Keep picking on my bears... just wait till next year

bigphesta · 11-29-2004, 10:28 PM

Yep, now people are making fun of our Bears cause we had to go out and get Jeff George to help with our QB Woes, and then ESPN won't shut up that we've had 18 QB's during Farve's "magical streak". Well, just wait till next year. We'll have a pro backup plus Sexy Rexy back.

Dargone · 11-29-2004, 10:30 PM

I think the bears will be tough next year...

benchwarmer · 11-29-2004, 10:36 PM

hell, who can bet against an team wih Jeff George snapping the ball?

I think the Bears need to deal Brian Urlacher for some offense. They're defense is not great, but gets the job done more times then not, and Urlacher is oh so very prone to injury... I'm sure most bears fans disagree, but i think it would be benfitial, especially with the good Line Backers coming out in the draft this season, and the following...

bigphesta · 11-29-2004, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by benchwarmer

hell, who can bet against an team wih Jeff George snapping the ball?

I think the Bears need to deal Brian Urlacher for some offense. They're defense is not great, but gets the job done more times then not, and Urlacher is oh so very prone to injury... I'm sure most bears fans disagree, but i think it would be benfitial, especially with the good Line Backers coming out in the draft this season, and the following...

Prone to injury? He was hurt THIS season. That's ''prone"? We'll get our QB back next season and we need a playmaker WR and we'll be fine. Grossman is it. He's got all the tools and was throwing like a vet before tearing his ACL. The mistake Lovie made was going with a 6 yr 'vet' who had played in 6 games in 6 years and a rookie for backups. We can't do that!

A WR with our #1 (or go get a FA WR) and our team will win the Norris next season.

benchwarmer · 11-29-2004, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bigphesta

Prone to injury? He was hurt THIS season. That's ''prone"? We'll get our QB back next season and we need a playmaker WR and we'll be fine. Grossman is it. He's got all the tools and was throwing like a vet before tearing his ACL. The mistake Lovie made was going with a 6 yr 'vet' who had played in 6 games in 6 years and a rookie for backups. We can't do that!

A WR with our #1 (or go get a FA WR) and our team will win the Norris next season.

My mistake, i thought he was hurt a few years back for 5 or 6 games. But i looked and he wasn't. I agree that a WR in the draft would be ideal. Do you see any in this draft coming up that would fit in well with Chicago? I think the Bears will end up with 7-8 wins, so i think the pick will be early teens...

phenom · 11-30-2004, 07:38 AM

Is that the Chicago motto? "Wait till next year!"

Sucks to be a Lions fan, but it must really suck to be a fan of Chicago sports teams. When's the last time any Chicago team won a title? The Bulls in the 90s? Now they're horrible. Yikes.

Astros02 · 11-30-2004, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by phenom

Is that the Chicago motto? "Wait till next year!"

Sucks to be a Lions fan, but it must really suck to be a fan of Chicago sports teams. When's the last time any Chicago team won a title? The Bulls in the 90s? Now they're horrible. Yikes.

6 years without a sports title is a long time for a city? Houston's only major sports titles were the Rockets in '94 and '95.

Slackker · 11-30-2004, 08:43 AM

I'm not sure about Chicago, but it used to be the Red Sox motto. Maybe the Cubs, too!

As for the Bears.. they've definitely got some holes they need to take care of if they wanna have a shot next season. We've seen what the Bears can do with their defense, and it's not bad. About average, in my opinion. Now what everyone knows they need is offense. They've already been outgained by a thousand yards this season. I won't touch on fullback, since several offenses run just fine with that position pretty much phased out of their game.

QB - Grossman - I'm not sold on Rex, but he's still young and deserves a chance with some actual weapons. He definitely has a bigger upside than Quinn and a still-aging Jeff George. Krynzel is an option I wouldn't mind seeing if Rex can't get the job done. I'm expecting the Bears QB situation to turn into somewhat of a Feely/Fielder fiasco, where both wind up biting.. hard. Grossman's 67.9 QB Rating is far from inspiring, but higher than anyone else they've thrown in there.

HB - Thomas Jones is the obvious choice here, and I don't see any reason for the Bears to even consider anything else in this spot. Really, he's been one of the only offensive bright spots for the Bears lately.

TE - Being a Broncos fan I got to see quite a bit of Desmond Clark. This is a position you definitely want to look at upgrading. His blocking is hit or miss, and he tends to slack off when blocking on the back side of running plays. Even if he was twice as good.. he'd still be just slightly above average, and there would be no room, if I was running the team, for a so-so guy who gets lazy. The Colts have three decent tight ends, and I think the Bears would be well served to try and snag one cheap. The other option, obviously, is trying to pick someone up in the middle rounds of the draft.

WR - The biggest weakness on the team. Glaring. If you want your quarterbacks to be good you really need to give them wide receivers to throw to. Bobby Wade is a decent slot receiver, but nothing more from what I've seen. Bernard Berrian needs a chance to prove himself, so the Bears can figure out exactly what they have with him. Justin Gage was a "sleeper" for a lot of fantasy owners, and he's still sleeping. I'm not sure if he's had injury problems or what, but if not.. play the kid more! They need a go-to-guy, badly. This should be their choice with their first rounder this spring.

Offensive Line - The only guy I trust on the whole O-Line is Olin Kreutz. Tait and Mitchell have started every game this year, too, so I'll trust that the Bears see something in them. That leaves the two guard positions. Honestly, without watching many Bears games, I can't assess them too well.. but if teams are getting a boatload of inside penetration that needs to be fixed. At least you can run inside against an outside rush, but if teams come up the middle that puts your quarterback and running game in serious danger. Early hits result in more fumbles, too.

So there's my evaluation of the Bears offense. Leave the defense alone, they've proved they're at least good enough. I know someone said they see the Bears winning 7-8 games, but I think that's overestimating a bit. If they won 8 games this year they'd have a playoff shot! They're 4-7 right now, with games remaining: Minnesota, @Jacksonville, Houston, @Detroit, Green Bay. Optimism gives them two wins out of that bunch, likely just one. At 5-11 the Bears would get them somewhere between pick 5 and pick 9 in the draft. There's a huge clutter at 4-7 in the league right now. Honestly, 4-12 is about the best thing you can hope for the Bears. That should net them a #3 or #4 pick.

phenom · 11-30-2004, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Astros02

6 years without a sports title is a long time for a city? Houston's only major sports titles were the Rockets in '94 and '95.

that would suck too.

However, Chicago's got five pro sports teams, and Houston has three, one of which is only three years old. I guess that sucks in itself.

canadiancreed · 11-30-2004, 10:38 AM

better than LA, when were they, like 1988?

and yes the Bears shall rise again

although a decent QB woudl be nice....then again guys like Stewart(name?) that was kicked out of Pittsburgh was suposed to be that

phenom · 11-30-2004, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by canadiancreed

better than LA, when were they, like 1988?

maybe, other than those six Laker titles.

Gastric ReFlux · 11-30-2004, 11:27 AM

Jeff George is back! I heard this last night and couldn't stop laughing.

thevat · 11-30-2004, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by phenom

maybe, other than those six Laker titles.

Yeah, but who care's about basketball!!

I can't think of anywhere that being a sports fan is bad, I even thought being a New England sports fan was great a few years back before the Pats & Sox won anything. Because we were always in the mix.

I've always liked the Bears, and hope they can get back to the top. I'm sick of Green Bay winning that damn division. It would be great to see Chicago & Detroit fighting for the top spot. I agree that Thomas Jones is a good RB, but I have doubts about Grossman too. Getting a game breaker at WR this offseason would be a great move. A good draft could put them over the top. Trading Urlacher might not be a bad idea either. Sometimes moving your star player pays off; see Ken Griffey Jr, Nomar Garciaparra, etc.

abailey3313 · 11-30-2004, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by thevat

Yeah, but who care's about basketball!!

I can't think of anywhere that being a sports fan is bad, I even thought being a New England sports fan was great a few years back before the Pats & Sox won anything. Because we were always in the mix.

