Um anyone seen this???

delusional · 10-21-2004, 02:32 AM

Well this is new.
For one, I have had many of the phantom ratings drops on a few of my important players for no reason in the league I am in. Pretty much complete bad luck.

Now this happens. I never seen this at all before either.

Part A
Have a SP 5 star (blue) prospect. 25yrs old ( We will call him Bob )
8 10 8 talent ratings.
Scouting report says " he clearly possesses immese talent. Looks to be a top starter for many years. Great instincts and determination".

Then our league sims the start of our new season ( 10 in game days ).
I go back over all my good players and prospects to check if they increased a # or dropped.

====================
Part B
Now the funny part. Bob turns 26yrs old during this sim so he converts to the gold star. A 1 gold star player! None of his ratings or talent #s changed. He is still rated 8 10 8 overall!
His scouting report now says

"Bob is destiend to be a career minor leaguers at best. He just is not a big league pitcher. Bob has good stuff but can become overly conscious of throwing strikes, and by forcing the issue, gives up way too many hits. ALthough he will give up the occasinonal HR, he is pretty good at keeping bals in the field of play. He has good control and can usually put his pitchers right where he wants them. He is not a big strikeout pitcher; batters generally get the wood on the ball against Bob. "

Anyone see a problem here?!?!?! He wasn't injured, he pitched 2 games in this first sim and is 0-1 3.00 era 15IP.

I just can not understand how he goes from Part A to Part B in one sim that he pitched well in, had no injuries and no talent increased or decrease. Just had a bday from age 25 to 26.

Jdubs15 · 10-21-2004, 02:36 AM

ummmmm... cause blue stars are based on talent and gold stars are ability? Are you seriously asking this question right now?

delusional · 10-21-2004, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jdubs15

ummmmm... cause blue stars are based on talent and gold stars are ability? Are you seriously asking this question right now?

yes I am asking this because I have never seen this happen.
No reason to sound like a know it all dick.

Kelly J Delaney · 10-21-2004, 02:46 AM

jdubs15, you DO sound like a dick

Jdubs15 · 10-21-2004, 03:07 AM

In all fairness, I am a dick.

But I didn't know if you were joking or what... I figured anyone who played a OOTP game knows how the star system works at this point.

Slackker · 10-21-2004, 06:21 AM

I don't know JDub, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, and take his word that he is indeed a.... so anyway..

I agree with him, though. It just seemed kinda fishy, if you will. The post was too specific about the game, and seemed sarcastic to me. The 25 to 26 change coinciding with the blue/gold change was mentioned.. and.. blah. Just.. I can see why JDub thought it was in jest.

Anyhow.. yes, when a player turns 26 he gets gold stars instead of blue, if he doesn't have 'em already. As JDub mentioned.. gold stars are a comparison to others at his position based on his ability ratings - whereas blue stars are the rating of player potential, talent ratings. That's all prospects really are, anyway. Potential.

Players ratings still fluctuate after 26 though, so don't can the guy just because he's only one gold star. Blue stars are fairly handy to look at, and usually reasonably accurate.. but gold stars are not your friend if you base your whole player evaluation on how many stars someone has. I recommend only using it as a quick reference tool - like if you need a 3B *now* who can put up .300 / 30 / 120 every year.. don't bother searching through 1 star guys. Aside from that the only good reason to even leave the stars on is because they ARE fairly accurate when determining how much a player will want. 5 star guys generally want more than 3, which want more than 3, etc. Not in every case, but (random guesstimate with no statistical basis) probably 90% do.

scotto313 · 10-21-2004, 09:08 AM

This has happened to me many more times than I can count. Remember that scouts are not infallible. It helps to remember that there is supposed to be a human factor in this game. Keep this in mind when you get a one star player that turns into a stud. It is supposed to go both ways.

delusional · 10-21-2004, 12:54 PM

Yea i just didnt realize there was that much of a drop off when he hit 26.
He is only a 1 6 5 on the overall but a 8 10 8 on talent. Be nice if he would start to develop. Pitchers take to long IMHO.

Thanks for clearing it up guys.

Elendil · 10-21-2004, 01:43 PM

I often bring up talented-yet-undeveloped 26 year olds up to the majors. He may do poorly for a couple of months, but he will develop faster at that age in the majors than in the minors, and should become a very high quality player in a year or two.

DaveHorn · 10-21-2004, 01:53 PM

There is nothing fishy here. His gold star rating is totally dependent upon the player evalution AI levels your league is using. Chances are they are using stats from the current year and passed year, if this player has not stats his gold star rating is going to be pathetic until he start getting some stats at the major league level.

sporr · 10-21-2004, 02:10 PM

To sum up, the 5 blue stars are based on his 8 10 8 talent in relation to all other prospects in the league. His 1 gold star is based on his 1 6 5 actual ratings in relation to all other starting pitcher actual ratings in the game.

ctorg · 10-21-2004, 02:11 PM

There's something very poetic about a thread called Um anyone seen this??? being posted by a guy called delusional.

Yeah, this is something I don't like in OOTP. I believe that as a guy approaches gold stardom, the blue stars should gradually move toward what his gold star rating would be.

So if the guy is 19 years old, he is given blue stars based on his talent entirely.

At 25, it should be based not only on talent, but on how far he is developed, since he probably won't go a whole lot further.

delusional · 10-21-2004, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctorg

At 25, it should be based not only on talent, but on how far he is developed, since he probably won't go a whole lot further.

exactly...i notice too many pitchers never develop...end up having alot of 9 2 6 or 8 7 3 overall type pitchers...its a pain

Henry · 10-21-2004, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctorg

I believe that as a guy approaches gold stardom, the blue stars should gradually move toward what his gold star rating would be.

