Fictional Version of John Smoltz, 6.12 style

[Ben E Lou]

Started a test career a few moments after the release of 6.12. Just looked at it, and saw this fun career track:

Career Pitching Stats

<table class="s0"> <tbody><tr class="g"><td class="s1">Year</td><td>G</td><td>GS</td><td>W</td><td>L</td><td>SV</td><td>ERA</td><td>IP</td><td>HA</td><td>R</td><td>ER</td><td>HR</td><td>BB</td><td>K</td><td>CG</td><td>SHO</td><td>WHIP</td><td class="s3">Teams</td></tr> <tr class="g2"><td class="s1_2">2025</td><td>12</td><td>12</td><td>6</td><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>4.14</td><td>63.0</td><td>56</td><td>30</td><td>29</td><td>5</td><td>23</td><td>66</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1.25</td><td class="s3_2"> CIN</td></tr> <tr class="g"><td class="s1">2026</td><td>36</td><td>36</td><td>15</td><td>10</td><td>0</td><td>2.37</td><td>205.0</td><td>149</td><td>62</td><td>54</td><td>13</td><td>100</td><td>227</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1.21</td><td class="s3">CIN,L2</td></tr> <tr class="g2"><td class="s1_2">2027</td><td>36</td><td>36</td><td>14</td><td>7</td><td>0</td><td>2.33</td><td>200.2</td><td>153</td><td>62</td><td>52</td><td>11</td><td>77</td><td>256</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1.15</td><td class="s3_2">CIN,L2</td></tr> <tr class="g"><td class="s1">2028</td><td>36</td><td>36</td><td>16</td><td>8</td><td>0</td><td>1.99</td><td>212.2</td><td>136</td><td>50</td><td>47</td><td>8</td><td>55</td><td>253</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.90</td><td class="s3">CIN,L2</td></tr> <tr class="g2"><td class="s1_2">2029</td><td>36</td><td>36</td><td>22</td><td>3</td><td>0</td><td>1.70</td><td>227.1</td><td>144</td><td>49</td><td>43</td><td>6</td><td>24</td><td>262</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.74</td><td class="s3_2">CIN,L2</td></tr> <tr class="g"><td class="s1">2030</td><td>36</td><td>36</td><td>17</td><td>4</td><td>0</td><td>1.93</td><td>229.0</td><td>167</td><td>57</td><td>49</td><td>10</td><td>35</td><td>254</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.88</td><td class="s3">CIN,L2</td></tr> <tr class="g2"><td class="s1_2">2031</td><td>36</td><td>36</td><td>18</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1.39</td><td>226.2</td><td>165</td><td>40</td><td>35</td><td>5</td><td>26</td><td>266</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.84</td><td class="s3_2">CIN,L2</td></tr> <tr class="g"><td class="s1">2032</td><td>36</td><td>36</td><td>16</td><td>6</td><td>0</td><td>1.88</td><td>230.0</td><td>140</td><td>53</td><td>48</td><td>13</td><td>29</td><td>295</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.73</td><td class="s3"> CLE,L1</td></tr> <tr class="g2"><td class="s1_2">2033</td><td>36</td><td>36</td><td>21</td><td>6</td><td>0</td><td>1.85</td><td>238.0</td><td>157</td><td>50</td><td>49</td><td>12</td><td>38</td><td>303</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>0.82</td><td class="s3_2">CLE,L1</td></tr> <tr class="g"><td class="s1">2034</td><td>10</td><td>10</td><td>6</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>2.41</td><td>59.2</td><td>39</td><td>17</td><td>16</td><td>5</td><td>5</td><td>74</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.74</td><td class="s3">CLE</td></tr> <tr class="g2"><td class="s1_2">2035</td><td>77</td><td>0</td><td>10</td><td>5</td><td>45</td><td>1.69</td><td>101.1</td><td>63</td><td>20</td><td>19</td><td>4</td><td>11</td><td>137</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.73</td><td class="s3_2">CLE,L1</td></tr> <tr class="g"><td class="s1">2036</td><td>69</td><td>0</td><td>4</td><td>1</td><td>47</td><td>1.10</td><td>90.1</td><td>60</td><td>11</td><td>11</td><td>2</td><td>11</td><td>108</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.79</td><td