when to call a player up to the majors??

Heelfan71 · 03-30-2002, 05:50 AM

I have 4 guys in AAA who are doing well. If I call a player up, then send him back down, does it hurt his development?

Catcher: Steve Lomasney, 23 years old
Avg=4
2b =3
3b =3
hr =3
bb =2
avoiding k's =6

Short Stop: Miguel Cabrera, 19 years old
Avg=3
2b =4
3b =6
hr =2
bb =2
avoiding k's =6

Second Base: Paul Ozuna, 23 years old
Avg=5
2b =3
3b =2
hr =2
bb =3
avoiding k's =3

Right Fielder, Abraham Nunez, 22 years old
Avg=4
2b =3
3b =4
hr =3
bb =2
avoiding k's =2

Are any of these guys worthy of being called up. All 4 have been up in the majors at one point this year with Nunez doing the best. Will these guys ratings improve faster in AAA?

[ March 30, 2002: Message edited by: Heelfan71 ]

Pitcher4u · 03-30-2002, 06:06 AM

.. ive had several players who werent doing all that bad... so i brought 2 of them up .. they started to dominate the league and after 1-2 weeks one of them had got injured and after that they both played horrible.

I sent them down and they never really did manage to get their stats back up.

So its a risk but if you dont bring them up and give them a chance then when will you??

Heelfan71 · 03-30-2002, 12:39 PM

That's the problem, I am not playing them too much. Just in pinch hit situations and every now and then to give my starters a rest.

Seton Hall Pirate · 03-30-2002, 04:15 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Heelfan71:
I have 4 guys in AAA who are doing well. If I call a player up, then send him back down, does it hurt his development?

Catcher: Steve Lomasney, 23 years old
Avg=4
2b =3
3b =3
hr =3
bb =2
avoiding k's =6

Short Stop: Miguel Cabrera, 19 years old
Avg=3
2b =4
3b =6
hr =2
bb =2
avoiding k's =6

Second Base: Paul Ozuna, 23 years old
Avg=5
2b =3
3b =2
hr =2
bb =3
avoiding k's =3

Right Fielder, Abraham Nunez, 22 years old
Avg=4
2b =3
3b =4
hr =3
bb =2
avoiding k's =2

Are any of these guys worthy of being called up. All 4 have been up in the majors at one point this year with Nunez doing the best. Will these guys ratings improve faster in AAA?

[ March 30, 2002: Message edited by: Heelfan71 ]<hr></blockquote>

I never call anybody young up unless they are the starter at the beginning of the season, because I don't want to burn a year on them just to replace a guy temporarily. I see no reason to call up a 21-year old hot prospect just to replace an injured player for 15 days if it means I lose a year before I have to really sink my dough into the guy.

SSG Troyer · 03-30-2002, 04:55 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Seton Hall Pirate:


...I see no reason to call up a 21-year old hot prospect...if it means I lose a year before I have to really sink my dough into the guy.<hr></blockquote>

Try this one little reason: if you don't, that hot prospect may well start to languish, and cease to be so hot.

Heelfan71 · 03-30-2002, 05:13 PM

the shortstop is only 19, but he is in AAA already. That's pretty good.

Modern Relic · 03-30-2002, 05:47 PM

[quote]Originally posted by SSG Troyer:


Try this one little reason: if you don't, that hot prospect may well start to languish, and cease to be so hot.<hr></blockquote>

Aint that the truth!

Rpmbucs · 03-30-2002, 06:57 PM

Still waiting for Modern Relic to post on the dreaded Charlie Bucket syndrome. My personal guess is that those oompa loompas were peddling more than candy

smeyers003 · 03-31-2002, 05:00 AM

In my season(im the mets about 70 games in) the computer has brought both Cabrera and Ozuna up. I hope that helps.

Heelfan71 · 03-31-2002, 06:25 AM

[quote]Originally posted by smeyers003:
In my season(im the mets about 70 games in) the computer has brought both Cabrera and Ozuna up. I hope that helps.<hr></blockquote>

yes, thanks. I'm bringing all of them up. I need a little depth.

Modern Relic · 03-31-2002, 08:02 AM

AS it turns out, that River wasn't chocolate at all. It was whiskey! Young Charlie crawled in and never crawled out!

Or so the story goes...

[ March 31, 2002: Message edited by: Modern Relic ]

GiantsRule · 04-01-2002, 06:22 AM

Try this for a classic example of moving a player up to early. Rick Ankiel. My rule is wait till the prospect is around 25. If the prospect is a robot and is better than most minor leaguers send him up, but beware of Rick Ankiel.

fluharty · 04-01-2002, 06:42 AM

I will often call a guy up and use him as a utility/platoon guy his first year. I've never seen it have any real adverse effect. I (almost) never call a player up unless he has at least a 4 in hits, though. I say almost never because I will give a player a september call up if he has a 3 and is hitting better than 300 at AAA and his other ratings are all at least 3 (other than HR, which does not enter into the equation at all).

