Washington Expos Pick Up Castilla / Guzman

TheRockCT · 11-17-2004, 12:52 AM

3B Vinny Castilla signs for $6.2 million over 2 years, and SS Christian Guzman signs for $16.8 million over 4 years.....

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1924347

Skipaway · 11-17-2004, 01:03 AM

Jim Bowden is trying hard to find excuses for the new owner to fire him.

TheRockCT · 11-17-2004, 01:11 AM

Yeah, Guzman I can understand (not for over 4 million per though) when you have Maicer Izturis or Jamey Carroll or some other nobody at SS, but Vinny? At age 37 and outside of Coors Field he'll be back to .250 with 20 homers and 60 RBI's. And that's expensive for those stats and that age.

benchwarmer · 11-17-2004, 01:12 AM

I like signings, just not the money he gave them. Guzman isn't that bad of a player. Castilla...well, cant hurt the team any more, can he?

knuckler · 11-17-2004, 01:30 AM

Guzman is a pathetic offensive player and up until this year was a very mediocre defender. His OBP has hovered right around .300 for three straight years. 4.2 mil for four years for that. Yuck.

attackemu · 11-17-2004, 01:46 AM

Oh, the joy of knowing Vinny Castilla won't be back!

rangers85 · 11-17-2004, 01:47 AM

Wow, I'm trying to figure out since when it takes over 4 mil a year for 4 years to sign a career .685 OPS player like Guzman. 2001 is the only good season Guzman has had out of his 6 years and even then that was his only year with an OPS over .700 posting a .814

dougaiton · 11-17-2004, 05:51 AM

Jim Bowden is BACK, baby!!!!

TheRockCT · 11-17-2004, 08:34 AM

Vinny will bring the fans to Washington in droves!

Luis_Rivera · 11-17-2004, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRockCT

3B Vinny Castilla signs for $6.2 million over 2 years, and SS Christian Guzman signs for $16.8 million over 4 years.....

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1924347

Both these contracts suck. Vinnie for obvious reasons... he's never had great success out of Coors... and Guzman is flat out bad. He's got a noodle bat and hes a very below average defender (despite what ESPN says in their Top 50 free agents section). He's pretty much living off reputation from his very good 2001 season.

abailey3313 · 11-17-2004, 08:47 AM

The money they gave these guys is way too much, but moving to a new city requires you to sign someone, just to show that there's effort being made.

There isn't hardly any buzz (from what I've seen) in Washington over this team, and adding Castilla and Guzman won't likely change that. But at the very least, it's a step in the right direction (not necessarily towards competing, but towards being active, which Montreal typically wasn't).

ctorg · 11-17-2004, 08:50 AM

Now that they're making moves, when are they going to decide on a name already?

Joshv02 · 11-17-2004, 08:52 AM

These are both essentially avg players signed at close to avg money, though Guzman was a little high. I wouldn't do the deal, but they arne't the worst signings in the world.

Guzman was a 'c' FA, right?, so there is no comp even with the early signing. Vinny, though, was a Type A, so washington essentially traded a #2 pick (they will be too high for a #1, I think), which seems like a lot.

Personally, I think the vizquel signing was much worst.

Edit: Guzman was a 'b', not a 'c'. I have no idea what happens when a team signs multiple players, though I assume it is a first come first serve system for doling out the draft picks.

TheRockCT · 11-17-2004, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

Now that they're making moves, when are they going to decide on a name already?

G.W. being back in town has apparently hampered their name-creating ability.

CMH · 11-17-2004, 09:36 AM

Just perfect. Lets raise payroll by about 20 million and start spending it on garbage.

Brick · 11-17-2004, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

There isn't hardly any buzz (from what I've seen) in Washington over this team...

Other than the 26,000 people interested in season tickets.

Mike D · 11-17-2004, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Brick

Other than the 26,000 people interested in season tickets.

Well, yeah, other then them.

abailey3313 · 11-17-2004, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Brick

Other than the 26,000 people interested in season tickets.

Buzz as far as people talking about it, and being overly excited about it.

Realistically though, there are reasons there isn't much excitement. There's no Washington merchandise to purchase, and even more over, it's the middle of football season, and Washington is a football city through and through. Even in Baltimore, people are more interested in the Ravens (boo) than the Orioles (yay).

Anytime a team moves to a new city, there's going to be some kind of stir. Season tickets will sell, because if you don't get them now, you'll be sitting on a waiting list. And any diehard baseball lover would love to have tickets to an inaugural season for a relocated team.

