McNabb Had Concussion?

Jason · 02-08-2005, 04:11 PM

I just heard a news report that Eagles players are saying McNabb suffered a concussion and at one point in the 4th quarter couldn't call a play in the huddle. Anyone else hear about this?

Muppetus Galacticus · 02-08-2005, 04:15 PM

Another reason why he shouldn't have gone into the huddle then

canadiancreed · 02-08-2005, 04:18 PM

woudl explain why he took bloody forever to get on the line

Eckstein 4 Prez · 02-08-2005, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale And Eli's Dad

I just heard a news report that Eagles players are saying McNabb suffered a concussion and at one point in the 4th quarter couldn't call a play in the huddle. Anyone else hear about this?

No, but if it's true heads should roll on both the coaching staff and the training staff.

rudel.dietrich · 02-08-2005, 04:21 PM

Certainly didn't look like he had a concussion. No stumbling around, no lying on the field after the play.
Even with a minor concussion you just dont pop back up.
I don't buy it. Looks like the scapegoat for Mcnabb and the coaching staff about botching the time managment.

TheRockCT · 02-08-2005, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Certainly didn't look like he had a concussion. No stumbling around, no lying on the field after the play.
Even with a minor concussion you just dont pop back up.
I don't buy it. Looks like the scapegoat for Mcnabb and the coaching staff about botching the time managment.

Gotta agree with FJ here - it just looked like they weren't all that interested in winning. The coaches weren't pressing the players to go into no-huddle, and I mean sure, you look to McNabb for leadership and guidance on whether or not to return to the huddle or not, but other players weren't doing anything to hurry back from the previous plays either.

KILLERBS24 · 02-08-2005, 05:21 PM

This is about the 20th story I've heard as to why they weren't running no huddle, enough with the excuses. If he was concussed how did he throw the TD with 2 minutes left. I've seen enough of the stupid Philly fans on ESPN, they are a bunch of whiners. All kinds of reasons as to what happened except for the correct one, they weren't the better team! New England played their worst game of the playoffs and won relatively comfortably despite the final score.

Splitter24 · 02-08-2005, 05:29 PM

It seemed like only the Eagles Center, Frahley (sp?) was in any hurry to get back to the line. He was waving his arms and screaming something. If McNabb had a concussion, maybe there was 9 other guys who did, too.

BaseballMan · 02-08-2005, 05:36 PM

I didnt hear it was a concussion. I heard he was sick. They said someone else had to call one of the plays. If so thenthe other offensive players should have said something to the coaching staff.
But i tend to agree its more or less making an excuse.
I wouldnt say it was one player either. The whole team was dragging the last few minutes. Being tired isnt a good excuse either. They have backup players if they needed a rest. But i would have to blame the coaching staff the most.
The announcers saw the poor clock management by the Eagle offense, we as fans saw it, so i dont know how Andy Reid missed it.

Slackker · 02-08-2005, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KILLERBS24

If he was concussed how did he throw the TD with 2 minutes left. I've seen enough of the stupid Philly fans on ESPN, they are a bunch of whiners. All kinds of reasons as to what happened except for the correct one, they weren't the better team!

While I don't think McNabb had a concussion.. this was a silly statement. How did he throw the touchdown? Did you see Brett Favre throw that touchdown earlier in the season, when he was basically out on his feet? He must not have had a concussion

McNabb played on a fractured leg (or broken?) once upon a time as well. He's a pretty tough guy, I wouldn't say he didn't have a concussion just because he didn't show the classic signs. Also, the excuse isn't for the loss.. it's for the inept nature in which the Eagles handled the clock. It's nowhere near as silly as Roethlisbergers claim of broken toes.

All that said.. chances are it's a bunch of crap spewed forth by fans and/or people eager to save their jobs. It was a stupid move to handle the end of the game like that, and everyone knows it. Lets just leave it at that.

Gastric ReFlux · 02-08-2005, 05:58 PM

This is what I've heard being vaguely bandied about:

McNabb due to some unspecified physical limitation was incapable of shifting the Eagles offense into hurry-up mode. Physical limitations being conjectured about include concussion, bout of the flu, that the stress of the situation had put him in a state of like Jamie Foxx in Any Given Sunday about ready to puke his guts out, that his cardio conditioning was not at the level it should be and he was wearing out by that time.

