Cotto

darthpb · 02-26-2005, 11:40 PM

Man, I love Cotto but he should have been taken out there. What a friggin' brawl. Ref with a HORRIBLE stoppage....

Bam Bam · 02-27-2005, 01:13 AM

I love Cotto too, boy was I scared for awhile...I like his work in the last round,,,premature stoppage yes...but you can't just put your knee down when you get into trouble and expect another chance, tough win for Cotto, he showed some grit...I don't need to see a rematch, Miguel is the superior fighter, I think he just let an amped up crowd rush his gameplan a little. He should box first, KO late, not the other way around

crusadecat · 02-27-2005, 01:37 AM

It did provide for some exciting moments. Showed good survival instinct , just hope its part of the learning curve and not the beginings of a trend.

maxx · 02-27-2005, 02:34 AM

If Corley were anything close to a decent finisher he could have pulled this one off. I did like watching Merchant's attempt to restrain himself when he asked Corley after the fight to explain his strategy once Cotto was hurt. You could tell Merchant just wanted to blurt out, "What the hell were you thinking?"

Inane stoppage by the ref, but it looked like Corley's punches had lost their steam & it was just a matter of time before Cotto broke him down entirely.

mh2365 · 02-27-2005, 08:34 AM

If Corley had any kind of killer instinct he might of beaten Mayweather and Cotto. The ref was horrible I thought the knockdown in the first was clearly a push, but it's not Cotto's fault that Corley agreed to fight in Cotto's backyard.

PittPanther · 02-27-2005, 09:13 AM

Two notes:

1. The ref was terrible and not just for the quick stoppage. He let these guys punch the balls off of each other, hit on breaks, and hit after the bell. I'm sorry, but I have seen other fighters take a knee and recover, very early stoppage.

2. When in the world is boxing going to get back to a same day weigh in? If you thought Corley had a chance after seeing that Cotto walked into the ring at 157 you were nuts. I mean, seriously, this is getting ridiculous.

PittPanther · 02-27-2005, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by darthpb

Man, I love Cotto but he should have been taken out there. What a friggin' brawl. Ref with a HORRIBLE stoppage....

Definately he was hurt, I'll give you that. Perhaps he isn't quite ready for the throne as most of us had hoped.

The problem is he probably will be stuck taking these dangerous fights until the moneymakers in the division (read Gatti, Tszyu, Mayweather) work things out.

I'd like to see him get in the accelarated track now, it sure would make for some good matchups.

mrchallenge · 02-27-2005, 10:25 AM

Getting hurt is part of the game. Corley is no joke, even Mayweather got tagged good by him. Don't everybody abandon Cotto just because he was stunned in this fight. At the same time, a 17 pound advantage should be illegal. But the extra weight might have actually hurt Cotto, being drained from making weight may have contributed to Corley hurting him. Or maybe Cotto doesn't have that solid of a chin. Countryman Trinidad got knocked down a bunch of times and he's still a legend. At the same time, COtto doesn't seem to have the one punch power that Tito posseses, and his arms seem too short. He's heavyhanded, but many of his KO wins are from body shots, not solid punches to the head.

wildhawke11 · 02-27-2005, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by PittPanther

Two notes:

1. The ref was terrible and not just for the quick stoppage. He let these guys punch the balls off of each other, hit on breaks, and hit after the bell. I'm sorry, but I have seen other fighters take a knee and recover, very early stoppage.

2. When in the world is boxing going to get back to a same day weigh in? If you thought Corley had a chance after seeing that Cotto walked into the ring at 157 you were nuts. I mean, seriously, this is getting ridiculous.

I agree 100%

A Middleweight fighting for a 140 lb Belt, its a disgrace and its killing boxing. Bad night for the guy we all saw as a future real world champion. In front of a hometown crowd and ref, who i thought was a disgrace. It was lucky for Cotto he was not in with a guy who knew how to finish a man when hurt. He best stay away from Tszyu, and i bet Ricky Hatton is smiling after this farce and starting to fancy his chances even more.

They desperately need to bring back the same day weigh in to put on competitive fights,because right now there digging a grave for the fight game.

hamed · 02-27-2005, 12:25 PM

With Cotto weighing 157 for that fight, I wonder how much longer he'll be able to make 140? Chop Chop's never been a big puncher so if he could hurt him, I wonder how well Cotto would be able to handle the power of good shot from Gatti or Tszyu?

