PC Gamer (86 out of 100)

Mariner and Giants Fan · 11-23-2004, 10:27 AM

Could someone please tell me which PC Gamer (month) this review was done in? I have the past three PC Gamers and did not see it these.

Thanks.

Dagrims · 11-23-2004, 11:01 AM

Sadly, it got only an 80% here. Markus is described as a "kid who really likes baseball and programming", and Steve "Kaffrey" is introduced.

This was also interesting:

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The big flaw: AI in the computer's trades. Sometimes, the trades just make no sense, and computer-controlled teams seem too eager to trade stars for shady prospects.

My, how times change.

The Interloper · 11-23-2004, 11:51 AM

We can export stats for triples or doubles from either side of the plate for switch hitters? Hmmm.

William4192 · 11-23-2004, 11:55 AM

OOTP is tops in its genre. When they rate the game do they compare to a game like Madden? I think Madden should be compared to games in its Genre, thus an A grade (90-100%). OOTP is tops in its genre, if you include sim games, I've heard CM is better so a B+ or A- sounds better to me.

William4192 · 11-23-2004, 11:57 AM

How does BM get a better grade than OOTP? That is dumb. They just lost all credibility with me.

Steve Kuffrey · 11-23-2004, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by William4192

How does BM get a better grade than OOTP? That is dumb. They just lost all credibility with me.

Yikes

sporr · 11-23-2004, 12:39 PM

Steve Kaffrey and the OOTP Kid...

SSG Troyer · 11-23-2004, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagrims

Sadly, it got only an 80% here. Markus is described as a "kid who really likes baseball and programming", and Steve "Kaffrey" is introduced.

This was also interesting:

My, how times change.

That's a review from OOTP1 or 2, back in 2000. There was a more current one this year, I think July or August ... ???

Dagrims · 11-23-2004, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SSG Troyer

That's a review from OOTP1 or 2, back in 2000.

<------- nods knowingly.

ctorg · 11-23-2004, 01:34 PM

I don't know about OOTP1, but OOTP2 was definitely not as good as Mogul. With OOTP3, there was a definite challege, and by OOTP4, OOTP was the clear leader.

William4192 · 11-23-2004, 01:46 PM

I thought it was the current verision, Mogul rocked for a long time. OOTP 4 was good, 5 won me over.

ctorg · 11-23-2004, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by William4192

I thought it was the current verision, Mogul rocked for a long time. OOTP 4 was good, 5 won me over.

For me, the increased number of stats in OOTP was always a draw. Mogul never really expanded a whole lot. It was just slightly refined versions of pretty much the same thing. OOTP, meanwhile, made leaps between versions. Once OOTP got to the point where it was relatively bug-free (and yes, by comparison, OOTP6 is relatively bug-free), I gravitated towards it over Mogul.

William4192 · 11-23-2004, 02:12 PM

I tend to agree, Ctorg, but I tend to stick with things I'm used to and I was running a Mogul league on top of it. When they went to points, that was my breaking point. I like the financial stuff better in Mogul, but you'd have an MVP one season and then he sucked. It was weird, almost random.

Blackeye · 11-23-2004, 10:39 PM

The issue of PC Gamer magazine that gave OOTP an 86% was October 2004.
A couple of PRO quotes from the review are: "Out of the Park 6.0 is a dream experience for this kind of hardcore fan." "It's about realism on a grand scale, and OOTP covers every conceivable element of managing a big-league franchise. It perfectly captures the feel of the sport and adds a twist of modern Moneyball." The only CON quote is: "the only minor problem is with the AI making bone-headed moves in terms of roster management and trading," but it goes on to say, "but those issues have already been fixed with a patch."

The July issue of PC Gamer had a review of Baseball Mogul 2004 and gave it a 67%. Basically saying, "it's time for the developers to inject some new life into it.

I played both Baseball Mogul and Football Mogul back around 1999 and 2000 (I don't remember what versions they were) and didn't like them. Being a veteran of the Championship Manager series they lacked depth. I am surprised that some of you guys on these boards here actually liked BM. Prior to BM I used to play Baseball for Windows with Ernie Harwell (or whatever it was called) and liked it better. I never actually played through an entire season. I only played individual games and with Ernie doing the play-by-play, even though it was canned, was nice.