[ April 01, 2002: Message edited by: fluharty ]

fluharty · 04-01-2002, 06:48 AM

Age should not enter into the equation at all, IMO. They player should should have a 5 in hits and a 4 in eye, at least. With a 4 in hits he may struggle, but if he has been at 4 for more than one year I would definatly give him some at bats and see if it goes up any further. If a guys is 25 and still in the minors, I begin to get very impatient with him. If he's still there at 26, he's pressing his luck. At 27, I will generally release the player if he's not ready to play in the majors.

vyacheslavkozlovfan · 04-01-2002, 06:53 AM

I think it partially depends on the skills of your current major leaguers. If they all bat 3's (probably not) then you have a starting infielder.

vyacheslavkozlovfan · 04-01-2002, 06:55 AM

Also, if a prospect is a no.1 draft pick, bringing him up prematurely may keep him from becoming the rookie of the year that he deserves. If he has brilliant average talent and you bring him up when his skills are at four, then he might not come to his full potential.

fluharty · 04-01-2002, 06:59 AM

good point vyacheslavkozlovfan, if a guys is good/brilliant in hits I will wait till he has at least a 5 in hits, and often a 6. I will do a september call up the season before I think he'll be ready for full time, but will make sure he gets < 50 AB.

-edit-
to the original poster...
none of those guys are ready- they do not have good enough BB/K ratings yet. for lomasney and cabrera, it depends on their BB talent. if they are fair/poor a 3 may be the best you can expect, in which case you may give lomasney a september look. keep it to less than 50 AB so he's still a rookie next year.

[ April 01, 2002: Message edited by: fluharty ]

03-30-2002, 05:50 AM	#1
Heelfan71 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 118	when to call a player up to the majors?? I have 4 guys in AAA who are doing well. If I call a player up, then send him back down, does it hurt his development? Catcher: Steve Lomasney, 23 years old Avg=4 2b =3 3b =3 hr =3 bb =2 avoiding k's =6 Short Stop: Miguel Cabrera, 19 years old Avg=3 2b =4 3b =6 hr =2 bb =2 avoiding k's =6 Second Base: Paul Ozuna, 23 years old Avg=5 2b =3 3b =2 hr =2 bb =3 avoiding k's =3 Right Fielder, Abraham Nunez, 22 years old Avg=4 2b =3 3b =4 hr =3 bb =2 avoiding k's =2 Are any of these guys worthy of being called up. All 4 have been up in the majors at one point this year with Nunez doing the best. Will these guys ratings improve faster in AAA? [ March 30, 2002: Message edited by: Heelfan71 ]</p>

03-30-2002, 06:06 AM	#2
Pitcher4u Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chicago , IL Posts: 42	.. ive had several players who werent doing all that bad... so i brought 2 of them up .. they started to dominate the league and after 1-2 weeks one of them had got injured and after that they both played horrible. I sent them down and they never really did manage to get their stats back up. So its a risk but if you dont bring them up and give them a chance then when will you?? __________________ Yeeeee Haw..

03-30-2002, 04:15 PM	#4
Seton Hall Pirate Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cheshire, CT Posts: 46	[quote]Originally posted by Heelfan71: <strong>I have 4 guys in AAA who are doing well. If I call a player up, then send him back down, does it hurt his development? Catcher: Steve Lomasney, 23 years old Avg=4 2b =3 3b =3 hr =3 bb =2 avoiding k's =6 Short Stop: Miguel Cabrera, 19 years old Avg=3 2b =4 3b =6 hr =2 bb =2 avoiding k's =6 Second Base: Paul Ozuna, 23 years old Avg=5 2b =3 3b =2 hr =2 bb =3 avoiding k's =3 Right Fielder, Abraham Nunez, 22 years old Avg=4 2b =3 3b =4 hr =3 bb =2 avoiding k's =2 Are any of these guys worthy of being called up. All 4 have been up in the majors at one point this year with Nunez doing the best. Will these guys ratings improve faster in AAA? [ March 30, 2002: Message edited by: Heelfan71 ]</strong><hr></blockquote> I never call anybody young up unless they are the starter at the beginning of the season, because I don't want to burn a year on them just to replace a guy temporarily. I see no reason to call up a 21-year old hot prospect just to replace an injured player for 15 days if it means I lose a year before I have to really sink my dough into the guy.

03-30-2002, 04:55 PM	#5
SSG Troyer All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somewhere to the left of 2nd base Posts: 1,598	[quote]Originally posted by Seton Hall Pirate: <strong> ...I see no reason to call up a 21-year old hot prospect...if it means I lose a year before I have to really sink my dough into the guy.</strong><hr></blockquote> Try this one little reason: if you don't, that hot prospect may well start to languish, and cease to be so hot. __________________ MWT Did Tennesee Delaware Mississppi's New Jersey? Idaho ... Alaska!

