Need help with a pitching prospect...

BigDuVall · 01-10-2004, 11:47 PM

Edwin Yan:
http://www.pbleague.com/league/p1890.html

He's an 'A' duration as a MR, but I would like him to be a SP without losing any ability. Will the minors work for that, if he's lined up to be a SP? Usually, ST just screws up my players, unless I leave them all at '5'.

joncarlos · 01-11-2004, 01:00 AM

I'm pretty sure the only way to convert RP to SP is through Spring Training. He's quite a player, I might be hesitant to mess him up. Think of how nice it would be to have 100+ innings of great bullpen work - you could slot him into setup1 and MR3 roles and he could probably handle it fine.

HolyCow98 · 01-11-2004, 03:16 AM

Yeah, as far as pitchers go, the only way to get him to start gaining SP endurance is through Spring Training. (Unless you edit him)...(boo...thats no fun..lol.

Position players can learn position in the minors as I'm sure you know...but pitchers can't....

Cowboys3356 · 01-11-2004, 12:01 PM

I wouldn't do anything to him. Just be happy that you have a potential future Hall of Famer in the bullpen who can be great for years to come!

Old Man · 01-11-2004, 03:10 PM

Would I convert him to a starter? Sure the risks are there but the gains can also be rewarding.
Things to consider:
Look over your club, do you need starting pitching? If you do, take a chance. Better yet if you have a glut of MR, take a chance on some of them.
Is the player better suited as a bullpen pitcher? For that I take a look at his splits, if he is much better against lefty's or righty make he is better being in relief.
Age factor. The older the players get the less luck I get converting them. This may not be the case for everyone. just my experiences.
Again age factor for duration. Depending on the type of league, a "E" duration SP may not be good enough. All my SP converts have always been "E" in duration. To get them to a "D" will take luck during the year or another ST or 2 to get his duration up to a "D". Again this does not always happen and talent hits from this can also happen. Chances you take.
Also most of my converts have taken a ratings hit of some sort, even if they converted. Small ratings hits have been my experience, others may be different.

In my humble opinion, you have a Hall of Fame closer on your hands. Best of luck!

maddog24g · 01-11-2004, 09:07 PM

He's only has 2 pitches. He'll definately have more success as a reliever.

theREDdoor28 · 01-11-2004, 09:23 PM

How can that skinny guy have an E for speed?

Crapshoot · 01-11-2004, 09:46 PM

I'd let it ride - while Im not a big fan of wasting that kind of talent in the bullpen, he looks like 100 innings + done well - that's useful.

potatoman · 01-11-2004, 10:03 PM

I think he'd do better in the pen also...

BigDuVall · 01-11-2004, 11:33 PM

Thanks for the suggestions. I think I'm leaving him in the bullpen. I do need some SPs, but I'm not willing to take the chance on losing ratings and/or talent.

cknox0723 · 01-12-2004, 09:57 PM

Count me as one of the dissenters, I guess.
After looking over your team, I'd definitely convert the guy (with 2007 in mind, I presume). As it stands now, your only are W. Cameron and Ben Sheets, and Sheets will be a free agent after the year. So will Fossum, your #3 guy. I'd personally non-tender Asencio, whose price will probably outweigh his production, and Wheatland is a giant sucking void at the end of your rotation.
So I say give the B.K. Kim idea a shot, and hope it works better than the Danny Graves permutation.

Craig

joncarlos · 01-13-2004, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by maddog24g
He's only has 2 pitches. He'll definately have more success as a reliever.

I think pitches are just eye candy. Then again, does the NUMBER of pitches actually matter?

Brian · 01-14-2004, 03:52 PM

Since his volecity is already 11 I'd take 5 from that to try to convert him to SP. But I like to take that chance with players otherwise think of changing his role to closer. He'll be a stud were ever he pitchers.

stevew · 01-15-2004, 03:54 AM

What are you doing taking an MR that high in the draft? 10th overall is a bit high IMO....unless there were like no starters available.