Vivian Harris might be next for Cotto in June? That could be a tough fight! If Cotto does move up to 147, I wonder how he'll take the punch of a strong welterweight?

erickdamac · 02-27-2005, 12:35 PM

As we speak Emanuel Stewert and Bob arum is talking right now in florida about Harris vs. cotto, harris is a main events fighter, but they dotn really care for him so stewert will help promote the fight.

June 17 Ny Cotto vs. vivian, I think Cotto gets knocked out, and then viv will sign with Bob.

sabotai · 02-27-2005, 01:52 PM

Horrible referee, but that's all on Corley's management. Unless he got a bunch of money that he had no chance of getting in any other situation, his management has to be completely insane to let his fight Cotto in Puerto Rico with a hometown referee. Cotto should at least consider making a move to different management.

If a 157 pound guy can fight a 140 pound guy, why even have weight divisions at all? It's one thing to have a 140 pound fight where the guys come in at 142 and 145 or something like that. 157 is way too much. Either make same day weigh ins or they need to put a cap on how much extra weight a guy can put on between weigh in and the fight.

At this point, I think Tszyu would completely destroy Cotto and Gatti would probably have his way with him too. I think it was pretty evident that this was the first time Cotto has really been tagged. If he jumps up and fights Tszyu or Gatti, he'll get really put out for the count if he got tagged by them. He needs several more steps up to get used to getting hit. And he can't start fights off recklessly anymore like he did last night. That's not the fighter he is and he leaves himself wide open when he tries to brawl.

PittPanther · 02-27-2005, 02:09 PM

I thought that in the fight against N'Dou, Cotto started to show that he eats leather.

Anyway, I guess will see how it plays out. I really doubt Harris will be his next opponent. I know Harris would like the fight, but would Cotto?

erickdamac · 02-27-2005, 02:16 PM

Well Bob Arum have Ny the garden for june 17 with Cotto being the headliner, He wants to have a unifaction bout with cotto vs. mayweather early 2006 with mayweather having the wbc-cotto with wbo and wba, the fight will happend, because if harris win, he will sign with arum anyway, According to Emanuel, the fight will happen, him and bob been talking for 12 hours about the details.

Bam Bam · 02-27-2005, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PittPanther

I thought that in the fight against N'Dou, Cotto started to show that he eats leather.

Anyway, I guess will see how it plays out. I really doubt Harris will be his next opponent. I know Harris would like the fight, but would Cotto?

That was a gutty fight, but thats why I knew Cotto could get through this one...I perosnally think he gets hit more than he should, but I like his demeanor and the way he handles it.

meade95 · 02-27-2005, 05:33 PM

Agree with all the rest - Ref was terrible - Stoppage was early -

As for Cotto his chin is definitely suspect - He better stay at 147 and below - He won't handle bigger guys punches (IMO).

Shaft081 · 02-27-2005, 06:29 PM

Drastic weight loss is the #1 cause for deaths in boxing. It's the reason that more boxers in the lighter weights are killled in the ring than heaveyweights despite the fact heaveyweihts punch wih more force. Having done it myself, I can say that dropping weight is incredibly gruelling. Not only is a guy like Corley put at risk, but Cotto as well. Fromwhat I undestand the area around the brain lacks fluid, making repeasted blows to the head potentially fatal. When I see I fight like this, I just hope that it ends quick so neither man is hurt badly. In anyother fight, I'd have been enraged by the stoppage, in this case I was upset, but also a bit releved the fight was over. If Cotto's managment cares about him, they have to move him to welterweight

jofre · 02-27-2005, 07:11 PM

Official weigh-ins have been getting a lot of ink since the Gatti-Gamache fight. Currently, weigh-ins are taking place 36 hours prior to fight time. The reason is supposedly for safety – specifically to eliminate the harmful effects of dehydration by affording fighters time to rehydrate themselves before the fight. In order to contend with this, the Nevada Athletic Commission was contemplating having a second weigh-in the day of the fight and limiting a fighter to 7 percent weight gain. If such a practice were in effect during the Cotto - Corley fight. Cotto would not have been allowed to weigh more than 150 pounds. This seems like a reasonable compromise.

boilermaker · 02-27-2005, 07:40 PM

Normally, I don't like any sensationalism or showmanship in boxing that might resemble something pro-wrestling or UFC might do, but I thought Corley was a little ballsy for walking through a partisan Puerto Rican crowd in a space outfit, or whatever that was.

meade95 · 03-01-2005, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jofre

weigh-ins are taking place 36 hours prior to fight time. The reason is supposedly for safety – specifically to eliminate the harmful effects of dehydration by affording fighters time to rehydrate themselves before the fight.