class="s3">CLE,L1</td></tr> <tr class="g2"><td class="s1_2">2037</td><td>78</td><td>0</td><td>7</td><td>4</td><td>41</td><td>2.03</td><td>106.1</td><td>78</td><td>25</td><td>24</td><td>4</td><td>18</td><td>136</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.90</td><td class="s3_2">CLE,L1</td></tr> <tr class="g"><td class="s1">2038</td><td>74</td><td>0</td><td>7</td><td>3</td><td>39</td><td>2.26</td><td>99.2</td><td>62</td><td>26</td><td>25</td><td>7</td><td>15</td><td>137</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.77</td><td class="s3">CLE,L1</td></tr> <tr class="g2"><td class="s1_2">2039</td><td>78</td><td>0</td><td>6</td><td>5</td><td>38</td><td>2.37</td><td>102.1</td><td>75</td><td>27</td><td>27</td><td>8</td><td>13</td><td>145</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.86</td><td class="s3_2">CLE</td></tr> <tr class="g"><td class="s1">2040</td><td>36</td><td>36</td><td>21</td><td>4</td><td>0</td><td>1.84</td><td>224.2</td><td>154</td><td>46</td><td>46</td><td>13</td><td>22</td><td>265</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.78</td><td class="s3">CLE,L1</td></tr> <tr class="g2"><td class="s1_2">2041</td><td>35</td><td>35</td><td>20</td><td>4</td><td>0</td><td>2.78</td><td>213.2</td><td>171</td><td>75</td><td>66</td><td>17</td><td>22</td><td>260</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.90</td><td class="s3_2">CLE,L1</td></tr> <tr class="g"><td class="s1">2042</td><td>36</td><td>36</td><td>15</td><td>10</td><td>0</td><td>3.12</td><td>207.2</td><td>168</td><td>76</td><td>72</td><td>23</td><td>32</td><td>255</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.96</td><td class="s3"> DET</td></tr> <tr class="g2"><td class="s1_2">2043</td><td>49</td><td>17</td><td>9</td><td>6</td><td>15</td><td>2.82</td><td>137.1</td><td>115</td><td>46</td><td>43</td><td>11</td><td>23</td><td>166</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1.00</td><td class="s3_2">DET</td></tr> <tr class="g"><td class="s1">2044</td><td>78</td><td>0</td><td>13</td><td>5</td><td>37</td><td>2.67</td><td>104.2</td><td>83</td><td>31</td><td>31</td><td>8</td><td>32</td><td>121</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1.10</td><td class="s3">DET,L1</td></tr> <tr class="g2"><td class="s1_2">2045</td><td>75</td><td>0</td><td>5</td><td>8</td><td>45</td><td>3.00</td><td>93.0</td><td>86</td><td>33</td><td>31</td><td>9</td><td>20</td><td>107</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1.14</td><td class="s3_2">DET,L1</td></tr> <tr class="g"><td class="s1">2046</td><td>67</td><td>0</td><td>7</td><td>2</td><td>39</td><td>3.55</td><td>83.2</td><td>85</td><td>35</td><td>33</td><td>8</td><td>21</td><td>89</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1.27</td><td class="s3">DET,L1</td></tr> <tr class="g2"><td class="s1_2">2047</td><td>65</td><td>0</td><td>7</td><td>7</td><td>36</td><td>3.66</td><td>86.0</td><td>68</td><td>39</td><td>35</td><td>14</td><td>19</td><td>97</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1.01</td><td class="s3_2">DET,L1</td></tr> <tr class="g"><td class="s1">2048</td><td>102</td><td>0</td><td>5</td><td>3</td><td>5</td><td>3.72</td><td>96.2</td><td>80</td><td>40</td><td>40</td><td>15</td><td>29</td><td>96</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1.13</td><td class="s3"> MON</td></tr> <tr class="g2"><td class="s1_2">Total</td><td>1229</td><td>434</td><td>287</td><td>114</td><td>387</td><td>2.29</td><td>3639.1</td><td>2654</td><td>1000</td><td>925</td><td>231</td><td>700</td><td>4375</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>0.92</td><td class="s3_2"> </td></tr></tbody> </table>

