Feedback on making this idea better...

knuckler · 01-16-2005, 02:39 AM

A buddy and I came up with an idea for a league, but you guys always have great ideas and feedback, so I wanted to post to get ideas on how to improve it.

The idea is that a person picks a franchise, say the Giants. Then you would pick 25 players from your franchise to build a team. You would pick a specific year for that player to import. You would get the player and the ratings that he imported with, but also his age. Other teams could use that player as well, but you would have to import him in a year he played for your team. Once that player's career is over, you can't use him again on your franchise. Doesn't matter if it is career ending injury or just retirement.

So, as an example, if you picked the Giants. You could import Barry Bonds from one of his Giants' years. If you picked 2001, you'd get a great player, but one that was likely not to be around for too long for your team.

The Pirates' owner could also import Barry and use him, but his initial import would have to be from his Pirate years. He wouldn't lose him until his career was over.

At the end of each year, instead of having a draft, you'd be allowed a maximum of say five imports, or the total amount of players you lost in a season.

Financials would most likely be turned off as there wouldn't be much of a need for them.

Does this sound too whacky? Are there ways it could be improved? Thanks in advance for the ideas.

jm47048 · 01-16-2005, 05:40 AM

I think it is a great idea. You might run into some technical difficulties that are not forseen, but the idea is great. You might want to talk to some of the other league commishes to get a handle on what types of editing you might have to do. Remember, when editing text files, whtch out for formatting characters!

Raderick · 01-16-2005, 05:53 AM

You might have 30 stacked teams. Either way, it looks like a great idea. I hope you can build off of it.

ukhotstove · 01-16-2005, 07:05 AM

Sounds like a good idea only drawbacks I could see are every team being stacked so not much need to change your team around every sim,also you'd get alot of repeat names an example being A Rod would be in the game 3 times.if it helps, a league that I'm in kinda did the same thing but we used real rosters at the start of the league and this season we could draft two players from history from any year mine being Ripken and Flanagan but we could only draft them from their prospect years and the second round none of his ratings could be above 80. An idea what you could go with is say rounds 1-3 you can draft 5* rounds 4-6 none can be over 4* and so on or something to that ilk.

DougWyatt · 01-16-2005, 08:30 AM

I think this is an exciting & excellent idea, but I'd say to lose the duplicate player bit. Possibly, to be elgible for a team, that team had to be where he spent the most years (add a tie breaker).

Also, I don't think I'd use any more than the teams that were around pre '70s expansion. You may miss out on couple guys; but frankly I don't think the expansion teams would be able to compete, and certainly not for long. Even the 20+ yr. old Expos and Mariners would have trouble fielding competitive teams in this league. Obviously you could allow players on these teams into the league if they played for another team, just the team with #2 seniority would get dibs. Another option may be, put in 2 teams that would blanket all the expansion teams; ie. 1 team SEA, FLA, COL; and MON, ARI, TB the other.

Not sure how you could accomplish this one, but you may want to put in some type of restriction on stacking for league longetiviy sake. Possibly, x amount of hall of famers per initial & draft, or even some type of statiscal ceiling (ie. only x amount of players with XXX at bats or IP per draft). I think this would give owners a little extra to look forward to in upcoming years, and would also be very helpful for recruiting for new GMs when one has to quit; as all the teams players wouldn't be used up. Another option would be to let a player back in the league after x amount of retired years.

Food for thought. In my experience, imported draftees (even in their rookie year) come close to being ready to rock and roll and this practically eliminates the minor league systems. My biggest beef with imports though are fielding. I don't think they are ever close; ie. the last time I ran a league (solo-1982) Ozzie Smith had a 2 (of 20) in range. I had to literally go through each team, each player making adjustments as I saw fit.

I think you have a real good base for a league, and your options are really endless. Good luck & keep us posted !

knuckler · 01-16-2005, 01:53 PM

I agree about the teams needing most likely to be the 16 original franchises. I wanted to kind of keep the league small at first, 8-16 teams, so that's probably the way to go. The teams that have only been around for 10,20,30 years would be handicapped severely sooner or later.

Thanks for the feedback guys. There are some really helpful ideas here.

TheBishop · 01-16-2005, 05:22 PM

You could make it so each player drafts a few players from each era, thus spreading around the players so you don't/can't eat up too many from the team's best eras. It would also add a cool array of players from all over baseball history playing along side each other. Maybe like 5 from the 20's, 30's, 40's etc. or maybe even just 3.........

You could also try and keep it to different eras after the initial draft, designate a specific decade that each team can draft from for that year.

I like the idea of keeping a cap on HOFers, not letting anyone draft them all the first time to keep the league viable for a longer time. I mean, the idea of having a team with Ott, Bonds, Mays, Cepeda and McCovey is sweet, but after they're all gone, you're going to have a harder and harder time filling in the rosters (of course, there are still plenty of great players past those 5 for the Giants, just fewer HOFers to pick from later on).