And heck, Id prob try to convert him too.

chinaski · 02-20-2004, 04:25 PM

just came across this thread in researching player conversion.

I see you converted him too a SP, did he lose anything in the process?

jimofdanorth · 03-10-2004, 03:31 AM

I had a closer with similar stats. I also had a limited payroll, marginal starters and plenty of relievers. I sent him thru spring training raising stamina to 15 and the other 5 to SP new position.
He took a hit in velocity, dropping 2 points but came out with a duration of C while maintaining his 5 star rating. His trade value increased so much I ended up trading him and was looking forward to seeing how he would do but unfortunately he tore a bicep muscle 2 weeks later and was out for the season.
In general I don't mess with spring training though because it will kick you more than kiss you.

KurtBevacqua · 03-10-2004, 01:59 PM

I'm missing something here. The guy already has an E rating as a starter. You don't need to chuck up 5 ST points to convert him, he's already converted. Getting that initial endurance rating is the key. Now you can throw a couple ST points to boost the stamina. You seem to be getting 6 innings a game out of him. I think a good starter is always worth more than a good reliever. Where would you want your best pitcher, throwing 200 innings a year as a starter or throwing 80 innings a year as a reliever?

Now if you already have a fairly deep rotation and a glaring need in the bullpen, then by all meand keep him there. But if you need another starter then I'd go with this guy.

BigDuVall · 11-17-2004, 07:11 PM

Let me go back to this. This was forever ago, but some people had questions. I ended up trading him during FA, and the new GM converted him to SP in ST. That's where he got an 'E' duration for SP, he didn't have one before. Since then, the league moved to v6, and I've retired from that league.

01-10-2004, 11:47 PM	#1
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joncarlos All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2003 Location: Pittsburgh PA Posts: 693	I'm pretty sure the only way to convert RP to SP is through Spring Training. He's quite a player, I might be hesitant to mess him up. Think of how nice it would be to have 100+ innings of great bullpen work - you could slot him into setup1 and MR3 roles and he could probably handle it fine. __________________ <a href =http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35167> 2003 Pirates Regular Season </a> <a href=http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40941> 2003 Pirates playoffs and off-season </a> <a href=http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44242> 2004 Pirates Season </a> <a href=http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47658> 2004 Pirates Playoffs and Off-season </a> <a href=http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48039>2005 Pirates Regular Season </a>

01-11-2004, 03:10 PM	#5
Old Man Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 464	Would I convert him to a starter? Sure the risks are there but the gains can also be rewarding. Things to consider: Look over your club, do you need starting pitching? If you do, take a chance. Better yet if you have a glut of MR, take a chance on some of them. Is the player better suited as a bullpen pitcher? For that I take a look at his splits, if he is much better against lefty's or righty make he is better being in relief. Age factor. The older the players get the less luck I get converting them. This may not be the case for everyone. just my experiences. Again age factor for duration. Depending on the type of league, a "E" duration SP may not be good enough. All my SP converts have always been "E" in duration. To get them to a "D" will take luck during the year or another ST or 2 to get his duration up to a "D". Again this does not always happen and talent hits from this can also happen. Chances you take. Also most of my converts have taken a ratings hit of some sort, even if they converted. Small ratings hits have been my experience, others may be different. In my humble opinion, you have a Hall of Fame closer on your hands. Best of luck! __________________ Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983 "All the fat guys watch me and say to their wives, 'See, there's a fat guy doing okay. Bring me another beer.'" -Mickey Lolich

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theREDdoor28 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Paintsville, KY Posts: 238	How can that skinny guy have an E for speed? __________________ <CENTER> Disrepute - DVD Collection - eBay - GWB2004</CENTER>

01-11-2004, 09:46 PM	#8
Crapshoot Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: watching: DArwin's missing link in action Posts: 3,112	I'd let it ride - while Im not a big fan of wasting that kind of talent in the bullpen, he looks like 100 innings + done well - that's useful. __________________ Senior Senor Member of the OOTP Boards Pittsburgh Playmates- OTBL

01-11-2004, 03:16 AM	#3
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	Yeah, as far as pitchers go, the only way to get him to start gaining SP endurance is through Spring Training. (Unless you edit him)...(boo...thats no fun..lol. Position players can learn position in the minors as I'm sure you know...but pitchers can't.... __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

01-11-2004, 12:01 PM	#4
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,572	I wouldn't do anything to him. Just be happy that you have a potential future Hall of Famer in the bullpen who can be great for years to come!