03-30-2002, 05:47 PM	#7
Modern Relic All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,266	[quote]Originally posted by SSG Troyer: <strong> Try this one little reason: if you don't, that hot prospect may well start to languish, and cease to be so hot.</strong><hr></blockquote> Aint that the truth! __________________ American Folklore Baseball League (closed): Commissioner/GM - Mudville Nine (ruled!) Former member of Boys of Summer: GM - St. Louis Browns (doormats!) Former member of the OTBL: GM - Gashouse Gorillas (also ruled!) "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby

03-30-2002, 12:39 PM	#3
Heelfan71 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 118	That's the problem, I am not playing them too much. Just in pinch hit situations and every now and then to give my starters a rest.

03-30-2002, 05:13 PM	#6
Heelfan71 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 118	the shortstop is only 19, but he is in AAA already. That's pretty good.

03-30-2002, 06:57 PM	#8
Rpmbucs Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: South Bend, Indiana Posts: 117	Still waiting for Modern Relic to post on the dreaded Charlie Bucket syndrome. My personal guess is that those oompa loompas were peddling more than candy __________________ Robert Ex-South Bend Studebakers-OOL KC Royals- NBSL Baseball Union- Pitsburgh Ochorios- Jamaica League

03-31-2002, 05:00 AM	#9
smeyers003 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 416	In my season(im the mets about 70 games in) the computer has brought both Cabrera and Ozuna up. I hope that helps.

03-31-2002, 06:25 AM	#10
Heelfan71 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 118	[quote]Originally posted by smeyers003: <strong>In my season(im the mets about 70 games in) the computer has brought both Cabrera and Ozuna up. I hope that helps.</strong><hr></blockquote> yes, thanks. I'm bringing all of them up. I need a little depth.

03-31-2002, 08:02 AM	#11
Modern Relic All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,266	AS it turns out, that River wasn't chocolate at all. It was whiskey! Young Charlie crawled in and never crawled out! Or so the story goes... [ March 31, 2002: Message edited by: Modern Relic ]</p> __________________ American Folklore Baseball League (closed): Commissioner/GM - Mudville Nine (ruled!) Former member of Boys of Summer: GM - St. Louis Browns (doormats!) Former member of the OTBL: GM - Gashouse Gorillas (also ruled!) "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby

04-01-2002, 06:22 AM	#12
GiantsRule Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Fargo,ND Posts: 85	Try this for a classic example of moving a player up to early. Rick Ankiel. My rule is wait till the prospect is around 25. If the prospect is a robot and is better than most minor leaguers send him up, but beware of Rick Ankiel.

04-01-2002, 06:42 AM	#13
fluharty All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 1,023	I will often call a guy up and use him as a utility/platoon guy his first year. I've never seen it have any real adverse effect. I (almost) never call a player up unless he has at least a 4 in hits, though. I say almost never because I will give a player a september call up if he has a 3 and is hitting better than 300 at AAA and his other ratings are all at least 3 (other than HR, which does not enter into the equation at all). [ April 01, 2002: Message edited by: fluharty ]</p>

04-01-2002, 06:48 AM	#14
fluharty All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 1,023	Age should not enter into the equation at all, IMO. They player should should have a 5 in hits and a 4 in eye, at least. With a 4 in hits he may struggle, but if he has been at 4 for more than one year I would definatly give him some at bats and see if it goes up any further. If a guys is 25 and still in the minors, I begin to get very impatient with him. If he's still there at 26, he's pressing his luck. At 27, I will generally release the player if he's not ready to play in the majors.

04-01-2002, 06:53 AM	#15
vyacheslavkozlovfan Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: my computer chair Posts: 86	I think it partially depends on the skills of your current major leaguers. If they all bat 3's (probably not) then you have a starting infielder. __________________ BL2 DC Coalition

04-01-2002, 06:55 AM	#16
vyacheslavkozlovfan Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: my computer chair Posts: 86	Also, if a prospect is a no.1 draft pick, bringing him up prematurely may keep him from becoming the rookie of the year that he deserves. If he has brilliant average talent and you bring him up when his skills are at four, then he might not come to his full potential. __________________ BL2 DC Coalition

04-01-2002, 06:59 AM	#17
fluharty All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 1,023	good point vyacheslavkozlovfan, if a guys is good/brilliant in hits I will wait till he has at least a 5 in hits, and often a 6. I will do a september call up the season before I think he'll be ready for full time, but will make sure he gets < 50 AB. -edit- to the original poster... none of those guys are ready- they do not have good enough BB/K ratings yet. for lomasney and cabrera, it depends on their BB talent. if they are fair/poor a 3 may be the best you can expect, in which case you may give lomasney a september look. keep it to less than 50 AB so he's still a rookie next year. [ April 01, 2002: Message edited by: fluharty ]</p>