I am not much of a baseball fan anymore but I do like text-based sports games. I have thought about either getting OOTP or Diamond Mind baseball for the past couple of years and with my five year addiction to Everquest finally over I chose OOTP on the strength of the review in PC Gamer. I am glad that I did, I really think OOTP is great.

Vris · 11-23-2004, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackeye

I am surprised that some of you guys on these boards here actually liked BM.

The great Dagrims would know what to do....

Dagrims · 11-23-2004, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Vris

The great Dagrims would know what to do....

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William4192 · 11-24-2004, 10:21 AM

Well, I started text based sims with Baseball Mogul. I stumbled on to it in an EB (that had a pamphlet about it). It was the first ver. of Mogul and I'd never played anything like it before.

11-23-2004, 10:27 AM	#1
Mariner and Giants Fan All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Port Townsend, WA. Posts: 1,264	PC Gamer (86 out of 100) Could someone please tell me which PC Gamer (month) this review was done in? I have the past three PC Gamers and did not see it these. Thanks. __________________ Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"

11-23-2004, 11:55 AM	#4
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	OOTP is tops in its genre. When they rate the game do they compare to a game like Madden? I think Madden should be compared to games in its Genre, thus an A grade (90-100%). OOTP is tops in its genre, if you include sim games, I've heard CM is better so a B+ or A- sounds better to me. __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

11-23-2004, 11:57 AM	#5
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	How does BM get a better grade than OOTP? That is dumb. They just lost all credibility with me. __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

11-23-2004, 01:34 PM	#10
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I don't know about OOTP1, but OOTP2 was definitely not as good as Mogul. With OOTP3, there was a definite challege, and by OOTP4, OOTP was the clear leader. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

11-23-2004, 01:46 PM	#11
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	I thought it was the current verision, Mogul rocked for a long time. OOTP 4 was good, 5 won me over. __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

11-23-2004, 11:51 AM	#3
The Interloper Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The dark recesses of the human mind Posts: 147	We can export stats for triples or doubles from either side of the plate for switch hitters? Hmmm.

11-23-2004, 12:39 PM	#7
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Steve Kaffrey and the OOTP Kid...

11-23-2004, 02:12 PM	#13
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	I tend to agree, Ctorg, but I tend to stick with things I'm used to and I was running a Mogul league on top of it. When they went to points, that was my breaking point. I like the financial stuff better in Mogul, but you'd have an MVP one season and then he sucked. It was weird, almost random. __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

11-23-2004, 10:39 PM	#14
Blackeye Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 32	The issue of PC Gamer magazine that gave OOTP an 86% was October 2004. A couple of PRO quotes from the review are: "Out of the Park 6.0 is a dream experience for this kind of hardcore fan." "It's about realism on a grand scale, and OOTP covers every conceivable element of managing a big-league franchise. It perfectly captures the feel of the sport and adds a twist of modern Moneyball." The only CON quote is: "the only minor problem is with the AI making bone-headed moves in terms of roster management and trading," but it goes on to say, "but those issues have already been fixed with a patch." The July issue of PC Gamer had a review of Baseball Mogul 2004 and gave it a 67%. Basically saying, "it's time for the developers to inject some new life into it. I played both Baseball Mogul and Football Mogul back around 1999 and 2000 (I don't remember what versions they were) and didn't like them. Being a veteran of the Championship Manager series they lacked depth. I am surprised that some of you guys on these boards here actually liked BM. Prior to BM I used to play Baseball for Windows with Ernie Harwell (or whatever it was called) and liked it better. I never actually played through an entire season. I only played individual games and with Ernie doing the play-by-play, even though it was canned, was nice. I am not much of a baseball fan anymore but I do like text-based sports games. I have thought about either getting OOTP or Diamond Mind baseball for the past couple of years and with my five year addiction to Everquest finally over I chose OOTP on the strength of the review in PC Gamer. I am glad that I did, I really think OOTP is great. Last edited by Blackeye; 11-23-2004 at 10:42 PM.

11-24-2004, 10:21 AM	#17
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	Well, I started text based sims with Baseball Mogul. I stumbled on to it in an EB (that had a pamphlet about it). It was the first ver. of Mogul and I'd never played anything like it before. __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com