But in general, the excitement level could be higher.

But once a team name (Nationals) is made official, that will probably all change. It's impossible to market the team right now, but that'll change.

Green & Gold Heart · 11-17-2004, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by attackemu

Oh, the joy of knowing Vinny Castilla won't be back!

Don't let any of those flaky Rockies fans hear you say that...

andjbock · 11-17-2004, 12:56 PM

I think they did this because they need some kind of established nams on the roster to appeal to their new fans. Plue they would not have been able to lure many players this early in FA unless big $ were involved. The deals aren't that outrageous. $4mm+ for a decent SS is not too bad. He can bat lead off, run a little, and play D. Castilla, I don't know why they signed him. I know why he signed but no the opposite.

11-17-2004, 01:11 AM	#3
TheRockCT All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: TN Posts: 1,083	Yeah, Guzman I can understand (not for over 4 million per though) when you have Maicer Izturis or Jamey Carroll or some other nobody at SS, but Vinny? At age 37 and outside of Coors Field he'll be back to .250 with 20 homers and 60 RBI's. And that's expensive for those stats and that age. __________________ GM, Vermont Emperor Penguins - POTD POTD Champions: 2011, 2012, 2013 GM, Monterrey Aztecs* - NABA *NABA Champions: 2013

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benchwarmer Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 1,461	I like signings, just not the money he gave them. Guzman isn't that bad of a player. Castilla...well, cant hurt the team any more, can he? Last edited by benchwarmer; 11-17-2004 at 01:15 AM.

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11-17-2004, 12:52 AM	#1
TheRockCT All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: TN Posts: 1,083	Washington Expos Pick Up Castilla / Guzman 3B Vinny Castilla signs for $6.2 million over 2 years, and SS Christian Guzman signs for $16.8 million over 4 years..... http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1924347 __________________ GM, Vermont Emperor Penguins - POTD POTD Champions: 2011, 2012, 2013 GM, Monterrey Aztecs* - NABA *NABA Champions: 2013

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11-17-2004, 01:30 AM	#5
knuckler Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,347	Guzman is a pathetic offensive player and up until this year was a very mediocre defender. His OBP has hovered right around .300 for three straight years. 4.2 mil for four years for that. Yuck.

11-17-2004, 01:47 AM	#7
rangers85 All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Fort Worth, TX...home of the mighty TCU Horned Frogs Posts: 909	Wow, I'm trying to figure out since when it takes over 4 mil a year for 4 years to sign a career .685 OPS player like Guzman. 2001 is the only good season Guzman has had out of his 6 years and even then that was his only year with an OPS over .700 posting a .814

11-17-2004, 08:47 AM	#11
abailey3313 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,718	The money they gave these guys is way too much, but moving to a new city requires you to sign someone, just to show that there's effort being made. There isn't hardly any buzz (from what I've seen) in Washington over this team, and adding Castilla and Guzman won't likely change that. But at the very least, it's a step in the right direction (not necessarily towards competing, but towards being active, which Montreal typically wasn't). __________________

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11-17-2004, 08:52 AM	#13
Joshv02 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: , " Posts: 3,082	These are both essentially avg players signed at close to avg money, though Guzman was a little high. I wouldn't do the deal, but they arne't the worst signings in the world. Guzman was a 'c' FA, right?, so there is no comp even with the early signing. Vinny, though, was a Type A, so washington essentially traded a #2 pick (they will be too high for a #1, I think), which seems like a lot. Personally, I think the vizquel signing was much worst. Edit: Guzman was a 'b', not a 'c'. I have no idea what happens when a team signs multiple players, though I assume it is a first come first serve system for doling out the draft picks. __________________ Brookline Maccabees. RIP Last edited by Joshv02; 11-17-2004 at 09:07 AM.

11-17-2004, 09:36 AM	#15
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	Just perfect. Lets raise payroll by about 20 million and start spending it on garbage.

11-17-2004, 12:56 PM	#20
andjbock Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Somerville, MA, USA Bats: Right Throws: Left Posts: 3,640	I think they did this because they need some kind of established nams on the roster to appeal to their new fans. Plue they would not have been able to lure many players this early in FA unless big $ were involved. The deals aren't that outrageous. $4mm+ for a decent SS is not too bad. He can bat lead off, run a little, and play D. Castilla, I don't know why they signed him. I know why he signed but no the opposite.