University Baseball anyone?

canadiancreed · 11-21-2004, 06:08 PM

Hey all

I've been scanning around the forums here and I have yet to see anyone come up with a league of tams for universities. So i've decided to look into starting up a league with teams based on the universities in Canada, since there's a lot less of them the US and no big names would be left out.

So I'm posting here to see if anyone woudl be intrested in joining such a league. I'm also looking into using an ancestor model much like TWB (what can I say, I like how they did theirs), using Catobase, and starting in the 1920 or so.

So if you like/hate/dont get the idea, give a shout with a post on this thread.

And1pg2 · 11-21-2004, 06:26 PM

I don't understand. What are you doing?

canadiancreed · 11-21-2004, 06:41 PM

seeing if there woudl be any intrest in starting up a league with Canadian universities as the team basis....kidna like college football, onyl for baseball.

mlyons · 11-21-2004, 07:32 PM

Would you lose players to graduation after four or five seasons? That would be an interesting challenge. How would you tweak player development to get it to work right?

canadiancreed · 11-21-2004, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

Would you lose players to graduation after four or five seasons? That would be an interesting challenge. How would you tweak player development to get it to work right?

yes it would make things intresting for sure. woudlnt need any minors. no blue stars.....and pretty much you're peeked on your rating as soon as you hit the "majors".

Also some students stay for their BA, less for their MA, and a ahndful for their Phd, so hwo that woudl work is a hard one

Espeizer · 11-21-2004, 09:49 PM

does it have to be only canadian universities?

canadiancreed · 11-21-2004, 10:07 PM

Well with Canadian unis, it goes like this

Atlantic = 11
Quebec = 9
Ontario = 18
Western = 12

even with that setup its' going to be much mroe than will fit in OOTP

the US to my recolection there's like 107 Division I teams (i'm going by football listings) so hence way too many to do in OOTP...

with the Canadian ones I can probably get rid of a few new unis that have sprung up in the last 10 years or so. The US would be compeltely impossible.

mlyons · 11-21-2004, 11:26 PM

Well, consider me interested if you can get the details worked out. I'm intrigued.

canadiancreed · 11-21-2004, 11:42 PM

will do.

the hard part will be to get players to retire after five years or so. I wonder if there's a way to force that

Jeremy Weimer · 11-21-2004, 11:42 PM

There was a US college baseball league not too long ago. It didn't last very long because everyone lost interest pretty much right away.

canadiancreed · 11-21-2004, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Weimer

There was a US college baseball league not too long ago. It didn't last very long because everyone lost interest pretty much right away.

eck wonder if it's the format, or jsut a slew of disintrssted GM's, or none of the above

oh well.

For this i'm going to see if I can get permission from the commish of TWB to see if I cna use his ancestor file, hopeuflly it'll put some intrest in the league. Havent really decided if I'm going to go down that route though.

And if I cant get any GM's intrested, I'll jsut do a dynasty, either way, it'll be going up. Gotta run with a first of its' kind :d

sunnydoo · 11-22-2004, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by canadiancreed

I'm also looking into using an ancestor model much like TWB (what can I say, I like how they did theirs), suing Catobase, and starting in the 1920 or so.

What did Cato ever do to you to deserve this, one wonders?

Jeremy Weimer · 11-22-2004, 05:20 AM

Hell yeah, lets sue someone else while we're at it.

dougaiton · 11-22-2004, 05:43 AM

The way to do it, rather than let the game decide, is just grant everyone 4 years of eligibility. They can spend a year in the minors (redshirt) if you so choose, it's easiest just to give them blanket 4. Players dropped off the roster get 'held' in FA in case the team needs them again.

To begin with, the long and arduos task begins with changing everyone's age to the same basic 1/1/190x. The idea is that you have 1/4 aged 19, 1/4 aged 20 etc. The season ends, and those that are going to hit 23, just before the offseason, they are retired with a CEI. With each draft class, make sure you change their birthdays. That way, you can see freshmen to seniors just by looking at their age on the transaction screen.

So what then? Well, you need to muck about with the development factors. Just crank them up to 200, I'd hope, and maybe increase creation factors as well. This will require extensive simming. I've always mucked about with historical players, where they come ML-ready. That is the easiest. Worst comes to the worst, and you want to use fictional, change the real draftees names

Hope this is some help. It's kind of whet my appetite to try again!

ihatenames · 11-22-2004, 06:02 AM

Its a decent idea, but i don't know if it'll get enough interest especially with canadian schools. Good luck with it though. I hope Carleton U is listed

canadiancreed · 11-22-2004, 08:57 AM

thanks for the info folks, i'll let you know if I can get it to SIM correctly and go from there, should be an intresting project to get ready before I can take this live

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Originally Posted by ihatenames

Its a decent idea, but i don't know if it'll get enough interest especially with canadian schools. Good luck with it though. I hope Carleton U is listed

Ya I'm guessing it probably wont be that popular. I mean if the american version ploped, imagine how much less the canadain one will do.

but then again there's a few folks ehre from the great white north, you never know

as for your question yes the Carleton Ravens (I just found out thats' the team name last night) will be in it. I had to chop some of the schools off and I tried to do it evenly. I'll post how i'm organizing it, and go from there.

canadiancreed · 11-22-2004, 08:59 AM

another though will be trading of players. Unlike in MLB or another league. Uni folks dont usually transfer from one school to another too often if I recall correctly

Jynx · 11-22-2004, 10:35 PM

why dont you just let people pick the Uni they want to represent, and just work with those Uni's instead of all Canadian teams. You'd get alot more attention this way. I like the idea though. If you ever get it working, ill definately consider joining

canadiancreed · 12-15-2004, 10:50 AM

Well right now i'd like to have all the teams filled, which with 40 teams will probably be impossible to do. (Unless I got a rash of PM intrest)

As of right now im jsut goign to run it as a dynasty. Seems to be going well other than not being able to run a draft (thing dies badly when yuo try), so I'll just manually add players to teams.