[rem]

2031 36 36 18 0 0 1.39 226.2 165 40 35 5 26 266 0 0 0.84 Cin,l2

[mrbill]

Any way to find out the movement rating of this pitcher during his stretch?

Those HR numbers should be among the best in the league (no one should be under 5 HR consistantly anymore), but was this pitcher's movement rating one of the best?

[Ben E Lou]

This guy is, by FAR, the best pitcher in the fictional league's 50+ year history. He's fourth overall in wins (yeah, despite spending 11 seasons in the bullpen), first by a long shot in ERA, 2nd in strikeouts, and 10th in saves.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by mrbill

Any way to find out the movement rating of this pitcher during his stretch?

Those HR numbers should be among the best in the league (no one should be under 5 HR consistantly anymore), but was this pitcher's movement rating one of the best?

Yeah, I have all the almanacs saved. Hold on...

[mrbill]

Good. I'm curious to see how HR given up is affected by the patch, and if this pitcher was one of the highest rated in movement and also consistently one of the best HR/9 pitchers, that would imply the upper end of movement is fixed

[Ben E Lou]

In 2031, (the 18-0 year), here are his ratings:

Pitching Ratings

<table class="s0"> <tbody><tr class="g"><td class="s1">Pitching</td><td>Stuff</td><td>Control</td><td>Movement</td><td>Velocity</td></tr> <tr class="g2"><td class="s1_2">Overall</td><td>117</td><td>96</td><td>90</td><td>93-96 Mph</td></tr> <tr class="g"><td class="s1">Versus LHB</td><td>126</td><td>111</td><td>100</td><td> </td></tr> <tr class="g2"><td class="s1_2">Versus RHB</td><td>115</td><td>92</td><td>87</td><td> </td></tr> <tr class="g"><td class="s1">Talent</td><td>124</td><td>138</td><td>100</td><td>
</td></tr></tbody> </table>

Now, I just stopped the sim to check the league, and right now (2061), there are only three pitchers with Stuff >100, and the highest is 103. Only one, at 101, is above 100 in control, and 97 is the league's highest movement rating. Sounds like this guy might have been once-a-century kind of player.

[treedom]

Man, too bad he was thrown into the pen...may have reached 350 wins.

[Crapshoot]

Ben, did his duration drop such that he was put into the pen ? I would be shocked if the OOTP AI threw a guy into the pen for any other reason - it clearly wasnt a talent issue.

[rem]

I'm guessing that he always had pretty low duration.

[Delgadodawg]

Originally Posted by Aadik

Ben, did his duration drop such that he was put into the pen ? I would be shocked if the OOTP AI threw a guy into the pen for any other reason - it clearly wasnt a talent issue.

Exactly what I was thinking, and then he was put back to starter for a few years before once again moving back to closer.


287 wins and 387 saves. That is two very good careers

[Ben E Lou]

Notice the 2034 season. He went down with bone chips in his shoulder, which is why we only started 10 games. His endurance dropped from 55 to 44. However, a few years later:

Originally Posted by Almanac

Thursday 10/14/2039 : Kenneth Scotto's control seems to have taken a bump...
Zachary Thao has increased his lower body strength, his duration raises!

It only went up to 48, but that was just enough for a move back into the rotation, apparently.

[Kelric]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Notice the 2034 season. He went down with bone chips in his shoulder, which is why we only started 10 games. His endurance dropped from 55 to 44. However, a few years later: It only went up to 48, but that was just enough for a move back into the rotation, apparently.

Wow, OOTP may have done something right.

[treedom]

Wow. That's neat!

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Kelric

Wow, OOTP may have done something right.

Actually, it has done this rather well since the days right around the OOTP6 release. Either in my preview thread over at FOFC, or the "Alright boyz" post-release thread, I posted some HTML output from a long-term sim, and it was noticed that several pitchers were getting like 70 starts a year, but only throwing 1-3 innnigs per start. We figured out that after low-endurance starters would suffer an endurance drops for one reason or another, they'd remain in the rotation. It was reported to Markus and fixed pretty quickly, and ever since, pitchers have moved from the rotation to the bullpen and vice versa when their endurance rises or drops above a certain threshold.

[rem]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Actually, it has done this rather well since the days right around the OOTP6 release. Either in my preview thread over at FOFC, or the "Alright boyz" post-release thread, I posted some HTML output from a long-term sim, and it was noticed that several pitchers were getting like 70 starts a year, but only throwing 1-3 innnigs per start. We figured out that after low-endurance starters would suffer an endurance drops for one reason or another, they'd remain in the rotation. It was reported to Markus and fixed pretty quickly, and ever since, pitchers have moved from the rotation to the bullpen and vice versa when their endurance rises or drops above a certain threshold.

70 starts a year?

[jbmagic]

Skydog

how the closer getting saves on patch 6.12 so far?

you seeing an improvement over 6.11?

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by remangiii

70 starts a year?

Sure. If the rotation is set to "start highest rested starter," and your #1 guy had endurance of 40-45, he'd only throw 1-3 innings in a start. Then, just like a relief pitcher, he'd be fully rested after 1-2 days' rest. Just out of curiosity, I'm looking over at FOFC to find out exactly when this was reported and fixed. I'm thinking that it was last April or May.

[Ben E Lou]

First mention of it April 18th, 2 days after the game was released: http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/f...&postcount=216

[Ben E Lou]

Yeah, this kind of guy was made possible with version 6.01: http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/f...&postcount=344