I've always liked the Bears, and hope they can get back to the top. I'm sick of Green Bay winning that damn division. It would be great to see Chicago & Detroit fighting for the top spot. I agree that Thomas Jones is a good RB, but I have doubts about Grossman too. Getting a game breaker at WR this offseason would be a great move. A good draft could put them over the top. Trading Urlacher might not be a bad idea either. Sometimes moving your star player pays off; see Ken Griffey Jr, Nomar Garciaparra, etc.

I may be wrong, so hold the gunfire, but is Brian Urlacher a bit overrated? I don't have any statistics in front of me, but I can't remember him doing anything special since that 13-3 season (2000?) a few years ago.

JDOldSchool · 11-30-2004, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Slackker

HB - Thomas Jones is the obvious choice here, and I don't see any reason for the Bears to even consider anything else in this spot. Really, he's been one of the only offensive bright spots for the Bears lately.

DEAD wrong. Thomas Jones SUCKS. He's horrible. The Bears are 1-7 in games in which Jones got the bulk of the carries. They are 3-0 in games in which Anthony Thomas got most of the carries.

Thomas has 2 1,000 yard seasons in 3 years (one of those with the worst offensive line I have ever seen). Thomas has a low YPC average this year, but that average hardly says much about a running back (look at Eddie George - potential HOFer and only 2 seasons with an average of more than 4 yards per carry).

Thomas Jones was the reason the Bears lost to Dallas on Thanksgiving - a good running back (like A-Train) would have taken pressure of Quinn and would certainly have rushed for more than 46 yards.

JDOldSchool · 11-30-2004, 07:50 PM

I think people here are underrating the Bears defense.

I don't think there's another team in football as deep as the Bears in the secondary (especially at cornerback). Charles Tillman will be a pro bowl corner in the future. Nathan Vasher is a rookie playmaker. Jerry Azumah has developed into an excellent corner and RW McQuarters provides a solid veteran presence.

Up front, the Bears have Adewale Ogunleye and Alex Brown on the ends -Ogunleye has proven himself and Brown is quickly becoming dominant. In the middle they have Tommie Harris (along with Ian Scott and Terry Johnson, both decent).

Linebackers Urlacher, Briggs, and Hillenmyer are more than capable of holding their own.

It's hard to judge a defense based on yards (and sometimes even points) allowed. A good example is the Thanksgiving game against Dallas. The Cowboys' mediocre offense had the ball for 11 minutes more than the Bears. When the defense is on the field all game, they're bound to give up more yards. By the end of the game they are gassed and the offense can score points.

If the Bears had a decent QB (which they now have....about 2 months too late), they'd have a better shot at the playoffs. As it stands, they're only 1 game out.

bigphesta · 12-01-2004, 03:49 PM

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DEAD wrong. Thomas Jones SUCKS. He's horrible. The Bears are 1-7 in games in which Jones got the bulk of the carries. They are 3-0 in games in which Anthony Thomas got most of the carries.

Thomas has 2 1,000 yard seasons in 3 years (one of those with the worst offensive line I have ever seen). Thomas has a low YPC average this year, but that average hardly says much about a running back (look at Eddie George - potential HOFer and only 2 seasons with an average of more than 4 yards per carry).

Thomas Jones was the reason the Bears lost to Dallas on Thanksgiving - a good running back (like A-Train) would have taken pressure of Quinn and would certainly have rushed for more than 46 yards.

I was about to make this exact point. ATrain is the man. Thomas Jones is good, but Anthony Thomas is better. Nuff Said. He had two 1000 yard seasons (including 1000 yds in 13 games last season) and barely missed 1000 yards his second season as he only played 11 games.

ihatenames · 12-01-2004, 07:39 PM

The good thing about thomas jones as apposed to the a-train, is that he's a good reciever too. PLus he has the ability to break big plays. The problem with judging jones is that the bears have had little to no passing. If the other team knows you're going to run you're not going to get very far. Plus the offensive line minus Kruetz is terrible.