Aussie Mark · 01-16-2005, 05:51 PM

From memory, that's exactly how Martin King's league started (picking the player and year)

blueturf · 01-16-2005, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Aussie Mark

From memory, that's exactly how Martin King's league started (picking the player and year)

Yes you should check out the All Century League as this was how that league started. The league started with 24 teams and there was a tiebreaker in place to prevent duplicate players. You should be able to check out the Catobase for the league to get an idea of what the original rosters look like. www.vacant.cc/acl

To help some of the MLB expansion teams, only players from 1940 forward were allowwed for the initial season. This diluted the talent some and left a talent pool for future drafts. New season drafts were based on available players from 2 or more seasons (1901 & 1992)

01-16-2005, 02:39 AM	#1
knuckler Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,347	Feedback on making this idea better... A buddy and I came up with an idea for a league, but you guys always have great ideas and feedback, so I wanted to post to get ideas on how to improve it. The idea is that a person picks a franchise, say the Giants. Then you would pick 25 players from your franchise to build a team. You would pick a specific year for that player to import. You would get the player and the ratings that he imported with, but also his age. Other teams could use that player as well, but you would have to import him in a year he played for your team. Once that player's career is over, you can't use him again on your franchise. Doesn't matter if it is career ending injury or just retirement. So, as an example, if you picked the Giants. You could import Barry Bonds from one of his Giants' years. If you picked 2001, you'd get a great player, but one that was likely not to be around for too long for your team. The Pirates' owner could also import Barry and use him, but his initial import would have to be from his Pirate years. He wouldn't lose him until his career was over. At the end of each year, instead of having a draft, you'd be allowed a maximum of say five imports, or the total amount of players you lost in a season. Financials would most likely be turned off as there wouldn't be much of a need for them. Does this sound too whacky? Are there ways it could be improved? Thanks in advance for the ideas.

01-16-2005, 05:53 AM	#3
Raderick Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,737	You might have 30 stacked teams. Either way, it looks like a great idea. I hope you can build off of it. __________________

01-16-2005, 07:05 AM	#4
ukhotstove Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North of England Gods Country Posts: 7,175	Sounds like a good idea only drawbacks I could see are every team being stacked so not much need to change your team around every sim,also you'd get alot of repeat names an example being A Rod would be in the game 3 times.if it helps, a league that I'm in kinda did the same thing but we used real rosters at the start of the league and this season we could draft two players from history from any year mine being Ripken and Flanagan but we could only draft them from their prospect years and the second round none of his ratings could be above 80. An idea what you could go with is say rounds 1-3 you can draft 5* rounds 4-6 none can be over 4* and so on or something to that ilk. __________________ Detroit Diesel Dynasty San Antonio Calzones of Laredo Dynasty

01-16-2005, 01:53 PM	#6
knuckler Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,347	I agree about the teams needing most likely to be the 16 original franchises. I wanted to kind of keep the league small at first, 8-16 teams, so that's probably the way to go. The teams that have only been around for 10,20,30 years would be handicapped severely sooner or later. Thanks for the feedback guys. There are some really helpful ideas here. Last edited by knuckler; 01-16-2005 at 01:54 PM.

01-16-2005, 05:22 PM	#7
TheBishop Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 165	You could make it so each player drafts a few players from each era, thus spreading around the players so you don't/can't eat up too many from the team's best eras. It would also add a cool array of players from all over baseball history playing along side each other. Maybe like 5 from the 20's, 30's, 40's etc. or maybe even just 3......... You could also try and keep it to different eras after the initial draft, designate a specific decade that each team can draft from for that year. I like the idea of keeping a cap on HOFers, not letting anyone draft them all the first time to keep the league viable for a longer time. I mean, the idea of having a team with Ott, Bonds, Mays, Cepeda and McCovey is sweet, but after they're all gone, you're going to have a harder and harder time filling in the rosters (of course, there are still plenty of great players past those 5 for the Giants, just fewer HOFers to pick from later on). __________________ Pappy's Baseball Union thread at BBSC Pappy's Baseball Union home page

01-16-2005, 05:40 AM	#2
jm47048 All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,247	I think it is a great idea. You might run into some technical difficulties that are not forseen, but the idea is great. You might want to talk to some of the other league commishes to get a handle on what types of editing you might have to do. Remember, when editing text files, whtch out for formatting characters! __________________ The New York Yankees World Series Champions 1923, 1927, 1928, 1932, 1936, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1941, 1943, 1947, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1956, 1958, 1961, 1962, 1977, 1978, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2009 American League Champions 1921, 1922, 1923, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1932, 1936, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1941, 1942, 1943, 1947, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1981, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2009, 2024

01-16-2005, 08:30 AM	#5
DougWyatt All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,117	I think this is an exciting & excellent idea, but I'd say to lose the duplicate player bit. Possibly, to be elgible for a team, that team had to be where he spent the most years (add a tie breaker). Also, I don't think I'd use any more than the teams that were around pre '70s expansion. You may miss out on couple guys; but frankly I don't think the expansion teams would be able to compete, and certainly not for long. Even the 20+ yr. old Expos and Mariners would have trouble fielding competitive teams in this league. Obviously you could allow players on these teams into the league if they played for another team, just the team with #2 seniority would get dibs. Another option may be, put in 2 teams that would blanket all the expansion teams; ie. 1 team SEA, FLA, COL; and MON, ARI, TB the other. Not sure how you could accomplish this one, but you may want to put in some type of restriction on stacking for league longetiviy sake. Possibly, x amount of hall of famers per initial & draft, or even some type of statiscal ceiling (ie. only x amount of players with XXX at bats or IP per draft). I think this would give owners a little extra to look forward to in upcoming years, and would also be very helpful for recruiting for new GMs when one has to quit; as all the teams players wouldn't be used up. Another option would be to let a player back in the league after x amount of retired years. Food for thought. In my experience, imported draftees (even in their rookie year) come close to being ready to rock and roll and this practically eliminates the minor league systems. My biggest beef with imports though are fielding. I don't think they are ever close; ie. the last time I ran a league (solo-1982) Ozzie Smith had a 2 (of 20) in range. I had to literally go through each team, each player making adjustments as I saw fit. I think you have a real good base for a league, and your options are really endless. Good luck & keep us posted !

01-16-2005, 05:51 PM	#8
Aussie Mark Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Downunder Posts: 489	From memory, that's exactly how Martin King's league started (picking the player and year) __________________ Cheers Mark