It has been reported that Reid wanted to go hurry-up, but because of the physical problem, judged that it wasn't going to happen, that his best choice to win the game still was Dononvan McNabb, so the best of the remaining options was to let McNabb proceed at the pace he was capable of.

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This is about the 20th story I've heard as to why they weren't running no huddle, enough with the excuses. If he was concussed how did he throw the TD with 2 minutes left. I've seen enough of the stupid Philly fans on ESPN, they are a bunch of whiners. All kinds of reasons as to what happened except for the correct one, they weren't the better team! New England played their worst game of the playoffs and won relatively comfortably despite the final score.

It's not necessarily a case of looking for excuses. Fans around here want to know why the hurry-up offense wasn't used.

Then there's the whole matter of winning graciously, but we'll let you figure that out.

Vris · 02-08-2005, 06:17 PM

You can win graciously and you can lose graciously. Coming up with excuses as to why they did one thing instead of another isn't losing graciously.

Gastric ReFlux · 02-08-2005, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Vris

You can win graciously and you can lose graciously. Coming up with excuses as to why they did one thing instead of another isn't losing graciously.

No doubt about that. I don't care for senseless excuses either, but I would like to know, if possible, what happened as to why the hurry-up wasn't run. That doesn't mean either that I think it would have won the game for the Eagles if they had, they were still behind by 10 in the 4th quarter, but it would be interesting to know why the hurry-up was not used.

If a verifiable explanation is given, I won't think "Hey the Eagles would have won if not for that." They probably would have still lost.

Vezna31 · 02-08-2005, 06:30 PM

Playing with a concussion is a believable thing although I don't think that was the case here. Troy Aikman sustained a concussion in one of his Superbowls and doesn't remember the entire second half and he threw TD passes.

asamford · 02-08-2005, 06:39 PM

The reasons I heard was that if they went into hurry-up, T.O. would have had to come off the field because he didn't have the stamina or conditioning after not playing for 6 weeks, so they kept huddling up to give TO a breather to be able to keep him on the field figuring they had a better chance of a big play TD with him on the field rather than without him.

Vris · 02-08-2005, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by asamford

The reasons I heard was that if they went into hurry-up, T.O. would have had to come off the field because he didn't have the stamina or conditioning after not playing for 6 weeks, so they kept huddling up to give TO a breather to be able to keep him on the field figuring they had a better chance of a big play TD with him on the field rather than without him.

If that is the case, asamford, that is dispicable. One player does not a team make. It obviously hindered their chance to win the game, more than it did to help. Sure they got the ball back, but in very unfavorable position.

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No doubt about that. I don't care for senseless excuses either, but I would like to know, if possible, what happened as to why the hurry-up wasn't run. That doesn't mean either that I think it would have won the game for the Eagles if they had, they were still behind by 10 in the 4th quarter, but it would be interesting to know why the hurry-up was not used.

If a verifiable explanation is given, I won't think "Hey the Eagles would have won if not for that." They probably would have still lost.

I agree wholeheartedly. But, again, you have to know you're never going to get the full story. The media blows everything out of proportion, and I'm sure Andy Reid is just too embarrassed to even tell what was really going on, because of all the hype around "why they didn't use the hurry up". I can only hope, in the situation they were in, that they would've used the hurry up if they could've. Down 2 scores with 6 minutes to go is a lot.

Vezna31 · 02-08-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by asamford

The reasons I heard was that if they went into hurry-up, T.O. would have had to come off the field because he didn't have the stamina or conditioning after not playing for 6 weeks, so they kept huddling up to give TO a breather to be able to keep him on the field figuring they had a better chance of a big play TD with him on the field rather than without him.

Whatever the reason, I am quite sure that WIP 1060 sports talk has been completely ripping the team for it as well as letting the fans call in and have their say. Kinda glad I don't live there now.

Luis_Rivera · 02-08-2005, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Vris

The media blows everything out of proportion

Sort of like taking a few comments on ESPN and turning it into:

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I've seen enough of the stupid Philly fans on ESPN, they are a bunch of whiners.

