All Chump Team - Chicago White Sox

eriqjaffe · 02-09-2005, 03:18 PM

Here's my take - they don't really go back very far, because a lot of this is based on my own subjective observations:

1B - Mike Squires
2B - Julio Cruz
SS - Jose Valentin
3B - Tim Hulett (Joe Crede HM)
OF - Dan Pasqua
OF - Ron Kittle
OF - Daryl Boston
C - Ron Karkovice

SP - Kirk McCaskill
SP - James Baldwin
SP - Melido Perez
SP - Jaime Navarro
SP - Jim Parque
(Honorable Mention - Dave LaPoint, Doug Drabek, David Wells)

MR - Scott Eyre
MR - Tom Fordham
MR - Gary Glover
MR - Steve Rosenberg
MR - Jose Paniagua

CL - Billy Koch

Splitter24 · 02-09-2005, 03:24 PM

INF - Kevin Bell

Melo · 02-09-2005, 03:30 PM

Whoa, Dan Pasqua for two teams already.

Splitter24 · 02-09-2005, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Melo

Whoa, Dan Pasqua for two teams already.

That must make him a Chump Star.

jrdoa · 02-09-2005, 05:26 PM

More for the list...

Scott Ruffcorn (P)
Jerry Dybzinski (SS) not sure on spelling

A-Train · 02-09-2005, 06:44 PM

I would think Ivan Calderon would be a much better fit in the outfield than Ron Kittle...Kittle was a fan favorite for all his roof shots at Old Comiskey; Calderon's contribution consists of one decent season and that the Sox traded him to the Expos (along with Barry Jones, another great Chump nominee) for Tim Raines.

Mike D · 02-09-2005, 07:11 PM

SS needs to be Mike Caruso.

JDOldSchool · 02-09-2005, 07:22 PM

You're gonna have to make a lot of room for this year's squad.

Give an OF spot to Podsednik. Crede needs to get the 3B spot. Now. Immediately. God, I hate Crede.

Does the All Chump team need to have guys who were regulars? Karkovice was horrible offensively, but at least he could play defense.

I disagree with Valentin and Glover. Glover wasn't a star, but he was hardly that bad. I'd put Neal Cotts on that list before him. Neal Cotts is close to reaching Crede levels of hatred in my heart. These people are destroying my loyalty to the team.

Kenny Williams should have an OF spot. Not so much for his poor play, but because he took a 95-win team and in a handful of years has turned them in to a 70-win team.

How did Dan Pasqua spend SEVEN seasons with the White Sox? That's unfathomable. I really hated him. I didn't care for Cory Snyder, either.

I was just looking up some players and I found what has to be one of the dumbest trades I've ever seen: Jorge Fabregas and Chuck McElroy from the Angels for Tony Phillips and Chad Kreuter. Phillips' OBP was .440 at the time! I wonder what the philosophy behind that trade was.

Unoriginal Name · 02-16-2005, 02:24 PM

What about Steve Sax when he was with the Sox and more recently Todd Ritchie.

goldfinger77 · 02-16-2005, 09:21 PM

Replace Valentin with Royce Clayton.

eriqjaffe · 02-17-2005, 10:11 AM

Sax & Ritchie really weren't with the Sox long enough...but Ritchie is a good choice, considering how much the Sox gave up to get him.

Royce "The Choice" Clayton, however, is a very good choice.

JDOldSchool · 02-17-2005, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

Sax & Ritchie really weren't with the Sox long enough...but Ritchie is a good choice, considering how much the Sox gave up to get him.

Royce "The Choice" Clayton, however, is a very good choice.

Clayton played 47 more games with the Sox than Sax did. Sax was much, much worse with the team.

02-09-2005, 03:18 PM	#1
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,733	All Chump Team - Chicago White Sox Here's my take - they don't really go back very far, because a lot of this is based on my own subjective observations: 1B - Mike Squires 2B - Julio Cruz SS - Jose Valentin 3B - Tim Hulett (Joe Crede HM) OF - Dan Pasqua OF - Ron Kittle OF - Daryl Boston C - Ron Karkovice SP - Kirk McCaskill SP - James Baldwin SP - Melido Perez SP - Jaime Navarro SP - Jim Parque (Honorable Mention - Dave LaPoint, Doug Drabek, David Wells) MR - Scott Eyre MR - Tom Fordham MR - Gary Glover MR - Steve Rosenberg MR - Jose Paniagua CL - Billy Koch __________________

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02-09-2005, 07:11 PM	#7
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,802	SS needs to be Mike Caruso. __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

02-17-2005, 10:11 AM	#11
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,733	Sax & Ritchie really weren't with the Sox long enough...but Ritchie is a good choice, considering how much the Sox gave up to get him. Royce "The Choice" Clayton, however, is a very good choice. __________________

02-09-2005, 03:30 PM	#3
Melo All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Where the baned reside Posts: 1,428	Whoa, Dan Pasqua for two teams already.

02-09-2005, 05:26 PM	#5
jrdoa Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 151	More for the list... Scott Ruffcorn (P) Jerry Dybzinski (SS) not sure on spelling

02-09-2005, 06:44 PM	#6
A-Train Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Griffith, Indiana Posts: 7	I would think Ivan Calderon would be a much better fit in the outfield than Ron Kittle...Kittle was a fan favorite for all his roof shots at Old Comiskey; Calderon's contribution consists of one decent season and that the Sox traded him to the Expos (along with Barry Jones, another great Chump nominee) for Tim Raines.

02-09-2005, 07:22 PM	#8
JDOldSchool Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,023	You're gonna have to make a lot of room for this year's squad. Give an OF spot to Podsednik. Crede needs to get the 3B spot. Now. Immediately. God, I hate Crede. Does the All Chump team need to have guys who were regulars? Karkovice was horrible offensively, but at least he could play defense. I disagree with Valentin and Glover. Glover wasn't a star, but he was hardly that bad. I'd put Neal Cotts on that list before him. Neal Cotts is close to reaching Crede levels of hatred in my heart. These people are destroying my loyalty to the team. Kenny Williams should have an OF spot. Not so much for his poor play, but because he took a 95-win team and in a handful of years has turned them in to a 70-win team. How did Dan Pasqua spend SEVEN seasons with the White Sox? That's unfathomable. I really hated him. I didn't care for Cory Snyder, either. I was just looking up some players and I found what has to be one of the dumbest trades I've ever seen: Jorge Fabregas and Chuck McElroy from the Angels for Tony Phillips and Chad Kreuter. Phillips' OBP was .440 at the time! I wonder what the philosophy behind that trade was.

02-16-2005, 02:24 PM	#9
Unoriginal Name Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 184	What about Steve Sax when he was with the Sox and more recently Todd Ritchie.

02-16-2005, 09:21 PM	#10
goldfinger77 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 169	Replace Valentin with Royce Clayton.