERA under 3.00 at 37 years old ask for a contract of 9 million for 2 years, receive it, then retire.

Weird.

He probably wants to tour with Lenny Kravitz

Jeremy Weimer · 09-01-2004, 06:40 PM

Why would anyone wanna do such a thing?

canadiancreed · 09-01-2004, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Weimer

Why would anyone wanna do such a thing?

He doesnt value his hearing?

Vezna31 · 09-10-2004, 11:44 AM

I went into the retired players listing once to view a few things, even inducted one person I thought should have made it. When I left, one of the retired players I had viewed was on my active roster and my star shortstop was gone...completely. I had not backed up recently and I wound up totally screwing up my league trying to restore and had to almost start over. Now, I back up every time before going to look at retired stats, as well as back up every night after playing or simming games.

LeiterFanatic · 09-10-2004, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Kuffrey

Happens from time to time, not certain I'd classify it as a bug since I really don't need to get a email about EVERY player who retires but maybe that is just me.

So I guess it isnt a bug unless the issue bothers you? If it causes the program to behave in a way it shouldn't, then its a bug. Maybe not a major one, to be sure, but a bug nonetheless

TotalEnd98 · 09-10-2004, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LeiterFanatic

So I guess it isnt a bug unless the issue bothers you? If it causes the program to behave in a way it shouldn't, then its a bug. Maybe not a major one, to be sure, but a bug nonetheless

Your logic is flawed, because this isn't a way the program shouldn't be behaving. It's always done this, and it's realistic. Not every player announces at the beginning of a season that he'll retire at the end. When I start a new season, I generally have more than one person retired that hadn't announced it last season. Happens all the time in real life.

IatricSB · 09-10-2004, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TotalEnd98

Your logic is flawed, because this isn't a way the program shouldn't be behaving. It's always done this, and it's realistic. Not every player announces at the beginning of a season that he'll retire at the end. When I start a new season, I generally have more than one person retired that hadn't announced it last season. Happens all the time in real life.

Sounds right to me. I don't see this as a problem since not everyone makes an announcement at the beginning of the year. It's a nice heads up for the ones that want a "farewell" tour, but most just slide quietly off into the sunset.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 09-11-2004, 02:45 AM

I agree that a mix of messages and no messages is appropriate, but I don't care all that much one way or the other.

LeiterFanatic · 09-13-2004, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Eckstein 4 Prez

I agree that a mix of messages and no messages is appropriate, but I don't care all that much one way or the other.

LOL this reminds me of the great "Does getting tossed out of a game serve any purpose" debate. People infer that a program is supposed to behave in a certain way because they base their reactions as if it were a human doing the action in question. Just because you think that not getting notification of retirement from "time to time" is like real life doesn't mean the program is working properly. Thats like playing SImCity3000 and having money vanish from your city's assets mysteriously and saying... "well thats like real life... embezzlement happens." If it is not a stated feature of the game then how can you assume the function is called for? (just like those who SWORE that getting tossed fired up their team). I guess unless there is a comprehensive FAQ or manual to address these questions, then its pure speculation. If it works for you, cool. But just because it is dont assume its not a bug.

Steve Kuffrey · 09-13-2004, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LeiterFanatic

LOL this reminds me of the great "Does getting tossed out of a game serve any purpose" debate. People infer that a program is supposed to behave in a certain way because they base their reactions as if it were a human doing the action in question. Just because you think that not getting notification of retirement from "time to time" is like real life doesn't mean the program is working properly. Thats like playing SImCity3000 and having money vanish from your city's assets mysteriously and saying... "well thats like real life... embezzlement happens." If it is not a stated feature of the game then how can you assume the function is called for? (just like those who SWORE that getting tossed fired up their team). I guess unless there is a comprehensive FAQ or manual to address these questions, then its pure speculation. If it works for you, cool. But just because it is dont assume its not a bug.

So am I to understand you to be saying that EACH AND EVERY PLAYER who retires should be "announcing" his plans to retire? If that's the case, IMO that would not be realistic. I'd say most if not all moderately good players should announce, the rest probably not though some may. BTW-I don't know if it is a "bug" or not.

rem · 09-13-2004, 12:16 PM

I'd say this isn't a bug.

LeiterFanatic · 09-13-2004, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Kuffrey

So am I to understand you to be saying that EACH AND EVERY PLAYER who retires should be "announcing" his plans to retire? If that's the case, IMO that would not be realistic. I'd say most if not all moderately good players should announce, the rest probably not though some may. BTW-I don't know if it is a "bug" or not.

No certainly not every player. But the tone of the original post made it seem like he was talking about a) veterans( impact players-types or guys with a lot of MLB service) and b) players who asked for contract extensions. These players MUST announce since they affect free agent singings and roster moves. Guys just flying off into the blue when you start the next year is not realistic (even Ricky Williams announced, albeit one week before camp).
Anything that adversely affects a Gms ability to do his job within the parameters of the program cannot be a "design feature". Players who ask for extensions then retire (while I am sure someone out there can find an example of this in real life ) is not normal also. Why is there a such a hesitation to call a bug a bug? This is an amazing piece of software and an immense job of compling and programming. But I refuse to say the Emperor has wonderful clothes when it appears it is the opposite.

alinkens · 09-13-2004, 02:10 PM

The only problem I have is when you sign a guy to an extension and he retires right away. But again, that is very realistic anyway. Jessie Orosco signed a deal with San Diego this year and right before spring training decided he was retireing.

So in summary although it may upset us from time to time when a guy just up and retires I dont think it is a bug.

I would actually like to see the addition of players retiring in the middle of a season. In the case that he is old and having a real bad year, just call it a day.

LeiterFanatic · 09-13-2004, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by alinkens

I would actually like to see the addition of players retiring in the middle of a season. In the case that he is old and having a real bad year, just call it a day.

I second this. Or even a guy change his mind about retiring if he is having a good year.

Anachronism · 09-13-2004, 03:58 PM

I don't think a player needs to send you an email about retirement in order to retire.

However, having a player retire without an email notification and without the retirement showing up in the news logs is a problem

08-13-2004, 11:31 PM	#1
CaramonLS Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 131	Retirements (6.03) Anyone else had this problem where the players retire without saying a word? Just come in at the beginning of the season and he is completely off your roster and now listed as a retired player? No email or anything. Not to mention I have had 2 older players (36 and 37 years of age), ASK ME for contract extensions (rather long ones too) so I gave them both 4 years, and before they even start the next season they decide to retire on me... just find it strange (Both VERY good players 4.5 star SS Matt Bush and 5 star SP Kevin Correila).

08-13-2004, 11:33 PM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,035	Happens from time to time, not certain I'd classify it as a bug since I really don't need to get a email about EVERY player who retires but maybe that is just me. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

08-14-2004, 03:07 PM	#3
GeoWar All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 850	I don't get an email about ALL retires But I don't expect to ---- I check transaction news after season -- review roster outlook --- if I had an unexpected retire I check free agents for player unless I had minor leaguer ready .... It is part of the game ----- wish you had players demanding trade - holdouts - and other factors to increase difficulty of off-season preparation... __________________ Cal. State Fullerton -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2004 Texas Longhorns -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2005 Oregon State Beavers -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2006 and 2007 With unity comes VICTORY !

09-11-2004, 02:45 AM	#13
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	I agree that a mix of messages and no messages is appropriate, but I don't care all that much one way or the other. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

09-13-2004, 12:16 PM	#16
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	I'd say this isn't a bug. __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

09-01-2004, 01:06 PM	#4
knightni Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 80	I had a player win 27 games with an ERA under 3.00 at 37 years old ask for a contract of 9 million for 2 years, receive it, then retire. Weird.

09-01-2004, 02:00 PM	#5
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,411	It happens from time to time. Just means you gotta pay close attention to your team so you know what's going on. It would be kinda dull if you received emails about every single retirement or things like that because then you really wouldn't have to pay too much attention to your team. You could just rely on email to always keep you in the loop.

09-01-2004, 06:40 PM	#7
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,411	Why would anyone wanna do such a thing?

09-10-2004, 11:44 AM	#9
Vezna31 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Wherever My VPN says Posts: 1,989	I went into the retired players listing once to view a few things, even inducted one person I thought should have made it. When I left, one of the retired players I had viewed was on my active roster and my star shortstop was gone...completely. I had not backed up recently and I wound up totally screwing up my league trying to restore and had to almost start over. Now, I back up every time before going to look at retired stats, as well as back up every night after playing or simming games.

09-13-2004, 02:10 PM	#18
alinkens All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: CT Posts: 1,072	The only problem I have is when you sign a guy to an extension and he retires right away. But again, that is very realistic anyway. Jessie Orosco signed a deal with San Diego this year and right before spring training decided he was retireing. So in summary although it may upset us from time to time when a guy just up and retires I dont think it is a bug. I would actually like to see the addition of players retiring in the middle of a season. In the case that he is old and having a real bad year, just call it a day. __________________ Owner of the Coast to Coast League's Regina Pride

09-13-2004, 03:58 PM	#20
Anachronism All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Great White North Posts: 945	I don't think a player needs to send you an email about retirement in order to retire. However, having a player retire without an email notification and without the retirement showing up in the news logs is a problem __________________ "Ruth did it on Beer and Hotdogs..."