Grossman was looking really good before he got hurt. I think he'll end up being a fine quarterback. The bears desperately need at least one WR. Especially a speed reciever. The WRs on this team are slow with the exception of Berrian. Who should be given more of shot. The bears can't pass the ball and the other teams no it. All you have to do to stop the bears is play the run and the screen.

ihatenames · 12-01-2004, 08:01 PM

a dola,

I just thought i'd point out...thomas jones averages 4.1 yards per carry, and the a-train is 3.2. Yards per carry may be overrated, but jones seems to be the better back at this point based on all his numbers and his impact in the passing game. He also has the most receptions on the team. Without jones the bears would really be in a mess offensively.

JDOldSchool · 12-01-2004, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ihatenames

The good thing about thomas jones as apposed to the a-train, is that he's a good reciever too. PLus he has the ability to break big plays. The problem with judging jones is that the bears have had little to no passing. If the other team knows you're going to run you're not going to get very far. Plus the offensive line minus Kruetz is terrible.

Wrong about Thomas being a bad receiver. Have you watched any games this year? I don't think he's dropped a pass all season. Just because the old regime didn't pass him the ball does not mean he can't catch passes. For having such an amazing ability to break big plays, how come A-Train has just as many big plays? Anthony Thomas sure seems to do alright running when everybody knows about it.

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Originally Posted by ihatenames

I just thought i'd point out...thomas jones averages 4.1 yards per carry, and the a-train is 3.2. Yards per carry may be overrated, but jones seems to be the better back at this point based on all his numbers and his impact in the passing game. He also has the most receptions on the team. Without jones the bears would really be in a mess offensively.

Anthony Thomas doesn't play ever. If he was used in the passing game the way Jones is, he'd have just as much impact (probably more since he can run over people in the open field). If Anthony Thomas was the starter, they'd have more than 5 wins.

11-29-2004, 10:30 PM	#2
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ihatenames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rockford Posts: 2,534	The good thing about thomas jones as apposed to the a-train, is that he's a good reciever too. PLus he has the ability to break big plays. The problem with judging jones is that the bears have had little to no passing. If the other team knows you're going to run you're not going to get very far. Plus the offensive line minus Kruetz is terrible. Grossman was looking really good before he got hurt. I think he'll end up being a fine quarterback. The bears desperately need at least one WR. Especially a speed reciever. The WRs on this team are slow with the exception of Berrian. Who should be given more of shot. The bears can't pass the ball and the other teams no it. All you have to do to stop the bears is play the run and the screen. __________________ New Album coming soon!

12-01-2004, 08:01 PM	#19
ihatenames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rockford Posts: 2,534	a dola, I just thought i'd point out...thomas jones averages 4.1 yards per carry, and the a-train is 3.2. Yards per carry may be overrated, but jones seems to be the better back at this point based on all his numbers and his impact in the passing game. He also has the most receptions on the team. Without jones the bears would really be in a mess offensively. __________________ New Album coming soon!

11-29-2004, 10:28 PM	#1
bigphesta Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 1,366	Keep picking on my bears... just wait till next year Yep, now people are making fun of our Bears cause we had to go out and get Jeff George to help with our QB Woes, and then ESPN won't shut up that we've had 18 QB's during Farve's "magical streak". Well, just wait till next year. We'll have a pro backup plus Sexy Rexy back.

11-29-2004, 10:36 PM	#3
benchwarmer Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 1,461	hell, who can bet against an team wih Jeff George snapping the ball? I think the Bears need to deal Brian Urlacher for some offense. They're defense is not great, but gets the job done more times then not, and Urlacher is oh so very prone to injury... I'm sure most bears fans disagree, but i think it would be benfitial, especially with the good Line Backers coming out in the draft this season, and the following...