Exactly right - and definitely needed - All fighters regardless of when you put the weigh in would try to "cut" weight till the very last second -

By not allowing time for them to rehydrate we would have more serious conditions coming out of boxing (not less).

The idea of another weigh-in happening on the day of the fight is a thought worth looking into further -

02-27-2005, 01:13 AM	#2
Bam Bam All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New York Posts: 1,027	I love Cotto too, boy was I scared for awhile...I like his work in the last round,,,premature stoppage yes...but you can't just put your knee down when you get into trouble and expect another chance, tough win for Cotto, he showed some grit...I don't need to see a rematch, Miguel is the superior fighter, I think he just let an amped up crowd rush his gameplan a little. He should box first, KO late, not the other way around __________________ runs a 4.4 40.. Last edited by Bam Bam; 02-27-2005 at 01:17 AM.

02-27-2005, 09:13 AM	#6
PittPanther All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 1,235	Two notes: 1. The ref was terrible and not just for the quick stoppage. He let these guys punch the balls off of each other, hit on breaks, and hit after the bell. I'm sorry, but I have seen other fighters take a knee and recover, very early stoppage. 2. When in the world is boxing going to get back to a same day weigh in? If you thought Corley had a chance after seeing that Cotto walked into the ring at 157 you were nuts. I mean, seriously, this is getting ridiculous. __________________ Commitment Teamwork Pride Hail to Pitt!

02-27-2005, 02:09 PM	#13
PittPanther All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 1,235	I thought that in the fight against N'Dou, Cotto started to show that he eats leather. Anyway, I guess will see how it plays out. I really doubt Harris will be his next opponent. I know Harris would like the fight, but would Cotto? __________________ Commitment Teamwork Pride Hail to Pitt!

02-27-2005, 06:29 PM	#17
Shaft081 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New York Posts: 101	Drastic weight loss is the #1 cause for deaths in boxing. It's the reason that more boxers in the lighter weights are killled in the ring than heaveyweights despite the fact heaveyweihts punch wih more force. Having done it myself, I can say that dropping weight is incredibly gruelling. Not only is a guy like Corley put at risk, but Cotto as well. Fromwhat I undestand the area around the brain lacks fluid, making repeasted blows to the head potentially fatal. When I see I fight like this, I just hope that it ends quick so neither man is hurt badly. In anyother fight, I'd have been enraged by the stoppage, in this case I was upset, but also a bit releved the fight was over. If Cotto's managment cares about him, they have to move him to welterweight Last edited by Shaft081; 02-27-2005 at 06:35 PM.

02-27-2005, 07:11 PM	#18
jofre Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 2,139	Official weigh-ins have been getting a lot of ink since the Gatti-Gamache fight. Currently, weigh-ins are taking place 36 hours prior to fight time. The reason is supposedly for safety – specifically to eliminate the harmful effects of dehydration by affording fighters time to rehydrate themselves before the fight. In order to contend with this, the Nevada Athletic Commission was contemplating having a second weigh-in the day of the fight and limiting a fighter to 7 percent weight gain. If such a practice were in effect during the Cotto - Corley fight. Cotto would not have been allowed to weigh more than 150 pounds. This seems like a reasonable compromise. __________________ jofre

02-26-2005, 11:40 PM	#1
darthpb All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Queens, NY a mile from Shea Posts: 690	Cotto Man, I love Cotto but he should have been taken out there. What a friggin' brawl. Ref with a HORRIBLE stoppage....

02-27-2005, 01:37 AM	#3
crusadecat All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 830	It did provide for some exciting moments. Showed good survival instinct , just hope its part of the learning curve and not the beginings of a trend.

02-27-2005, 02:34 AM	#4
maxx All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 716	If Corley were anything close to a decent finisher he could have pulled this one off. I did like watching Merchant's attempt to restrain himself when he asked Corley after the fight to explain his strategy once Cotto was hurt. You could tell Merchant just wanted to blurt out, "What the hell were you thinking?" Inane stoppage by the ref, but it looked like Corley's punches had lost their steam & it was just a matter of time before Cotto broke him down entirely.

02-27-2005, 08:34 AM	#5
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	If Corley had any kind of killer instinct he might of beaten Mayweather and Cotto. The ref was horrible I thought the knockdown in the first was clearly a push, but it's not Cotto's fault that Corley agreed to fight in Cotto's backyard.

02-27-2005, 10:25 AM	#8
mrchallenge Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 167	Getting hurt is part of the game. Corley is no joke, even Mayweather got tagged good by him. Don't everybody abandon Cotto just because he was stunned in this fight. At the same time, a 17 pound advantage should be illegal. But the extra weight might have actually hurt Cotto, being drained from making weight may have contributed to Corley hurting him. Or maybe Cotto doesn't have that solid of a chin. Countryman Trinidad got knocked down a bunch of times and he's still a legend. At the same time, COtto doesn't seem to have the one punch power that Tito posseses, and his arms seem too short. He's heavyhanded, but many of his KO wins are from body shots, not solid punches to the head.

02-27-2005, 12:25 PM	#10
hamed Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	With Cotto weighing 157 for that fight, I wonder how much longer he'll be able to make 140? Chop Chop's never been a big puncher so if he could hurt him, I wonder how well Cotto would be able to handle the power of good shot from Gatti or Tszyu? Vivian Harris might be next for Cotto in June? That could be a tough fight! If Cotto does move up to 147, I wonder how he'll take the punch of a strong welterweight?

02-27-2005, 12:35 PM	#11
erickdamac All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,592	As we speak Emanuel Stewert and Bob arum is talking right now in florida about Harris vs. cotto, harris is a main events fighter, but they dotn really care for him so stewert will help promote the fight. June 17 Ny Cotto vs. vivian, I think Cotto gets knocked out, and then viv will sign with Bob.

02-27-2005, 01:52 PM	#12
sabotai All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: South Jersey Posts: 841	Horrible referee, but that's all on Corley's management. Unless he got a bunch of money that he had no chance of getting in any other situation, his management has to be completely insane to let his fight Cotto in Puerto Rico with a hometown referee. Cotto should at least consider making a move to different management. If a 157 pound guy can fight a 140 pound guy, why even have weight divisions at all? It's one thing to have a 140 pound fight where the guys come in at 142 and 145 or something like that. 157 is way too much. Either make same day weigh ins or they need to put a cap on how much extra weight a guy can put on between weigh in and the fight. At this point, I think Tszyu would completely destroy Cotto and Gatti would probably have his way with him too. I think it was pretty evident that this was the first time Cotto has really been tagged. If he jumps up and fights Tszyu or Gatti, he'll get really put out for the count if he got tagged by them. He needs several more steps up to get used to getting hit. And he can't start fights off recklessly anymore like he did last night. That's not the fighter he is and he leaves himself wide open when he tries to brawl.

02-27-2005, 02:16 PM	#14
erickdamac All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,592	Well Bob Arum have Ny the garden for june 17 with Cotto being the headliner, He wants to have a unifaction bout with cotto vs. mayweather early 2006 with mayweather having the wbc-cotto with wbo and wba, the fight will happend, because if harris win, he will sign with arum anyway, According to Emanuel, the fight will happen, him and bob been talking for 12 hours about the details.

02-27-2005, 05:33 PM	#16
meade95 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,095	Agree with all the rest - Ref was terrible - Stoppage was early - As for Cotto his chin is definitely suspect - He better stay at 147 and below - He won't handle bigger guys punches (IMO).

02-27-2005, 07:40 PM	#19
boilermaker All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,956	Normally, I don't like any sensationalism or showmanship in boxing that might resemble something pro-wrestling or UFC might do, but I thought Corley was a little ballsy for walking through a partisan Puerto Rican crowd in a space outfit, or whatever that was.