01-11-2004, 09:07 PM	#6
maddog24g Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 47	He's only has 2 pitches. He'll definately have more success as a reliever.

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potatoman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,410 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I think he'd do better in the pen also... __________________ GFBL - Storm - 5 seasons - 500 - 310 New Jersey Nighthawks (1227-717) Last 5 seasons 2011: 118-44 2012: 100-62 2013: 111-51 2014: 106-56 2015: 108-54 OTBA Champions: 2008, 2010,2011

01-11-2004, 11:33 PM	#10
BigDuVall Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: North Augusta, SC Posts: 84	Thanks for the suggestions. I think I'm leaving him in the bullpen. I do need some SPs, but I'm not willing to take the chance on losing ratings and/or talent. __________________ HFTC - Florida Marlins

01-12-2004, 09:57 PM	#11
cknox0723 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 1,957	Count me as one of the dissenters, I guess. After looking over your team, I'd definitely convert the guy (with 2007 in mind, I presume). As it stands now, your only are W. Cameron and Ben Sheets, and Sheets will be a free agent after the year. So will Fossum, your #3 guy. I'd personally non-tender Asencio, whose price will probably outweigh his production, and Wheatland is a giant sucking void at the end of your rotation. So I say give the B.K. Kim idea a shot, and hope it works better than the Danny Graves permutation. Craig

01-14-2004, 03:52 PM	#13
Brian Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Indiana Posts: 103	Since his volecity is already 11 I'd take 5 from that to try to convert him to SP. But I like to take that chance with players otherwise think of changing his role to closer. He'll be a stud were ever he pitchers. __________________ MLML Dodgers LOHO Dodgers

01-15-2004, 03:54 AM	#14
stevew Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 125	What are you doing taking an MR that high in the draft? 10th overall is a bit high IMO....unless there were like no starters available. And heck, Id prob try to convert him too. Last edited by stevew; 01-15-2004 at 03:57 AM.

02-20-2004, 04:25 PM	#15
chinaski Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: end of the bar Posts: 296	just came across this thread in researching player conversion. I see you converted him too a SP, did he lose anything in the process?

03-10-2004, 03:31 AM	#16
jimofdanorth Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: minnesota Posts: 1	I had a closer with similar stats. I also had a limited payroll, marginal starters and plenty of relievers. I sent him thru spring training raising stamina to 15 and the other 5 to SP new position. He took a hit in velocity, dropping 2 points but came out with a duration of C while maintaining his 5 star rating. His trade value increased so much I ended up trading him and was looking forward to seeing how he would do but unfortunately he tore a bicep muscle 2 weeks later and was out for the season. In general I don't mess with spring training though because it will kick you more than kiss you.

03-10-2004, 01:59 PM	#17
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	I'm missing something here. The guy already has an E rating as a starter. You don't need to chuck up 5 ST points to convert him, he's already converted. Getting that initial endurance rating is the key. Now you can throw a couple ST points to boost the stamina. You seem to be getting 6 innings a game out of him. I think a good starter is always worth more than a good reliever. Where would you want your best pitcher, throwing 200 innings a year as a starter or throwing 80 innings a year as a reliever? Now if you already have a fairly deep rotation and a glaring need in the bullpen, then by all meand keep him there. But if you need another starter then I'd go with this guy. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

11-17-2004, 07:11 PM	#18
BigDuVall Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: North Augusta, SC Posts: 84	Let me go back to this. This was forever ago, but some people had questions. I ended up trading him during FA, and the new GM converted him to SP in ST. That's where he got an 'E' duration for SP, he didn't have one before. Since then, the league moved to v6, and I've retired from that league. __________________ HFTC - Florida Marlins