NBA gurus, please explain this one.

Déjà Bru · 11-19-2020, 11:38 AM

From an article I am reading:

". . . [Knicks President Leon] Rose was putting the final touches on his first personnel move since taking over eight months ago as team president of the Knicks. It was a minor move, sending the No. 27 and 38 picks in the draft to the Utah Jazz to move forward four spots to No. 23, also receiving the draft rights to a player who will never play in the NBA, 2008 second-round pick Ante Tomic as a trade chip."

Why would the draft rights to a 33-year-old player who appears to have no intention, or perhaps capability, of playing in the NBA be something that basketball executives are bargaining with and trading 12 years later?

dkgo · 11-19-2020, 01:04 PM

Every trade requires sending something. Draft rights to a player count as something even if he will never play.

So now if another team is looking to dump a player's contract and the knicks are able to absorb it and want the player, they can trade those draft rights instead of one of their future second round picks or the minimum cash amount.

Westheim · 11-19-2020, 01:07 PM

Trading draft picks is an abhorrence! It must be burned with fire before it lays eggs!

That crap's coming to MLB, too, I bet.

I'm sorry, I'm completely off the rails again.

Boomcoach · 11-19-2020, 01:17 PM

I remember a player, several years back, unretiring, signing a 10-day contract, so he could be part of a trade deal, then re-retiring. Everything done via a fax machine and he made 6 figures out of it.

I think this comes out of the NBA's very restrictive "all trades must be completely even in salary" requirement, which is also why you see so many more multi-player and multi-team trades in the NBA than you see in other sports.

Déjà Bru · 11-19-2020, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dkgo

Every trade requires sending something. Draft rights to a player count as something even if he will never play.

So now if another team is looking to dump a player's contract and the knicks are able to absorb it and want the player, they can trade those draft rights instead of one of their future second round picks or the minimum cash amount.

This goes part of the way there. What is still puzzling me is how the draft rights to this particular player have any value whatsoever to be included in trade negotiations.

dkgo · 11-19-2020, 01:31 PM

It doesn't matter who the player is. The fact that they are draft rights means the Knicks now have the option to trade essentially nothing in a deal. I'm guessing they didn't have any like that before this

dkgo · 11-19-2020, 01:49 PM

And as youve realized this isnt really a valuable asset. Its actually the least valuable asset a team can have, but teams are always trying to get that extra nickel in a deal.

Déjà Bru · 11-19-2020, 02:00 PM

It's almost like a placeholder, or a nod to "balancing" the trade for appearance's sake.

11-19-2020, 11:38 AM	#1
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 11,741	NBA gurus, please explain this one. From an article I am reading: ". . . [Knicks President Leon] Rose was putting the final touches on his first personnel move since taking over eight months ago as team president of the Knicks. It was a minor move, sending the No. 27 and 38 picks in the draft to the Utah Jazz to move forward four spots to No. 23, also receiving the draft rights to a player who will never play in the NBA, 2008 second-round pick Ante Tomic as a trade chip." Why would the draft rights to a 33-year-old player who appears to have no intention, or perhaps capability, of playing in the NBA be something that basketball executives are bargaining with and trading 12 years later? __________________ - Bru

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Boomcoach All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 846	I remember a player, several years back, unretiring, signing a 10-day contract, so he could be part of a trade deal, then re-retiring. Everything done via a fax machine and he made 6 figures out of it. I think this comes out of the NBA's very restrictive "all trades must be completely even in salary" requirement, which is also why you see so many more multi-player and multi-team trades in the NBA than you see in other sports. __________________

11-19-2020, 02:00 PM	#8
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 11,741	It's almost like a placeholder, or a nod to "balancing" the trade for appearance's sake. __________________ - Bru

11-19-2020, 01:04 PM	#2
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	Every trade requires sending something. Draft rights to a player count as something even if he will never play. So now if another team is looking to dump a player's contract and the knicks are able to absorb it and want the player, they can trade those draft rights instead of one of their future second round picks or the minimum cash amount.

11-19-2020, 01:31 PM	#6
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	It doesn't matter who the player is. The fact that they are draft rights means the Knicks now have the option to trade essentially nothing in a deal. I'm guessing they didn't have any like that before this

11-19-2020, 01:49 PM	#7
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	And as youve realized this isnt really a valuable asset. Its actually the least valuable asset a team can have, but teams are always trying to get that extra nickel in a deal.