The terrible strikezone

El Cid Part II · 06-02-2005, 10:55 AM

Since I am a Pale Hose fan, it was nice to see Big Hurt get an AB

It worries me, however, that the strikezone in that game was the size of a rubik's cube

I love Thomas and believe he is HOF even if he never played another game, but a ball was called middle of the plate above his stomach

I feel for pitchers, I really do, but I've seen the Vets like Rogers, Clemens and Maddux GET those calls

What is going on with the strikezone based on the pitcher?

by the way, Uribe hit a 1-2 count 400 feet foul by 5 feet, I don't like him, think we could much better, but I feel sorry for him today. 5 feet from becoming a hero for one day

mauboy · 06-02-2005, 11:01 AM

Hah. Once he hit that, I knew he was going to strikeout.
As for pitchers. I agree somewhat. THere are times when the strike 6 inches outside/inside is called a strike and that's pretty ridiculous. It's TOUGH to hit those outside pitches. Why should a nearly unhittable pitch be a strike?

jaxmagicman · 06-02-2005, 11:01 AM

I am often amazed at the small strikezone. Whatever happen to Knees to Shoulders? Now it is more like Thighs to Stomach. But the plate gets expanded with no problem. 3 inches outside, no problem Strike 3!

andymac · 06-02-2005, 11:05 AM

I have noticed some very inconsistent work behind the plate this year. Much more so than in recent years.

Luis_Rivera · 06-02-2005, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

I am often amazed at the small strikezone. Whatever happen to Knees to Shoulders?

It went with the raised mound after the '68 season.

Would you like to go back to the second deadball era of 62-68?

jaxmagicman · 06-02-2005, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

It went with the raised mound after the '68 season.

Would you like to go back to the second deadball era of 62-68?

Yes.

edrooney · 06-02-2005, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

Yes.

Me too. My main beef is with the inconsistency between pitchers and hitters. And the commentators seem OK with it. "Greg Maddux is always going to get that called third strike." or "Barry has great command of the strikezone. He doesn't usually get a called 3rd strike inside on him."

UngratefulDead · 06-02-2005, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by edrooney

"Barry has great command of the strikezone. He doesn't usually get a called 3rd strike inside on him."

This one is so true. At times I don't think you could even throw an actual ball inside without hitting his armor.

sebastian0622 · 06-02-2005, 03:48 PM

What bothers me the most are the inconsistencies between umpires. Pitchers and hitters have to use the first two innings just to find out what a guy is going to call. Maybe QUESTEC wouldn't have been all that bad? Or a variant thereof? Maybe umpires saying, "It takes away the human element of the game" is akin to them saying, "You mean I have to start calling the real strike zone? NOOOOOO!"

wbdzgn · 06-02-2005, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian0622

What bothers me the most are the inconsistencies between umpires. Pitchers and hitters have to use the first two innings just to find out what a guy is going to call. Maybe QUESTEC wouldn't have been all that bad? Or a variant thereof? Maybe umpires saying, "It takes away the human element of the game" is akin to them saying, "You mean I have to start calling the real strike zone? NOOOOOO!"

I also get the feeling umpires think that they get a reputation for calling a game differently, and they make sure they hold that reputation, even if it means calling obvious mistakes. They want to be known.

JDOldSchool · 06-02-2005, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

I am often amazed at the small strikezone. Whatever happen to Knees to Shoulders? Now it is more like Thighs to Stomach. But the plate gets expanded with no problem. 3 inches outside, no problem Strike 3!

When was it to the shoulders? That's not the strike zone according to the MLB rule book.

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The STRIKE ZONE is that area over home plate the upper limit of which is a horizontal line at the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants, and the lower level is a line at the hollow beneath the knee cap. The Strike Zone shall be determined from the batter's stance as the batter is prepared to swing at a pitched ball.

Skipaway · 06-02-2005, 06:33 PM

MLB is trying to fix it, but still lots of problems.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/a...ives&fext=.jsp

jaxmagicman · 06-02-2005, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

When was it to the shoulders? That's not the strike zone according to the MLB rule book.

OK, sorry: Top of Shoulder to the Hollow of the Kneecap.

IatricSB · 06-02-2005, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

It went with the raised mound after the '68 season.

Would you like to go back to the second deadball era of 62-68?

ROFL

Ktulu · 06-02-2005, 07:16 PM

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the upper limit of which is a horizontal line at the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants

I'd settle for them actually calling strikes at the belt. These days it seems like it's the bottom of the knees to the top of the thighs and 6 inches to either side of the plate.

JDOldSchool · 06-02-2005, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

OK, sorry: Top of Shoulder to the Hollow of the Kneecap.

Um... that's not what it says. Here it is again:

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the upper limit of which is a horizontal line at the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants

Midpoint would be the area which is generally where the uniform letters are, though this isn't exactly true for all teams.

UngratefulDead · 06-02-2005, 11:11 PM

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the upper limit of which is a horizontal line at the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants

So in theory if your pants ended at the armpits or something it would be impossible to get a called strike?

El Cid Part II · 06-02-2005, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by UngratefulDead

So in theory if your pants ended at the armpits or something it would be impossible to get a called strike?

My father would walk constantly

Skipaway · 06-02-2005, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by UngratefulDead

So in theory if your pants ended at the armpits or something it would be impossible to get a called strike?

No, the UPPER LIMIT is midpoint between pants and shoulders. Doing that would just raise the upper limit and make it easier to throw strikes.

lincarnate · 06-02-2005, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by UngratefulDead

So in theory if your pants ended at the armpits or something it would be impossible to get a called strike?

Well, that could be why Bonds has walked so much the past few seasons at his age...

06-02-2005, 10:55 AM	#1
El Cid Part II Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2005 Location: Reuniting the Spanish Cookie Elves Posts: 51	The terrible strikezone Since I am a Pale Hose fan, it was nice to see Big Hurt get an AB It worries me, however, that the strikezone in that game was the size of a rubik's cube I love Thomas and believe he is HOF even if he never played another game, but a ball was called middle of the plate above his stomach I feel for pitchers, I really do, but I've seen the Vets like Rogers, Clemens and Maddux GET those calls What is going on with the strikezone based on the pitcher? by the way, Uribe hit a 1-2 count 400 feet foul by 5 feet, I don't like him, think we could much better, but I feel sorry for him today. 5 feet from becoming a hero for one day __________________ George Bush- "Thank you, and Goats Blow America"

06-02-2005, 11:01 AM	#3
jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	I am often amazed at the small strikezone. Whatever happen to Knees to Shoulders? Now it is more like Thighs to Stomach. But the plate gets expanded with no problem. 3 inches outside, no problem Strike 3! __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

06-02-2005, 11:05 AM	#4
andymac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Effingham, IL Posts: 5,725	I have noticed some very inconsistent work behind the plate this year. Much more so than in recent years. __________________ June Madness: Links FTB: andymac

06-02-2005, 06:33 PM	#12
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	MLB is trying to fix it, but still lots of problems. http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/a...ives&fext=.jsp __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

06-02-2005, 11:01 AM	#2
mauboy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 2,906	Hah. Once he hit that, I knew he was going to strikeout. As for pitchers. I agree somewhat. THere are times when the strike 6 inches outside/inside is called a strike and that's pretty ridiculous. It's TOUGH to hit those outside pitches. Why should a nearly unhittable pitch be a strike?

06-02-2005, 03:48 PM	#9
sebastian0622 Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,465	What bothers me the most are the inconsistencies between umpires. Pitchers and hitters have to use the first two innings just to find out what a guy is going to call. Maybe QUESTEC wouldn't have been all that bad? Or a variant thereof? Maybe umpires saying, "It takes away the human element of the game" is akin to them saying, "You mean I have to start calling the real strike zone? NOOOOOO!"