Gastric ReFlux · 02-08-2005, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Vezna31

Whatever the reason, I am quite sure that WIP 1060 sports talk has been completely ripping the team for it as well as letting the fans call in and have their say. Kinda glad I don't live there now.

It's been a subject all right on 610 WIP. Angelo Cataldi and the morning team were talking about it on Monday, and more this morning which was the first I heard about McNabb having an unspecified physical ailment.

Howard Eskin, the King of Bling, has taken the position that the hurry-up wasn't needed. Anyone who has called into ask "why wasn't the hurry-up run?" has been treated to a tirade of how that fan doesn't know jacksquat about football, that they're a dope, a moron. Eskin's trump point is to ask in reply, "Did the Eagles score on that drive?" "Well yes." "Shut up then, you dope!" Doesn't give a fan a chance to say, "But if they could have scored like around the 3:00 minute mark instead of inside the 2:00 minute warning, they might have had a better chance."

asamford · 02-08-2005, 07:02 PM

I think a bigger mistake than the late game clock management (which was ugly, i was dumbfounded while watching), was the decision to go for the onside kick. With 1:50 remaining and two timeouts, you have to trust that a - your defense can stop the Pats in 3 and out and that b - the Pats would be conservative. If they kick the ball deep, not only do you allow the chance for a fumble on the return, if you go down, stop them on 3 and out, they punt and you get the ball back on your own 40 or so... with 45 seconds to go, there's plenty of time for a couple of 15-20 yard sideline passes to give Akers a shot at 3.

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KILLERBS24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 938	This is about the 20th story I've heard as to why they weren't running no huddle, enough with the excuses. If he was concussed how did he throw the TD with 2 minutes left. I've seen enough of the stupid Philly fans on ESPN, they are a bunch of whiners. All kinds of reasons as to what happened except for the correct one, they weren't the better team! New England played their worst game of the playoffs and won relatively comfortably despite the final score. __________________ Asterisked legacy: Barry Bonds, the greatest steroid user ever

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rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Certainly didn't look like he had a concussion. No stumbling around, no lying on the field after the play. Even with a minor concussion you just dont pop back up. I don't buy it. Looks like the scapegoat for Mcnabb and the coaching staff about botching the time managment.

02-08-2005, 05:36 PM	#9
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,647	I didnt hear it was a concussion. I heard he was sick. They said someone else had to call one of the plays. If so thenthe other offensive players should have said something to the coaching staff. But i tend to agree its more or less making an excuse. I wouldnt say it was one player either. The whole team was dragging the last few minutes. Being tired isnt a good excuse either. They have backup players if they needed a rest. But i would have to blame the coaching staff the most. The announcers saw the poor clock management by the Eagle offense, we as fans saw it, so i dont know how Andy Reid missed it.

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Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	You can win graciously and you can lose graciously. Coming up with excuses as to why they did one thing instead of another isn't losing graciously.

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Vezna31 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Wherever My VPN says Posts: 1,989	Playing with a concussion is a believable thing although I don't think that was the case here. Troy Aikman sustained a concussion in one of his Superbowls and doesn't remember the entire second half and he threw TD passes.

02-08-2005, 06:39 PM	#15
asamford Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Snellville, Georgia Posts: 1,769	The reasons I heard was that if they went into hurry-up, T.O. would have had to come off the field because he didn't have the stamina or conditioning after not playing for 6 weeks, so they kept huddling up to give TO a breather to be able to keep him on the field figuring they had a better chance of a big play TD with him on the field rather than without him.

02-08-2005, 07:02 PM	#20
asamford Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Snellville, Georgia Posts: 1,769	I think a bigger mistake than the late game clock management (which was ugly, i was dumbfounded while watching), was the decision to go for the onside kick. With 1:50 remaining and two timeouts, you have to trust that a - your defense can stop the Pats in 3 and out and that b - the Pats would be conservative. If they kick the ball deep, not only do you allow the chance for a fumble on the return, if you go down, stop them on 3 and out, they punt and you get the ball back on your own 40 or so... with 45 seconds to go, there's plenty of time for a couple of 15-20 yard sideline passes to give Akers a shot at 3.