If anyone is bored check out the links below it shows what's going on so far in the league

cheddah · 12-15-2004, 05:40 PM

I'm just glad to see that Western sucks.

11-21-2004, 06:08 PM	#1
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	University Baseball anyone? Hey all I've been scanning around the forums here and I have yet to see anyone come up with a league of tams for universities. So i've decided to look into starting up a league with teams based on the universities in Canada, since there's a lot less of them the US and no big names would be left out. So I'm posting here to see if anyone woudl be intrested in joining such a league. I'm also looking into using an ancestor model much like TWB (what can I say, I like how they did theirs), using Catobase, and starting in the 1920 or so. So if you like/hate/dont get the idea, give a shout with a post on this thread. __________________ PT21 PT22 Last edited by canadiancreed; 11-22-2004 at 08:53 AM.

11-21-2004, 06:41 PM	#3
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	seeing if there woudl be any intrest in starting up a league with Canadian universities as the team basis....kidna like college football, onyl for baseball. __________________ PT21 PT22

11-21-2004, 07:32 PM	#4
mlyons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,725	Would you lose players to graduation after four or five seasons? That would be an interesting challenge. How would you tweak player development to get it to work right? __________________ Things can always be worse.

11-21-2004, 09:49 PM	#6
Espeizer Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 100	does it have to be only canadian universities? __________________

11-21-2004, 10:07 PM	#7
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	Well with Canadian unis, it goes like this Atlantic = 11 Quebec = 9 Ontario = 18 Western = 12 even with that setup its' going to be much mroe than will fit in OOTP the US to my recolection there's like 107 Division I teams (i'm going by football listings) so hence way too many to do in OOTP... with the Canadian ones I can probably get rid of a few new unis that have sprung up in the last 10 years or so. The US would be compeltely impossible. __________________ PT21 PT22

11-21-2004, 06:26 PM	#2
And1pg2 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 979	I don't understand. What are you doing?

11-21-2004, 11:26 PM	#8
mlyons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,725	Well, consider me interested if you can get the details worked out. I'm intrigued. __________________ Things can always be worse.

11-21-2004, 11:42 PM	#9
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	will do. the hard part will be to get players to retire after five years or so. I wonder if there's a way to force that __________________ PT21 PT22

11-21-2004, 11:42 PM	#10
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,411	There was a US college baseball league not too long ago. It didn't last very long because everyone lost interest pretty much right away.

11-22-2004, 05:20 AM	#13
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,411	Hell yeah, lets sue someone else while we're at it.

11-22-2004, 05:43 AM	#14
dougaiton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Location: Posts: 3,414	The way to do it, rather than let the game decide, is just grant everyone 4 years of eligibility. They can spend a year in the minors (redshirt) if you so choose, it's easiest just to give them blanket 4. Players dropped off the roster get 'held' in FA in case the team needs them again. To begin with, the long and arduos task begins with changing everyone's age to the same basic 1/1/190x. The idea is that you have 1/4 aged 19, 1/4 aged 20 etc. The season ends, and those that are going to hit 23, just before the offseason, they are retired with a CEI. With each draft class, make sure you change their birthdays. That way, you can see freshmen to seniors just by looking at their age on the transaction screen. So what then? Well, you need to muck about with the development factors. Just crank them up to 200, I'd hope, and maybe increase creation factors as well. This will require extensive simming. I've always mucked about with historical players, where they come ML-ready. That is the easiest. Worst comes to the worst, and you want to use fictional, change the real draftees names Hope this is some help. It's kind of whet my appetite to try again! __________________ tThis shower of clowns My park-adjusted, historically split Born in '69 league file! (also at Joe's wonderful site +BBSC)

11-22-2004, 06:02 AM	#15
ihatenames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rockford Posts: 2,534	Its a decent idea, but i don't know if it'll get enough interest especially with canadian schools. Good luck with it though. I hope Carleton U is listed __________________ New Album coming soon!

11-22-2004, 08:59 AM	#17
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	another though will be trading of players. Unlike in MLB or another league. Uni folks dont usually transfer from one school to another too often if I recall correctly __________________ PT21 PT22

11-22-2004, 10:35 PM	#18
Jynx Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 10	why dont you just let people pick the Uni they want to represent, and just work with those Uni's instead of all Canadian teams. You'd get alot more attention this way. I like the idea though. If you ever get it working, ill definately consider joining

12-15-2004, 10:50 AM	#19
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	Well right now i'd like to have all the teams filled, which with 40 teams will probably be impossible to do. (Unless I got a rash of PM intrest) As of right now im jsut goign to run it as a dynasty. Seems to be going well other than not being able to run a draft (thing dies badly when yuo try), so I'll just manually add players to teams. If anyone is bored check out the links below it shows what's going on so far in the league __________________ PT21 PT22

12-15-2004, 05:40 PM	#20
cheddah Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 73	I'm just glad to see that Western sucks.