11-30-2004, 08:43 AM	#8
Slackker All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 777	I'm not sure about Chicago, but it used to be the Red Sox motto. Maybe the Cubs, too! As for the Bears.. they've definitely got some holes they need to take care of if they wanna have a shot next season. We've seen what the Bears can do with their defense, and it's not bad. About average, in my opinion. Now what everyone knows they need is offense. They've already been outgained by a thousand yards this season. I won't touch on fullback, since several offenses run just fine with that position pretty much phased out of their game. QB - Grossman - I'm not sold on Rex, but he's still young and deserves a chance with some actual weapons. He definitely has a bigger upside than Quinn and a still-aging Jeff George. Krynzel is an option I wouldn't mind seeing if Rex can't get the job done. I'm expecting the Bears QB situation to turn into somewhat of a Feely/Fielder fiasco, where both wind up biting.. hard. Grossman's 67.9 QB Rating is far from inspiring, but higher than anyone else they've thrown in there. HB - Thomas Jones is the obvious choice here, and I don't see any reason for the Bears to even consider anything else in this spot. Really, he's been one of the only offensive bright spots for the Bears lately. TE - Being a Broncos fan I got to see quite a bit of Desmond Clark. This is a position you definitely want to look at upgrading. His blocking is hit or miss, and he tends to slack off when blocking on the back side of running plays. Even if he was twice as good.. he'd still be just slightly above average, and there would be no room, if I was running the team, for a so-so guy who gets lazy. The Colts have three decent tight ends, and I think the Bears would be well served to try and snag one cheap. The other option, obviously, is trying to pick someone up in the middle rounds of the draft. WR - The biggest weakness on the team. Glaring. If you want your quarterbacks to be good you really need to give them wide receivers to throw to. Bobby Wade is a decent slot receiver, but nothing more from what I've seen. Bernard Berrian needs a chance to prove himself, so the Bears can figure out exactly what they have with him. Justin Gage was a "sleeper" for a lot of fantasy owners, and he's still sleeping. I'm not sure if he's had injury problems or what, but if not.. play the kid more! They need a go-to-guy, badly. This should be their choice with their first rounder this spring. Offensive Line - The only guy I trust on the whole O-Line is Olin Kreutz. Tait and Mitchell have started every game this year, too, so I'll trust that the Bears see something in them. That leaves the two guard positions. Honestly, without watching many Bears games, I can't assess them too well.. but if teams are getting a boatload of inside penetration that needs to be fixed. At least you can run inside against an outside rush, but if teams come up the middle that puts your quarterback and running game in serious danger. Early hits result in more fumbles, too. So there's my evaluation of the Bears offense. Leave the defense alone, they've proved they're at least good enough. I know someone said they see the Bears winning 7-8 games, but I think that's overestimating a bit. If they won 8 games this year they'd have a playoff shot! They're 4-7 right now, with games remaining: Minnesota, @Jacksonville, Houston, @Detroit, Green Bay. Optimism gives them two wins out of that bunch, likely just one. At 5-11 the Bears would get them somewhere between pick 5 and pick 9 in the draft. There's a huge clutter at 4-7 in the league right now. Honestly, 4-12 is about the best thing you can hope for the Bears. That should net them a #3 or #4 pick.

11-30-2004, 11:27 AM	#12
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	Jeff George is back! I heard this last night and couldn't stop laughing.

11-30-2004, 07:50 PM	#16
JDOldSchool Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,023	I think people here are underrating the Bears defense. I don't think there's another team in football as deep as the Bears in the secondary (especially at cornerback). Charles Tillman will be a pro bowl corner in the future. Nathan Vasher is a rookie playmaker. Jerry Azumah has developed into an excellent corner and RW McQuarters provides a solid veteran presence. Up front, the Bears have Adewale Ogunleye and Alex Brown on the ends -Ogunleye has proven himself and Brown is quickly becoming dominant. In the middle they have Tommie Harris (along with Ian Scott and Terry Johnson, both decent). Linebackers Urlacher, Briggs, and Hillenmyer are more than capable of holding their own. It's hard to judge a defense based on yards (and sometimes even points) allowed. A good example is the Thanksgiving game against Dallas. The Cowboys' mediocre offense had the ball for 11 minutes more than the Bears. When the defense is on the field all game, they're bound to give up more yards. By the end of the game they are gassed and the offense can score points. If the Bears had a decent QB (which they now have....about 2 months too late), they'd have a better shot at the playoffs. As it stands, they're only 1 game out.