I like that idea

H

10-21-2004, 02:32 AM	#1
delusional Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 252	Um anyone seen this??? Well this is new. For one, I have had many of the phantom ratings drops on a few of my important players for no reason in the league I am in. Pretty much complete bad luck. Now this happens. I never seen this at all before either. Part A Have a SP 5 star (blue) prospect. 25yrs old ( We will call him Bob ) 8 10 8 talent ratings. Scouting report says " he clearly possesses immese talent. Looks to be a top starter for many years. Great instincts and determination". Then our league sims the start of our new season ( 10 in game days ). I go back over all my good players and prospects to check if they increased a # or dropped. ==================== Part B Now the funny part. Bob turns 26yrs old during this sim so he converts to the gold star. A 1 gold star player! None of his ratings or talent #s changed. He is still rated 8 10 8 overall! His scouting report now says "Bob is destiend to be a career minor leaguers at best. He just is not a big league pitcher. Bob has good stuff but can become overly conscious of throwing strikes, and by forcing the issue, gives up way too many hits. ALthough he will give up the occasinonal HR, he is pretty good at keeping bals in the field of play. He has good control and can usually put his pitchers right where he wants them. He is not a big strikeout pitcher; batters generally get the wood on the ball against Bob. " Anyone see a problem here?!?!?! He wasn't injured, he pitched 2 games in this first sim and is 0-1 3.00 era 15IP. I just can not understand how he goes from Part A to Part B in one sim that he pitched well in, had no injuries and no talent increased or decrease. Just had a bday from age 25 to 26. __________________ USBA - Philadelphia Mavericks t

10-21-2004, 02:46 AM	#4
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10-21-2004, 12:54 PM	#8
delusional Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 252	Yea i just didnt realize there was that much of a drop off when he hit 26. He is only a 1 6 5 on the overall but a 8 10 8 on talent. Be nice if he would start to develop. Pitchers take to long IMHO. Thanks for clearing it up guys. __________________ USBA - Philadelphia Mavericks t

10-21-2004, 01:43 PM	#9
Elendil Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the dynasty forum Posts: 2,318	I often bring up talented-yet-undeveloped 26 year olds up to the majors. He may do poorly for a couple of months, but he will develop faster at that age in the majors than in the minors, and should become a very high quality player in a year or two. __________________ Heaven is kicking back with a double Talisker and a churchwarden stuffed with latakia.

10-21-2004, 01:53 PM	#10
DaveHorn All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,146	There is nothing fishy here. His gold star rating is totally dependent upon the player evalution AI levels your league is using. Chances are they are using stats from the current year and passed year, if this player has not stats his gold star rating is going to be pathetic until he start getting some stats at the major league level. __________________ Dave HFTC Commish

10-21-2004, 02:36 AM	#2
Jdubs15 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 46	ummmmm... cause blue stars are based on talent and gold stars are ability? Are you seriously asking this question right now?

10-21-2004, 03:07 AM	#5
Jdubs15 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 46	In all fairness, I am a dick. But I didn't know if you were joking or what... I figured anyone who played a OOTP game knows how the star system works at this point.

10-21-2004, 06:21 AM	#6
Slackker All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 777	I don't know JDub, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, and take his word that he is indeed a.... so anyway.. I agree with him, though. It just seemed kinda fishy, if you will. The post was too specific about the game, and seemed sarcastic to me. The 25 to 26 change coinciding with the blue/gold change was mentioned.. and.. blah. Just.. I can see why JDub thought it was in jest. Anyhow.. yes, when a player turns 26 he gets gold stars instead of blue, if he doesn't have 'em already. As JDub mentioned.. gold stars are a comparison to others at his position based on his ability ratings - whereas blue stars are the rating of player potential, talent ratings. That's all prospects really are, anyway. Potential. Players ratings still fluctuate after 26 though, so don't can the guy just because he's only one gold star. Blue stars are fairly handy to look at, and usually reasonably accurate.. but gold stars are not your friend if you base your whole player evaluation on how many stars someone has. I recommend only using it as a quick reference tool - like if you need a 3B now who can put up .300 / 30 / 120 every year.. don't bother searching through 1 star guys. Aside from that the only good reason to even leave the stars on is because they ARE fairly accurate when determining how much a player will want. 5 star guys generally want more than 3, which want more than 3, etc. Not in every case, but (random guesstimate with no statistical basis) probably 90% do.

10-21-2004, 09:08 AM	#7
scotto313 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,220	This has happened to me many more times than I can count. Remember that scouts are not infallible. It helps to remember that there is supposed to be a human factor in this game. Keep this in mind when you get a one star player that turns into a stud. It is supposed to go both ways.

10-21-2004, 02:10 PM	#11
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	To sum up, the 5 blue stars are based on his 8 10 8 talent in relation to all other prospects in the league. His 1 gold star is based on his 1 6 5 actual ratings in relation to all other starting pitcher actual ratings in the game.

10-21-2004, 02:11 PM	#12
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	There's something very poetic about a thread called Um anyone seen this??? being posted by a guy called delusional. Yeah, this is something I don't like in OOTP. I believe that as a guy approaches gold stardom, the blue stars should gradually move toward what his gold star rating would be. So if the guy is 19 years old, he is given blue stars based on his talent entirely. At 25, it should be based not only on talent, but on how far he is developed, since he probably won't go a whole lot further. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils